So when we die and become eternal

[Denny Crane]

You might have burned that one.

I recognized the sarcasm.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

 

[jlprk]

The question in the opening post asks what you see after you're dead.

Did you see Saddam's rape rooms? Did you see his army hide their weapons so well that they were unusable?

No, but you've told me often that you believe it.

Now you say that believing things you don't see is wishful thinking...like, to justify a great evil that was done?

 

[Denny Crane]

Did you see Saddam's rape rooms? Did you see his army hide their weapons so well that they were unusable?

No, but you've told me often that you believe it.

Now you say that believing things you don't see is wishful thinking...like, to justify a great evil that was done?

Why do you believe there were no such torture rooms in Iraq? WHO told you?

How do you know there were no WMDs? Were you there to verify it?

Are you upset that an Iraqi court found him guilty of crime against humanity and hung him for it?

I say the courts' duty is to determine the truth. Done deal.

 

[jlprk]

You didn't see it. All logic says that he could easily rule without rape rooms, and that he wouldn't make his weapons unusable. Why does your quasi-religion, Warmongering, lead you to kill large numbers of innocent civilians about things you see only in your head?

 

[Denny Crane]

You didn't see it. All logic says that he could easily rule without rape rooms, and that he wouldn't make his weapons unusable. Why does your quasi-religion, Warmongering, lead you to kill large numbers of innocent civilians about things you see only in your head?

Saddam was found guilty of mass murder. Crimes against humanity. Hitler kind of stuff.

He had to go.

I'm not in favor of troops in Afghanistan or bombing Syria or much of what the government is up to.

You can say all the bullshit you want, but you aren't making much sense.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh no jlprk, you started a debate that is undebateable.

When you discuss philosophy with Denny, it's like trying to convince a computer that they are just machines

 

[barfo]

'become eternal'?

How does that make any sense?

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

'become eternal'?

How does that make any sense?

barfo

The concept of spirit, which existed before time existed. Once released from the body, your consciousness lives outside the realm of the natural world.

 

[Denny Crane]

Barfo has already won this one.

 

[magnifier661]

You always know when Denny hits a snag the moment he uses other posters, especially ones he has fiery debates with, to side with in the current debate

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh no jlprk, you started a debate that is undebateable.

When you discuss philosophy with Denny, it's like trying to convince a computer that they are just machines

You always know when Denny hits a snag the moment he uses other posters, especially ones he has fiery debates with, to side with in the current debate

 

[barfo]

The concept of spirit, which existed before time existed. Once released from the body, your consciousness lives outside the realm of the natural world.

Heavy, man. I'm a 10-dimensional apricot!

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Heavy, man. I'm a 10-dimensional apricot!

barfo

Hahahhaa. You don't have to believe it to have a philosophical discussion. Now I know you have a decent brain between those ears of yours.

So let's get back to the OP topic. If that was a possibility, would the "spirit" have the ability to see all past, present and future?

 

[barfo]

Hahahhaa. You don't have to believe it to have a philosophical discussion. Now I know you have a decent brain between those ears of yours.

So let's get back to the OP topic. If that was a possibility, would the "spirit" have the ability to see all past, present and future?

Or to restate the question, can 10-dimensional apricots ride unicorns on Thursdays in Februcember?

The answer is clearly prostate cancer with mint sauce.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Or to restate the question, can 10-dimensional apricots ride unicorns on Thursdays in Februcember?

The answer is clearly prostate cancer with mint sauce.

barfo

So you don't think something outside the natural world can gain access to all past, present and future?

 

[barfo]

So you don't think something outside the natural world can gain access to all past, present and future?

Sure it could. It could be run over by a minivan, too.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Sure it could. It could be run over by a minivan, too.

barfo

Cool beans! Your symbolism is out of the box! I think I got it...

Minivan = subjective naturalism

Unicorn = the spirit consciousness

Mint sauce = the bridge between the natural universe and the realm beyond the natural world.

Let me think of the rest

 

[magnifier661]

The Apricot = time itself

 

[magnifier661]

Wait I think prostate cancer = blindness of conceptualism! Genius!!! Not only does it explain the lack of philosophical reasoning, killing man's true self with observation death!

Also the connection with a sex organ can be another symbolism that this cancer kills the drive "sexual pleasure" and understanding of the concept of spirituality.

In other words, when you allow the cancer to control you, you become a dead soul!

You and Shakespeare are two the same!

 

[crowTrobot]

Since time now isn't an issue, would that mean you could see all that existed and will exist too?

Does our future already exist and we just lack the ability to remember it?

 

[magnifier661]

Does our future already exist and we just lack the ability to remember it?

In not quite sure. It seems the "time stream" would flow regardless of our natural self. I guess the possibility that our individualism "ego" is no longer. So what our future is would hold no relevance?

 

[crowTrobot]

In not quite sure. It seems the "time stream" would flow regardless of our natural self.

If a perspective from outside time is possible and a fixed future already exists, wouldn't the flow of time (and the apparent free will) we experience be just an illusion?

 

[magnifier661]

If a perspective from outside time is possible and a fixed future already exists, wouldn't the flow of time (and the apparent free will) we experience be just an illusion?

No because the free will is during our time in the natural world. But outside the the natural world, you could theorize that we would be timeless. Meaning time, regardless of future, it isn't a binding force in our new reality

 

[magnifier661]

Or possibly, time is the actual illusion?

 

[barfo]

Or possibly, time is the actual illusion?

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight,
Red is gray and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

barfo

 

[jlprk]

Saddam was found guilty of mass murder. Crimes against humanity. Hitler kind of stuff. He had to go.

Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld can't travel to many countries because they will be detained as war criminals. That proves more than your kangaroo court did.

 

[magnifier661]

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight,
Red is gray and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

barfo

Sounds like you are talking about the moon?

 

[jlprk]

Time is merely the next-higher dimension, through which our 3-D space passes. It seems eternal to us, but finite to a 4-D entity.

Just as we see 3-D objects as finite in length, but a linear 2-D creature would see a 3-D women's breast as infinite in width. He could pass down its length, but not perceive its width.