So the obummercare! oooo, it's a devil in our government!

[magnifier661]

Hence the word "dude who thinks he knows more about the law than the supreme court".



Does a bear shit in the woods?

barfo

Oh please show me the Obama administration's budget then...

 

[magnifier661]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget

Okay now show me where the Obama administration is following this budget?

 

[barfo]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget

Okay now show me where the Obama administration is following this budget?

Well, that was the budget for last fiscal year, so why should they be following it?

And what is your point, anyway? You think this is the first time the country has ever been run on continuing resolutions? And do you think it is the job of the executive branch to pass a budget?

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Well, that was the budget for last fiscal year, so why should they be following it?

And what is your point, anyway? You think this is the first time the country has ever been run on continuing resolutions? And do you think it is the job of the executive branch to pass a budget?

barfo

I'm asking you did he follow that budget?! You have an entire year to review. No "well the year isn't over and this and that" to try and defend him.

And yes it is his duty to be our commander and chief. If his administration isn't following his budget, then it's on him!

 

[barfo]

I'm asking you did he follow that budget?!

No, you asked:

Okay now show me where the Obama administration is following this budget?

The question depends, as so many do, on what the meaning of the word "is" is. But I'm pretty sure it indicates present, not past, tense.

You have an entire year to review.

Ok, I'll get back to you on 10/29/14.

No "well the year isn't over and this and that" to try and defend him.

Right. Now tell me what you are talking about in English, please.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Commander-in-chief, not Commander and Chief.

What does that have to do with the budget anyway? Are you saying he spent too much on the DOD?

barfo

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Commander-in-chief, not Commander and Chief.

What does that have to do with the budget anyway? Are you saying he spent too much on the DOD?

barfo

Homefry, bone up on the facts. DOD is a fraction. In fact a very small fraction. You want to point out excess? Look at the interest on loans..

 

[magnifier661]

No, you asked:



The question depends, as so many do, on what the meaning of the word "is" is. But I'm pretty sure it indicates present, not past, tense.



Ok, I'll get back to you on 10/29/14.



Right. Now tell me what you are talking about in English, please.

barfo

So you believe Obama is doing a stand up job?

 

[barfo]

Homefry, bone up on the facts.

I bone every chance I get.

Is Homefry the new FAMS?

DOD is a fraction. In fact a very small fraction.

Okay, if you say so. Maybe 1/5 is a very small fraction.

You want to point out excess?

No. Do I look like one of those types?

Look at the interest on loans..

Looking... hmm, significantly less than DOD.

barfo

 

[Further]

I wonder why it is that we seem to feel the need to justify our opinions by vilifying those who hold the opposite opinion, or perhaps those who even have some valid concerns about something as impactful as Obamacare. Maybe that wasn't Further's intent here...perhaps he was just being funny or trying to make a point via satire. Whatever the case may be, I think that we're increasingly seeing this dynamic played out in our discussion of politics and religion. If you don't think that the ACA is a great thing for the country, you must be one of those inbred rednecks who wants poor people to die in the streets because they can't get basic health care. If you support the ACA, you're all about building an entitlement society and income redistribution...taking it from those nasty one-percenters and giving to the poor. Man, how about for once just realizing that both sides have some legitimate points to make and that, while the vision of what needs to be done may vary in the extreme, most people are really about wanting things to be better.

Okay, I'll climb down off of my soapbox now. Carry on as usual.

Thank you for looking past my awkward style and trying to understand. You nailed it. I made this post after reading through some threads with opinions that were so harsh and extreme, while also condemning all those that opposed that view, I thought I'd comment on it.

I agree with SPD that Further is one of our brightest posters, and an all around good guy.

Barfo is a good guy, too. No matter what everyone else says about him.

I am a good guy, thanks Denny. Barfo, not so much.

Obama wears no clothes. In the metaphorical sense.

I hope this isn't true. I know it comes off that way at times, but I would say the same about the last several presidents. We have crafted a society that jumps on any perceived frailty of our leaders, and their response is to always act as if they know best and never falter. We do need a leader to break that mold, but I expect the next one that tries will be torn to shreds.

Obama believes he's doing a good job, but the reality is he isn't. The ones working for and supporting him are lying to him, telling him "you are doing a stand up job"

I see the republican congress as purposefully damaging America in order to blame Obama and the democrats in major election cycled. This is a new phenomenon as far as I can tell, beginning sometime early after Obama was elected. I'm not saying Obama is unblemished, he has giant flaws, especially with the NSA debacle. But I love the aim to make certain everyone can have healthcare. I would like a single payer version, but I'm not in charge. Neither you nor I know if this will be a grand slam, a complete failure, or something in between. I understand you have your beliefs, but they don't need to be expressed as if you've (not just you, any of us) seen the future and know the results.

So you believe Obama is doing a stand up job?

I think he's doing pretty well except for the NSA shit.

 

[maxiep]

Bottom line, we deserve the government for which we voted.

Sometimes, people just need to experience the impact of their voting decisions. If people are denied care or have their lives affected by increasing premiums, so be it.

 

[Further]

I surrendered to the temptation to give one of your posts a fair evaluation, regardless of how I feel towards you on a personal level. I see that I made a mistake. Must resist the "View post " option on the ignore feature.

I suggest you resist the temptation next time. I have a feeling my posts will never leave you feeling satisfied.

 

[MarAzul]

Obama is doing to us exactly what he wants done to us

Health Care. Tear down the system including the self insured employer based system and
replace it with a government controlled system. Then you can make the people buy insurance at higher prices with higher deductible and co pays so you can give the healthcare to his supporters which include young women. Progressives win with a continuing supply of satisfied voters. It has nothing to do with improving the system for the self reliant Americans, It redistributes the healthcare dollars spent to achieve his end goal. Basically shift the money spent from the older people to the young adults. The young adults along with most Black people, Jews and immigrants are his supporters, The majority of the older people do not, some even wonder, WTF?

Immigration reforms, same deal.

Carbon tax , same deal. Read the Carbon tax bill he was pushing. It is a huge transfer of wealth to the urban poor. money for new appliances, windows, subsidies, you name it

Check out the goal for age based priority for healthcare spending.

A curve drawn of the current system has the money spent far more on the older population.
I suppose they know they will lose the current young supporters as they age but no problem, gain the support of the young as they come and stay ahead of the curve.

Now is Obama this smart? Fuck no, but he is good with a teleprompter.

Guys like this do the thinking ( his name was originally Auerbach)

http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009/08/ezekiel-emanuel-complete-lives-system.html

 

[jlprk]

Yawn. After the shutdown humiliation, Republicans control the media by returning to previous failed issues like ACA. Don Quixote tilting at windmills. They live to fight, even if they know they will lose.

 

[Denny Crane]

I see the republican congress as purposefully damaging America in order to blame Obama and the democrats in major election cycled. This is a new phenomenon as far as I can tell, beginning sometime early after Obama was elected. I'm not saying Obama is unblemished, he has giant flaws, especially with the NSA debacle. But I love the aim to make certain everyone can have healthcare. I would like a single payer version, but I'm not in charge. Neither you nor I know if this will be a grand slam, a complete failure, or something in between. I understand you have your beliefs, but they don't need to be expressed as if you've (not just you, any of us) seen the future and know the results.

Where have you been? You don't remember Reagan being called "Teflon" because nothing the Democrats threw at him stuck? John Tower? Bork? Clarence Thomas? Reagan's balanced budgets declared DOA and Democrats running up massive deficits? Democrats attaching a tax hike of some kind to every single bit of legislation passed during GHW's term to try to force him to break his "no new taxes" pledge? Clinton was impeached!

Puhleeze.

I think he's doing pretty well except for the NSA shit.

NSA, Drones, Gitmo's still open, we're still in Afghanistan, Benhazi, upstaged by Putin on Syria, unable to get even the Brits to form a coalition of the willing, massive deficits, ballooning interest payments, decimation of medicare (by $716B), stubborn high unemployment, stubborn low GDP growth, a generation of college graduates doomed to live in their parents' basements, employers encouraged to hire < 30 hour per week workers, increased reliance upon government programs to support most of the population, a generation of inner city youth has taken a giant step back from where they were before Obama, etc.

His signature achievement is a terribly unpopular social (ObamaCare) program that has mostly taxed things to mask even higher deficits and otherwise has thrown millions off insurance roles and been a huge debacle.

He has closed the government once, and it only opened for a short while when he blinked and agreed to negotiate with republicans. He has brought the government to the brink other times and has caused our credit rating to be downgraded from AAA to AA+.

What he has proposed would be equally disastrous as ObamaCare and everyone knows it. His sycophants simply won't admit it; the emperor wears no clothes.

Otherwise, he's doing pretty well. And I like him fine as a person, FWIW.

 

[jlprk]

Where have you been? You don't remember Reagan being called "Teflon" because nothing the Democrats threw at him stuck? John Tower? Bork? Clarence Thomas? Reagan's balanced budgets declared DOA and Democrats running up massive deficits? Democrats attaching a tax hike of some kind to every single bit of legislation passed during GHW's term to try to force him to break his "no new taxes" pledge?

No, I don't remember any of that. I do remember Republicans proudly inventing the term "Teflon President" to chortle about how Reagan could get away with anything in the 1980s intimidated media. John Tower knew too much from the late 70s Congressional JFK investigation and the CIA wouldn't let him become Defense secretary (Church had already been offed). Clarence Thomas? You really want to defend that retard's record since then on the Court? It was Reagan who drove up the massive deficits with his massive Navy buildup. And finally, you have creatively blamed Bush's "Read my lips" gaffe on Democrats. Nice try. Keep repeating your new conspiracy theory for a hundred years and it may catch on.

 

[Denny Crane]

You are a funny guy!

 

[oldguy]

I think he's doing pretty well except for the NSA shit.

I would like to believe that. Could you expound on what it is that President Obama has done well?

Go Blazers

 

[Further]

Denny - there's a difference between trying to damage the image if the president, which has been around forever, and a congress employing methods to hurt the economy in order to damage the president.

Oldguy, I'll try later, I have have to take a plane now. But basically I feel he is doing well but the congress is thwarting his actions. I love obamacare, love that he got us out of Iraq, love that he killed Osama bin Ladin. I like his financial policies with the stimulus and feel much more could have been done if permitted. I love that he's holding congress responsible to reach a deal. There is tons to like, but the NSA stuff scares me, I think Obama, Bush, and the NSA may be well intentioned and wanting to protect America but have gone too far and built a KGB.

 

[Eastoff]

This has Jew vs hitler written all over it! Obama is the antichrist!

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny - there's a difference between trying to damage the image if the president, which has been around forever, and a congress employing methods to hurt the economy in order to damage the president.

Oldguy, I'll try later, I have have to take a plane now. But basically I feel he is doing well but the congress is thwarting his actions. I love obamacare, love that he got us out of Iraq, love that he killed Osama bin Ladin. I like his financial policies with the stimulus and feel much more could have been done if permitted. I love that he's holding congress responsible to reach a deal. There is tons to like, but the NSA stuff scares me, I think Obama, Bush, and the NSA may be well intentioned and wanting to protect America but have gone too far and built a KGB.

I think running up deficits deliberately was sabotage by the democrats during Reagan's terms. It hurt the economy. They were trying to damage the teflon presidency.

They were really scared of him. He was the anti-FDR guy. A former FDR democrat, union leader, turned libertarian.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I bone every chance I get.

Is Homefry the new FAMS?



Okay, if you say so. Maybe 1/5 is a very small fraction.



No. Do I look like one of those types?



Looking... hmm, significantly less than DOD.

barfo

I owe you an apology and a clarification. Your figures are correct. The DOD has nearly doubled spending from 2001 levels. Yes, it is almost 20% of the budget (I dont know how they figured this, as we have not had a budget from 2008 on)

I contend that the alarming part of the equation is that we spend between 6 to 10 percent on interest only. The money we spend on DOD creates wealth, jobs and boosts the economy. The money we spend on interest does nothing of the sort, it only weakens Our standing wealth wise. Makes the dollar weaker, drives up prices, devalues wealth.

 

[Denny Crane]

I owe you an apology and a clarification. Your figures are correct. The DOD has nearly doubled spending from 2001 levels. Yes, it is almost 20% of the budget (I dont know how they figured this, as we have not had a budget from 2008 on)

I contend that the alarming part of the equation is that we spend between 6 to 10 percent on interest only. The money we spend on DOD creates wealth, jobs and boosts the economy. The money we spend on interest does nothing of the sort, it only weakens Our standing wealth wise. Makes the dollar weaker, drives up prices, devalues wealth.

Congress has passed continuing resolutions that means we use the previous year's budget. We're still using something like the 2010 budget figures, minus the sequester deal amounts.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Congress has passed continuing resolutions that means we use the previous year's budget. We're still using something like the 2010 budget figures, minus the sequester deal amounts.

yeah..makes sense. I should have been able to reason that out, but the old noggin is a bit slow today..hehehe, thanks.

 

[Denny Crane]

The supreme court disagrees with you.

But I'm sure your legal credentials trump theirs?

barfo

It disagrees with you!

2nd amendment.

 

[MarAzul]

Yawn. After the shutdown humiliation, Republicans control the media by returning to previous failed issues like ACA. Don Quixote tilting at windmills. They live to fight, even if they know they will lose.

Has anyone ever called you Pinocchio?

 

[jlprk]

Apparently you Republicans think you won the 2012 election. You lost very, very badly. When Reagan used to win that many electoral votes, your party kept repeating the word "mandate" for years to force your legislation down our throats.

 

[jlprk]

As for the horrible 2009 budget Obama inherited from your president, here's Obama's progress.

 

[e_blazer]

As Mark Twain said, "There's lies, damned lies and statistics." For Obama to say that the deficit has been cut in half since the start of his presidency, while factually true, is absolutely hysterical as an indicator of the success of his economic policies. The national debt at the end of the Bush years was about $4.2 trillion dollars. As we all know, the economy was in a total free-fall as a result of the housing bust and pushing money into the system was seen as the only way to keep it from crashing. It started under Bush but went into hyperdrive under Obama. So, yeah, now that the economy is doing a bit better they're not feeding as much money into the system as before, but the national debt is more than four times what it was when Bush left office. Pretty much the same kind of goofy way of looking at things as a doctor who's botched a surgery saying that the patient isn't bleeding out as quickly as before once there's no blood left in the patient's system.

 

[Denny Crane]

Obama dials it up to 11.