So, We're Leaving Iraq

[ABM]

The war is over. Obama is now a hero, effectively, cementing another 4 years.

Simple as that.

Right?...........Riiiight?

 

[barfo]

The war is over. Obama is now a hero, effectively, cementing another 4 years.

Simple as that.

Right?...........Riiiight?

Well, I don't know that it makes him a hero, but he has kept that promise.

Frankly he's looking pretty good on foreign policy. Libya worked out fine, killing Gaddafi cost us about 4400 less soldiers than killing Saddam. We are about to be out of Iraq. Bin Laden is dead meat, as are a bunch of his buddies. Afghanistan, of course, is still a flytrap, and Sarah Palin has not yet been brought to justice, so there is still work to be done.

barfo

 

[ABM]

...Sarah Palin has not yet been brought to justice...

...and neither have you, for that matter.

 

[barfo]

...and neither have you, for that matter.

Then why am I posting from Gitmo? Answer me that!

barfo

 

[ABM]

Libya worked out fine, killing Gaddafi cost us about 4400 less soldiers than killing Saddam. We are about to be out of Iraq. Bin Laden is dead meat, as are a bunch of his buddies....

NATO and pursuing a man on the run. Yay.

 

[ABM]

Then why am I posting from Gitmo? Answer me that!

barfo

Holy Crap There IS a God! (Yeah, I already knew that, but, just sayin....)

 

[ABM]

NATO and pursuing a man on the run. Yay.

Nah, my hat's off to him, though. He's still our President and I'll always support him.......while he's in Office.

 

[barfo]

NATO and pursuing a man on the run. Yay.

So what do you mean by that? Who is the man on the run? Bin Laden? Saddam? Gaddafi? Since he (whichever) was on the run, should we have let him go?

Do you see something wrong with having NATO be the front man?

barfo

 

[ABM]

So what do you mean by that? Who is the man on the run? Bin Laden? Saddam? Gaddafi? Since he (whichever) was on the run, should we have let him go?

Do you see something wrong with having NATO be the front man?

barfo

I was simply responding to your comparison of us losing so many assets nailing Saddam. That was a much different effort. It doesn't necessarily make it right, just different.

 

[barfo]

I was simply responding to your comparison of us losing so many assets nailing Saddam. That was a much different effort. It doesn't necessarily make it right, just different.

That was my point, that it was different.

barfo

 

[ABM]

That was my point, that it was different.

barfo

I think you point, though, was that it was better. If so, I'd maintain that it's an apples vs. oranges comparison.

Nonetheless, they're all the bad guys....and they're gone.

 

[barfo]

I think you point, though, was that it was better. If so, I'd maintain that it's an apples vs. oranges comparison.

Nonetheless, they're all the bad guys....and they're gone.

Yes, but you have to pay taxes on the bushel basket of apples and oranges (to quote Romney). Maybe there are some reasons to prefer oranges.

barfo

 

[ABM]

Yes, but you have to pay taxes on the bushel basket of apples and oranges (to quote Romney). Maybe there are some reasons to prefer oranges.

barfo

Yeah, orange ya glad we have choices?

Back on topic, there's no doubt Obama will garner points in this latest move. However, I'm still a bit incredulous as to if it's the right one....that is, at this moment in time. We're certain to find out, though.

 

[barfo]

Yeah, orange ya glad we have choices?

Back on topic, there's no doubt Obama will garner points in this latest move. However, I'm still a bit incredulous as to if it's the right one....that is, at this moment in time. We're certain to find out, though.

Not at all certain. We might both die tomorrow.

Edit: in each others arms.

barfo

 

[ABM]

Not at all certain. We might both die tomorrow.

Edit: in each others arms.

barfo

Careful, now. I just watched Red State.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is it a win for Obama if Iraq is thrown into turmoil after we leave?

 

[ABM]

Is it a win for Obama if Iraq is thrown into turmoil after we leave?

"However, I'm still a bit incredulous as to if it's the right one [move]....that is, at this moment in time."

 

[barfo]

Is it a win for Obama if Iraq is thrown into turmoil after we leave?

Well, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Iraq will continue to be in turmoil.

Is that Obama's fault for pulling out, or Bush's fault for going in? Or would they be in turmoil no matter what the US did or didn't do? Depends on your perspective.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Iraq will continue to be in turmoil.

Is that Obama's fault for pulling out, or Bush's fault for going in? Or would they be in turmoil no matter what the US did or didn't do? Depends on your perspective.

barfo

Sure, it's unstable at the moment, but I'm talking civil war. Lots of death. It will be interesting to see how things play out in Libya, Egypt, Syria, and now Iraq.

 

[barfo]

Sure, it's unstable at the moment, but I'm talking civil war. Lots of death. It will be interesting to see how things play out in Libya, Egypt, Syria, and now Iraq.

Civil war and lots of death is inevitable.

Edit: Oh, sorry, I meant to post this in the thread about the GOP primaries.

barfo

 

[STOMP]

Sure, it's unstable at the moment, but I'm talking civil war. Lots of death. It will be interesting to see how things play out in Libya, Egypt, Syria, and now Iraq.

was it unstable when we invaded them as a sovereign nation (that hadn't attacked us) and wasn't posing us any threat as our leaders professed? Hasn't it been pretty unstable ever since? Exactly when were we going to be free of our responsibility for having attacked them under false pretenses and destroyed their government and infrastructure? Can we agree that this was/is a very bad situation with no good exit option that should have been avoided from the get go?

I'm stoked the guys are going to be coming home soon. God bless them but good luck to those who's service is up on finding work stateside... especially with the Tea "Party" issuing a memo to it's business owner followers to pledge not to hire anyone until Obama is ousted.

STOMP

 

[BrianFromWA]

Reading the Navy Times this week....the unemployment rate for veterans 22-26 is 31%.

 

[Natebishop3]

was it unstable when we invaded them as a sovereign nation (that hadn't attacked us) and wasn't posing us any threat as our leaders professed? Hasn't it been pretty unstable ever since? Exactly when were we going to be free of our responsibility for having attacked them under false pretenses and destroyed their government and infrastructure? Can we agree that this was/is a very bad situation with no good exit option that should have been avoided from the get go?

I'm stoked the guys are going to be coming home soon. God bless them but good luck to those who's service is up on finding work stateside... especially with the Tea "Party" issuing a memo to it's business owner followers to pledge not to hire anyone until Obama is ousted.

STOMP

The problem, in my mind, is this: whether you agree or disagree with us invading Iraq in the first place, we have a responsibility to the people of that country. We destroyed the government and infrastructure of Germany and Japan too, but we stayed until the country was back on its feet and eventually an economic super power (in Japans case). Hell, we're still in Germany and Japan to some extent. I just don't want to see Iraq completely torn apart because Obama (or any politician for that matter) wanted to score a win with the people so he can get re-elected. Iraq is unstable right now, absolutely, and it is our fault. Period. We need to see it through until the country can self-sustain and we can limit our involvement to a minimum.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

we should have never been there in the first place, we should apologize profusely and sulk away with our tail between or legs, and never ever do anything like that ever again

a fucking money grab war crime death machine, good riddance

 

[huevonkiller]

Well, I don't know that it makes him a hero, but he has kept that promise.

Frankly he's looking pretty good on foreign policy. Libya worked out fine, killing Gaddafi cost us about 4400 less soldiers than killing Saddam. We are about to be out of Iraq. Bin Laden is dead meat, as are a bunch of his buddies. Afghanistan, of course, is still a flytrap, and Sarah Palin has not yet been brought to justice, so there is still work to be done.

barfo

Um sorry no. We beat Al-Qaeda back in October 2001, but the war goes on a lot longer than that.

Libya is a creepy place with a bunch of innocent people on the verge of being murdered. I doubt they'll be stable but we'll see. Egypt, Iraq, and Iran have never been stabilized. Lebanon was a huge failure too.

 

[PapaG]

Iraq threw us out because Obama wouldn't budge on a few demands. The military leadership is not very happy about it, either.

 

[mook]

The problem, in my mind, is this: whether you agree or disagree with us invading Iraq in the first place, we have a responsibility to the people of that country. We destroyed the government and infrastructure of Germany and Japan too, but we stayed until the country was back on its feet and eventually an economic super power (in Japans case). Hell, we're still in Germany and Japan to some extent. I just don't want to see Iraq completely torn apart because Obama (or any politician for that matter) wanted to score a win with the people so he can get re-elected. Iraq is unstable right now, absolutely, and it is our fault. Period. We need to see it through until the country can self-sustain and we can limit our involvement to a minimum.

If it took 60 years of the same insurrection bullshit we're dealing with now to do it, would you be ok with that? Do you want my 6 year old son to eventually fight over there? How about my eventual grandchildren?

Japan and Germany actually wanted our help. We didn't have a 9 year insurrection fight with either country. At some point you have to realize there are just some things American occupation just can't fix. Whatever we still owe Iraq, we'll never really be able to repay.

If Iraq is torn apart because Obama follows the will of the people of the United States, well, that's not crass pandering. That's democracy for you. This war has not had the support of most Americans for some time now. It's about time that the politicians who serve us notice this.

 

[Denny Crane]

not sure Obama deserves any credit for the Iraqis asking us to leave, but it's a good result.

 

[MARIS61]

The problem, in my mind, is this: whether you agree or disagree with us invading Iraq in the first place, we have a responsibility to the people of that country. We destroyed the government and infrastructure of Germany and Japan too, but we stayed until the country was back on its feet and eventually an economic super power (in Japans case). Hell, we're still in Germany and Japan to some extent. I just don't want to see Iraq completely torn apart because Obama (or any politician for that matter) wanted to score a win with the people so he can get re-elected. Iraq is unstable right now, absolutely, and it is our fault. Period. We need to see it through until the country can self-sustain and we can limit our involvement to a minimum.

If by "we" you mean anyone who voted Bush/Cheney into office or subsequently supported the wars in the middle east, then I agree.

If you mean all Americans including those whose votes and efforts opposed the wars then you are way off base.

I owe nothing at all to the middle east and they owe me nothing but gratitude for my support of non-interventionism by my government.

 

[MARIS61]

The military leadership is not very happy about it, either.

Of course not. When they aren't given countries to devastate and "savages" to slaughter, they lead fairly dull and unimportant lives.

Iraq threw us out because they never wanted us there to begin with and they hate everything about us. And by "us" I mean the military industrial complex that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people purely for profit.