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http://news.yahoo.com/could-model-airplanes-become-terrorist-weapon-214956090.html

BOSTON (AP) — Model airplanes are suddenly on the public's radar as potential terrorist weapons.

A 26-year-old man from a Boston suburb was arrested Wednesday and accused of plotting to attack the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol with remote-controlled model planes packed with explosives.

These are not balsa-wood-and-rubber-band toys investigators are talking about. The FBI said Rezwan Ferdaus hoped to use military-jet replicas, 5 to 7 1/2 feet long, guided by GPS devices and capable of speeds over 100 mph.

Federal officials have long been aware of the possibility someone might try to use such planes as weapons, but there are no restrictions on their purchase — Ferdaus is said to have bought his over the Internet.

Counterterrorism experts and model-aircraft hobbyists said it would be nearly impossible to inflict large-scale damage of the sort Ferdaus allegedly envisioned using model planes. The aircraft are too small, can't carry enough explosives and are too tricky to fly, they said.

"The idea of pushing a button and this thing diving into the Pentagon is kind of a joke, actually," said Greg Hahn, technical director of the Academy of Model Aeronautics.

Rick Nelson, a former Navy helicopter pilot who is now a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said Ferdaus would have had to hit a window or other vulnerable area to maximize damage, and that would have taken precision flying.

"Flying a remote-controlled plane isn't as easy as it actually looks, and then to put an explosive on it and have that explosive detonate at the time and place that you want it add to the difficulty of actually doing it," he said.

Ferdaus, a Muslim American from Ashland, was arrested after federal agents posing as al-Qaida members delivered what he believed was 24 pounds of C-4 explosive, authorities said. He was charged with attempting to damage or destroy a federal building with explosives. A federal affidavit claims he began planning "jihad" against the U.S. in early 2010 after becoming convinced through jihadi websites and videos that America was evil.

Ferdaus had a physics degree from Northeastern University and enjoyed "taking stuff apart" and "learning on my own," according to court papers.

The model planes Ferdaus eyed were the F-4 Phantom and the F-86 Sabre, small-scale versions of military jets, investigators said. The F-4 is the more expensive of the two, at up to $20,000, Hahn said. The F-86, one of which Ferdaus actually obtained, costs $6,000 to $10,000 new.

Ferdaus' plan, as alleged in court papers, was to launch three such planes from a park near the Pentagon and Capitol and use GPS to direct them toward the buildings, where they would detonate on impact and blow the Capitol dome to "smithereens." He planned to pack five pounds of plastic explosives on each plane, according to prosecutors.

James Crippin, an explosives and anti-terrorism expert, said that much C-4 could do serious damage — a half-pound will obliterate a car. But he said getting a stable explosive like C-4 to blow up at the right time would have been hugely difficult.

And there were slim prospects of causing any serious damage to buildings like the Pentagon and Capitol, which are undoubtedly hardened to withstand explosions, according to Crippin, director of the Western Forensic Law Enforcement Training Center.

"Basically, I think he's suffering from delusions of grandeur," he said.

Hahn said the heavier of the two models Ferdaus was allegedly planning to use could carry a maximum of two pounds of plastic explosive before malfunctioning. That's not including the weight of any GPS system, he added.

"It's almost impossible for him to get this done," he said.

Remote-controlled aircraft have been considered by terrorists before. In 2008, Christopher Paul of Worthington, Ohio, a Columbus suburb, pleaded guilty to plotting terrorist attacks in the U.S. and Europe using explosive devices. Prosecutors said he researched remote-controlled boats and a remote-controlled 5-foot-long helicopter.

And after Sept. 11, federal agents asked the Academy of Model Aeronautics' 143,000 members to watch for any fellow enthusiasts who might be buying planes with bad intentions.

Well before the Massachusetts arrest, police in Montgomery County, Md., put out a terrorist warning to hobby shops to be aware of customers "who don't appear to be hobbyists" buying model airplanes with cash and asking how they can be modified to carry a device.

The Federal Aviation Administration is devising new rules for model airplanes and other unmanned aircraft, but the restrictions are aimed primarily at preventing collisions. Under current FAA rules, such planes are generally limited to flying below 400 feet and away from airports and air traffic.

Massachusetts prosecutor Gerry Leone, who handled the prosecution of would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid, said terrorists are always building bombs out of common, legitimate items, and imposing restrictions on buying model aircraft would not make sense simply because of this one case.

But he said law enforcement might want be more vigilant about such purchases.
Similarly, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said recent advances in model airplane technology could make them more attractive to terrorists. But he said the answer is better intelligence, not trying to regulate hobbyists and their toys.

"Kids have them, people fly them, groups are organized just to engage in this type of pastime activity," the congressman said. "It would be almost impossible to regulate the little engines and things, propellers."
 
ABM, remember that nice plane that guy was flying at the beach? We should have called the FBI.
 
The article undermines its own credibility almost immediately. I love how the first quote is basically an expert calling the idea stupid.
 
I knew this would happen. Now Obama's trying to take away our toys.

Pity the children. Bring back Bush.

Next thing, he'll take away my model glue with the great smell.
 
Next thing, he'll take away my model glue with the great smell.

I loved that smell, as well. Also, made great fake boogers.
 
I loved that smell, as well. Also, made great fake boogers.

Was your family so poor that you couldn't afford real boogers? Man, that's sad.

barfo
 
Was your family so poor that you couldn't afford real boogers? Man, that's sad.

barfo


True enough. In fact, it's the primary reason I left high school early. To contribute to the family income, I became a professional picker. It was a win-win proposition.
 
True enough. In fact, it's the primary reason I left high school early. To contribute to the family income, I became a professional picker. It was a win-win proposition.

Picker as in the tv show, or picker of fruits?
 
My god you're blonde.

It's 9:15 and I had a long day at work. The fact that I am even awake should give me the benefit of the doubt and my missing his nose picker reference should be overlooked.
 
It's 9:15 and I had a long day at work. The fact that I am even awake should give me the benefit of the doubt and my missing his nose picker reference should be overlooked.

I'll overlook the fact that Sly is picking on you. He can be a snot at times.
 
It's 9:15 and I had a long day at work. The fact that I am even awake should give me the benefit of the doubt and my missing his nose picker reference should be overlooked.

I meant it in the kindest way possible.
 
I'm thinking of the Ren and Stimpy bit where Stimpy is excited about the nose goblins he's picked.

"I picked them myself!!"
 
I loved that smell, as well. Also, made great fake boogers.

Funny you bring this up. This week I had a fatherly talk with my 20-year-old son about boogers (that's how it's spelled?). I told him how my father had always found it disgusting that I kept one long fingernail which I called my booger finger. It's very useful to have this tool, and you should maintain at least one long fingernail for nose and ears. My son was telling me that he is starting to have nose hairs and I told him, wait till you get gray ones. Then you can be selective about which ones you pluck. Well I don't want to bore you with the heartwarming knowledge passed down from my father to me to my son and to you, but if you or your descendants want me to write a lot more, just gather around the hearth and ask because I have a lot to pass on before I pass on.
 
Funny you bring this up. This week I had a fatherly talk with my 20-year-old son about boogers (that's how it's spelled?). I told him how my father had always found it disgusting that I kept one long fingernail which I called my booger finger. It's very useful to have this tool, and you should maintain at least one long fingernail for nose and ears. My son was telling me that he is starting to have nose hairs and I told him, wait till you get gray ones. Then you can be selective about which ones you pluck. Well I don't want to bore you with the heartwarming knowledge passed down from my father to me to my son and to you, but if you or your descendants want me to write a lot more, just gather around the hearth and ask because I have a lot to pass on before I pass on.


I only wish my dad had told me about boogers when I turned twenty. I had to learn it on the street.

barfo
 
He probably left you alone on dark lonely message boards while he went out carousing, producing the problematic man you are today. Your dad probably just whittled wood carvings with you or played spit in the bottle or something. I am practical and try to pass on practical, useful knowledge which will keep my son alive in the post-oil late 21st Century. We must all learn to be frugal in our emerging economy. When China dominates the world, my son will still pick his boogers with pride and I will look down upon him, beaming like the Sun.
 
Ahhhhhhhhh yes, another classic S2 thread. We started with government encroachment in the livers of those who like model airplanes and ended up with as serious discussion on boogers. It's what makes us great.
 
I only wish my dad had told me about boogers when I turned twenty. I had to learn it on the street.

barfo

Im guessing you smelled a lot of that glue growing up.
 
...I have a lot to pass on before I pass on.

Speaking of which, ya shoulda been down at the beach with BLAZER PROPHET and myself last week. There was a plethora of the passing "of" goin' on.
 
Ahhhhhhhhh yes, another classic S2 thread. We started with government encroachment in the livers of those who like model airplanes and ended up with as serious discussion on boogers. It's what makes us great.

Government encroachment in our livers is a big problem.

barfo
 
Government encroachment in our livers is a big problem.

barfo

Once they hit our livers, it becomes a slippery slope. Organically speaking, of course.
 
Like if you believe liver-lovers, you can live a lengthly life with limited legislation or licensing of little livers and the lives of those who love little livers licentiously.
 
Like if you believe liver-lovers, you can live a lengthly life with limited legislation or licensing of little livers and the lives of those who love little livers licentiously.

Generally speaking, my mantra has been to screw it all and liver it up. Moderation in all things......including moderation, itself.
 
I fly RC Airplanes... and a few years ago the government was already trying to regulate. If you fly at any AMA airfield is *is* already regulated, but regulation won't stop idiots. You would think jamming rc frequencies would be a smarter route. The odds of him getting a RC jet off in a park, unless he has a very straight and level parking lot with no trees... is slim anyway. It just isn't that easy. Why wouldn't he just remote control a van? OMG... get rid of all vans!
 
Getting back on topic for this off topic thread, the goal of our government in regulating/preventing model airplane use by civilian citizens is the same as gun control. To disarm the populace and enslave them. Remote controlled miniatures are the future of populace control, and by future I mean from about 2004 and on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d-yemen-says/2011/09/30/gIQAsoWO9K_story.html

Our government already has RCM's that resemble birds and insects and has used them to spy on US citizens.



http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/17/business/la-fi-hummingbird-drone-20110217
 
Now that the New World Order has turned what was once an enjoyable and educational hobby into the #1 threat to personal liberty, it could (and eventually will) be argued that said hobby now falls under the complete protection of The Second Amendment.
 

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