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Where does he mention defense?
You'll have to read some of the thread.

Let me know when you get to the gem that someone (I won't use their name to embarrass them) thought Stotts was holding Derrick Jones Jr back. Multiple seasons later, with different coaching and more experience, he's basically the same player.

Lots of reaching and bad assumptions in those two threads and that's just the tip of the iceburg
 
Should go on Bones and Hoops show since you love calling them out so much.

I was asked to pull out examples and those were the first two the came up. If Orion Bailey wants me on his YouTube show, I'm sure he'll ask me. Bones hasn't even paid off his bet with me, so I doubt he'd want me on his show.

Just because someone has a YouTube channel, doesn't mean their bad-takes are above being called out. In fact, it's probably good for those with the greatest reach to be held accountable for spreading bad info.
 
After further thought we just suck. From ownership on down the line. Thankfully we got Lillard otherwise we’d be the laughingstock of the league.

Jokes on him I guess.
 
You'll have to read some of the thread.

Let me know when you get to the gem that someone (I won't use their name to embarrass them) thought Stotts was holding Derrick Jones Jr back. Multiple seasons later, with different coaching and more experience, he's basically the same player.

Lots of reaching and bad assumptions in those two threads and that's just the tip of the iceburg

I never said he was holding him back. I said he was misusing him. He's not a shooter. He stuck him in the corner. Somehow.... we seem to be using Shaedon Sharpe in much the same way that we should have been using DJJ. If Stotts was coaching this team, Sharpe would A) not be playing at all and B) be stuck in the corner to wait for the ball.
 
I never said he was holding him back. I said he was misusing him. He's not a shooter. He stuck him in the corner. Somehow.... we seem to be using Shaedon Sharpe in much the same way that we should have been using DJJ. If Stotts was coaching this team, Sharpe would A) not be playing at all and B) be stuck in the corner to wait for the ball.

I'm not sure your assumptions are accurate. Stotts showed a willingness to play top 10 picks as rookies. CJ being the one exception, as he was hurt.

Stotts even played rookie, Meyers Leonard 18mpg (only 2 less than Sharpe) and Zach Collins 16mpg despite Sharpe obviously being more talented and having the benefit of guys like Dame, Ant, Nas, Winslow, etc missing games and opening up minutes for him.

Many feel Sharpe is a future all-star, but when Stotts was given a future all-star, he played him 39mpg as a rookie. So this seems to be another one of those misleading and simplified narratives that were used to attempt to justify getting rid of a coach who over-acheived given the talent he had. Him not giving major run to late 1st or 2nd round picks who turned out to be journeyman in the league might've been a sign that he recognized those players ceilings much quicker than the casuals on here begging for players like Weynen Gaberiel to get more run.
 
I'm not sure your assumptions are accurate. Stotts showed a willingness to play top 10 picks as rookies. CJ being the one exception, as he was hurt.

Stotts even played rookie, Meyers Leonard 18mpg (only 2 less than Sharpe) and Zach Collins 16mpg despite Sharpe obviously being more talented and having the benefit of guys like Dame, Ant, Nas, Winslow, etc missing games and opening up minutes for him.

Many feel Sharpe is a future all-star, but when Stotts was given a future all-star, he played him 39mpg as a rookie. So this seems to be another one of those misleading and simplified narratives that were used to attempt to justify getting rid of a coach who over-acheived given the talent he had. Him not giving major run to late 1st or 2nd round picks who turned out to be journeyman in the league might've been a sign that he recognized those players ceilings much quicker than the casuals on here begging for players like Weynen Gaberiel to get more run.

CJ played a whopping 15 minutes per game in his second year.

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CJ played a whopping 15 minutes per game in his second year.

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Already moving the goalposts to 2nd year players? That was fast.

So CJ played the backup minutes to a guy who got a max contract the next season?
Oh, and on a team that won 50+ games?

Man, that was so much worse than playing Sharpe 20 minutes on a team that might be the play-in game. You're grasping at this point.
 
For starters Ant is doing a very poor job of proving those who said he was as good as/better than CJ wrong.

A young, inexperienced player which translates into an inconsistent player.
 
For starters Ant is doing a very poor job of proving those who said he was as good as/better than CJ wrong.

A young, inexperienced player which translates into an inconsistent player.
Who is who? Or is is it whom?

mpg
35.2
35.3

fg%
.436
.448

3pt%
.384
.378

efg%
.520
.550

ppg
20.5
21.1

PER
15.8
15.0

Obpm
1.8
1.4

Dbpm
-1.7
-2.3

fairly equal across the board
 
I was asked to pull out examples and those were the first two the came up. If Orion Bailey wants me on his YouTube show, I'm sure he'll ask me. Bones hasn't even paid off his bet with me, so I doubt he'd want me on his show.

Just because someone has a YouTube channel, doesn't mean their bad-takes are above being called out. In fact, it's probably good for those with the greatest reach to be held accountable for spreading bad info.

Not trying to butt in but want to clear a couple things up.
In no way is Orion Bailey affiliated with BlazersUprise, other than he is a big fan and a patreon contributor.
@hoopsjock and @BonesJones are the geniuses behind that.
That is all. Thanks.
 
Already moving the goalposts to 2nd year players? That was fast.

So CJ played the backup minutes to a guy who got a max contract the next season?
Oh, and on a team that won 50+ games?

Man, that was so much worse than playing Sharpe 20 minutes on a team that might be the play-in game. You're grasping at this point.
Well you said that he missed most of his rookie season because of an injury, so wasn't his second season really his rookie season?
 
I just have to quote Yoda (and alter it a bit)

"Tired are you? What know you of disappointment? For forty eight years have I been a Blazer fan. My own counsel will I keep on what makes a good fan. A fan must have the deepest commitment, the most patient mind. This fanbase, a long time have I watched. All their life have they looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never their mind on where they were. Hmm? What they are currently doing. Hmph! Future daft picks. Heh! Championships. Heh! A fan craves not these things but rather enjoys the now!. You are reckless!
 
Well you said that he missed most of his rookie season because of an injury, so wasn't his second season really his rookie season?

Ok. So his second season he played 15 mpg, behind a guy about the get a max contract, on a team that won 51 games. Oh, and CJ turned out ok; doesn't appear playing 15 mintues vs 20 really stunted him as a player. What's the issue here?
 
Ok. So his second season he played 15 mpg, behind a guy about the get a max contract, on a team that won 51 games. Oh, and CJ turned out ok; doesn't appear playing 15 mintues vs 20 really stunted him as a player. What's the issue here?

That's a lot of conjecture from a statement that I made that Stotts wouldn't play Shaedon.

You're really great at mind reading, sir.
 
Not trying to butt in but want to clear a couple things up.
In no way is Orion Bailey affiliated with BlazersUprise, other than he is a big fan and a patreon contributor.
@hoopsjock and @BonesJones are the geniuses behind that.
That is all. Thanks.
Appreciate that. You can always butt in, this is an open message board! Plus, you added facts to the conversation, so bonus points there!

Like many Blazer related podcasts and shows, I gave that one a fair shot, but felt it was lacking in a few important areas, and haven't tuned in a while. I have zero problem with people doing their own thing and I don't wish them to fail, but it also doesn't mean when they share their bad takes there shouldn't be push back.
 
That's a lot of conjecture from a statement that I made that Stotts wouldn't play Shaedon.

You're really great at mind reading, sir.

Agreed. Lots of conjecture. Where some of the conjecture lacked supporting evidence, I was filling it in with minutes played by previous lottery picks in the last 10 season to see if the story matched the facts. Nothing to do with mind-reading.
 
Agreed. Lots of conjecture. Where some of the conjecture lacked supporting evidence, I was filling it in with minutes played by previous lottery picks in the last 10 season to see if the story matched the facts. Nothing to do with mind-reading.

You seem to forget why the conversation happened in the first place. I said that Stotts was not good at using DJJ's strengths, which was his athleticism, and that because Shaedon is similarly very athletic, Stotts would not have utilized him well.

You're the one who brought up rookies.
 
You seem to forget why the conversation happened in the first place. I said that Stotts was not good at using DJJ's strengths, which was his athleticism, and that because Shaedon is similarly very athletic, Stotts would not have utilized him well.

You're the one who brought up rookies.

To use the athletic ability of a player you need ball handlers that can push in the open court or players that can throw lobs. The only one in recent memory that could really push was Hart, so frankly, DJJ was probably used about as much as you could use him. He could not create for himself and to be a lob-threat, the Blazers needed ball handlers that consistently throw these. With Dame and CJ quite often calling their own number - DJJ was used as efficiently as he should have, no disrespect to anyone, but DJJ even with his athletic ability was never an efficient primary scorer, so if the question was let Dame or CJ shoot or run sets to free DJJ... Terry went the right way.

Now, DJJ, just like Sharpe, would have thrived better in this year's Blazers team, but that's not because of Terry, it's because the roster had Hart and Winslow.

What we have seen from DJJ is that his TS% has gone up a bit in Chicago, but he plays quite a bit less. The issue, per usual, was roster optimization. The Blazers had to play him a lot more than he deserved to because they did not have any bigger wings - but when they did, they minimized his offensive role as they should have.
 
To use the athletic ability of a player you need ball handlers that can push in the open court or players that can throw lobs. The only one in recent memory that could really push was Hart, so frankly, DJJ was probably used about as much as you could use him. He could not create for himself and to be a lob-threat, the Blazers needed ball handlers that consistently throw these. With Dame and CJ quite often calling their own number - DJJ was used as efficiently as he should have, no disrespect to anyone, but DJJ even with his athletic ability was never an efficient primary scorer, so if the question was let Dame or CJ shoot or run sets to free DJJ... Terry went the right way.

Now, DJJ, just like Sharpe, would have thrived better in this year's Blazers team, but that's not because of Terry, it's because the roster had Hart and Winslow.

What we have seen from DJJ is that his TS% has gone up a bit in Chicago, but he plays quite a bit less. The issue, per usual, was roster optimization. The Blazers had to play him a lot more than he deserved to because they did not have any bigger wings - but when they did, they minimized his offensive role as they should have.

Sorry to be snarky.... but if only coaches could like..... tell their players what to do?

Dame and CJ basically could do whatever they wanted under Stotts. They had no leash. They're smart guys. There's no reason they couldn't throw more lobs.
 
You seem to forget why the conversation happened in the first place. I said that Stotts was not good at using DJJ's strengths, which was his athleticism, and that because Shaedon is similarly very athletic, Stotts would not have utilized him well.

You're the one who brought up rookies.

I still disagree with that to. DJJ has been marginally productive on 4 different teams, used different ways. DJJ wasn't very good, it didn't have to do with style, use, etc.

We have no clue how the previous coaching staff would've used Sharpe. DJJ isn't Sharpe, or at least lets hope not.
 
Sorry to be snarky.... but if only coaches could like..... tell their players what to do?

Dame and CJ basically could do whatever they wanted under Stotts. They had no leash. They're smart guys. There's no reason they couldn't throw more lobs.

Another false narrative with no real evidence to back it up. Have Dame and CJ turned into drastically different players under Billups and Green? Of course not. CJ plays PG due to the roster makeup, so he's naturally going to get more assists, but he's still the same off the bounce pull up player he was in Portland.
 
Appreciate that. You can always butt in, this is an open message board! Plus, you added facts to the conversation, so bonus points there!

Like many Blazer related podcasts and shows, I gave that one a fair shot, but felt it was lacking in a few important areas, and haven't tuned in a while. I have zero problem with people doing their own thing and I don't wish them to fail, but it also doesn't mean when they share their bad takes there shouldn't be push back.

I have zero problem with people pushing back on takes they don't agree with as long as they also give props for ones they think are solid. And I enjoy posters or media types that can roll with that, engage in the conversation and not come across like you just killed their dog. Colin is great at that. Some of what he does can be grating at times, but he specifically has a segment called, "Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong" and he laughs at things he gets completely wrong, or jokingly denies he ever said it....that's fun!
 
I have zero problem with people pushing back on takes they don't agree with as long as they also give props for ones they think are solid. And I enjoy posters or media types that can roll with that, engage in the conversation and not come across like you just killed their dog. Colin is great at that. Some of what he does can be grating at times, but he specifically has a segment called, "Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong" and he laughs at things he gets completely wrong, or jokingly denies he ever said it....that's fun!

100% agree. Because of that, I try to point out when people make solid takes. Certainly I have done that with those two. I don't keep track of every handle on this board, but I know I disagree with Nate, Illmatic, and others on plenty of topics, but I also know we agree on plenty of things too. Of course, when I find myself agreeing with @Natebishop3 I get concerned I've gone off the deep end on some topic!

We ALL get stuff wrong on here and like you said, those who can own it get more respect. If I went back and looked at all the players in the draft I liked and didn't like, it would be further confirmation of how far I am from being qualified to be a good GM!
 
Sorry to be snarky.... but if only coaches could like..... tell their players what to do?

Dame and CJ basically could do whatever they wanted under Stotts. They had no leash. They're smart guys. There's no reason they couldn't throw more lobs.

Right, because Dame suddenly become a lob monster under Chauncy with multiple high jumpers on the roster including Sharpe, Ant and Keon...



and this, girls and boys, is how you throw the gauntlet for a snark for snark duel.

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