OT Social Credit Scores here we come?

[beast blazer]

Dr. Mercola's has a business where he sells various supplements and writes articles on natural health. Some may not like that, and thing those things distract from getting modern medical care or whatever. Which is fine, you have a right to your view, though I think what he's selling is less toxic that someone selling alcohol.

But things like this have been creeping up on us, and the things that make you a "deplorable" worthy of such ostratization gets wider and wider. This is NOT a good path for our society.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Gonna throw a couple more tweets into this thread that connect to this one. Haven't really heard anything about this particular area of complaints, but there seems to be a group of people claiming that society is attempting to silence them through unofficial economic sanctions.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

(Apparently it's not just the private sector; the federal government's also allegedly part of this conspiracy...)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[beast blazer]

Gonna throw a couple more tweets into this thread that connect to this one. Haven't really heard anything about this particular area of complaints, but there seems to be a group of people claiming that society is attempting to silence them through unofficial economic sanctions.

If you have the power to "flip a switch" and exclude someone from the economy, that's a very effective tool of control. There is no one person to go after. No spectacle of abuse that might turn public-sentiment against you (which can lead to revoltions against the ruling class). Johnny broke the rules, he's a bad person. Who is going to write the rules and to what end?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Dr. Mercola's has a business where he sells various supplements and writes articles on natural health. Some may not like that, and thing those things distract from getting modern medical care or whatever. Which is fine, you have a right to your view, though I think what he's selling is less toxic that someone selling alcohol.

But things like this have been creeping up on us, and the things that make you a "deplorable" worthy of such ostratization gets wider and wider. This is NOT a good path for our society.

No company should be forced to do business with antivaxxers or other people who spout provably false misinformation. Like this asshole. He knows better. I have no sympathy at all for him.

Poor and minorities have dealt with bullshit worse than this forever. We should have a national bank that charges no fees and doesn't allow over drafting.

Every USPS should be a physical location.

Problem solved.

 

[beast blazer]

(Apparently it's not just the private sector; the federal government's also allegedly part of this conspiracy...)

I don't know how much separation there is anymore between the major corporations and the federal government. They seem to be blending together. I believe we have something that is more like a "ruling elite", than a government for the people by the people.

There may be no conspiracy to this. But to me, the things I see happening seem like someone is trying to slowly turn the dial (the cook the frog slowly analogy).

 

[beast blazer]

No company should be forced to do business with Jews/left-wing scum/anti-abortionists/environmentalists/critics of banking or other people who spout provably false misinformation. Like this asshole. He knows better. I have no sympathy at all for him.

Poor and minorities have dealt with bullshit worse than this forever. We should have a national bank that charges no fees and doesn't allow over drafting.

Every USPS should be a physical location.

Problem solved.

Take a look into the mirror.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dr. Mercola's has a business where he sells various supplements and writes articles on natural health. Some may not like that, and thing those things distract from getting modern medical care or whatever. Which is fine, you have a right to your view, though I think what he's selling is less toxic that someone selling alcohol.

But things like this have been creeping up on us, and the things that make you a "deplorable" worthy of such ostratization gets wider and wider. This is NOT a good path for our society.

This seems like nothing but a marketing ploy for a bank no one has ever heard of.

 

[beast blazer]

Some good news, it seems that in the UK there is some pushback against this, stemming from a similar case. Yet it seems a mass of dimwits has already been well conditioned to approve of this sort of thing. It's all so pathetic.

https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...lQT1himcMLGxL0o54hyCpBjDGj5OSRZ9t-EdMXfS6n1P0

 

[beast blazer]

I think we should all desire, to live in a world, where those who are critical of anyone in power, who push back against the safety or ethics of any product they produce or action they undertake, have their ability to purchase cut off. Seems like a great situation.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

No company should be forced to do business with antivaxxers or other people who spout provably false misinformation. Like this asshole. He knows better. I have no sympathy at all for him.

Poor and minorities have dealt with bullshit worse than this forever. We should have a national bank that charges no fees and doesn't allow over drafting.

Every USPS should be a physical location.

Problem solved.

You cant be serious with this are you? With how business and gov are so hand in hand?

We need business regulations like never before.

Ooorrrr lets just let them create one giant monopoly and serve only those who bow down to them.
Yeah right…

 

[Phatguysrule]

You cant be serious with this are you? With how business and gov are so hand in hand?

We need business regulations like never before.

Ooorrrr lets just let them create one giant monopoly and serve only those who bow down to them.
Yeah right…

Nobody suggested allowing a monopoly. I suggested the government offer a service that would empower much of tthe poor in this country. Many poor and minorities are locked out of the banking system due to predatory practices at banks.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Nobody suggested allowing a monopoly. I suggested the government offer a service that would empower much of tthe poor in this country. Many poor and minorities are locked out of the banking system due to predatory practices at banks.

You suggested it by stating no private business should be forced…

I took that and the result would be companies creating legal monopolies.

You should reread your first sentence/paragraph in your first post.

No company should be forced to do business with antivaxxers or other people who spout provably false misinformation. Like this asshole. He knows better. I have no sympathy at all for him.

Poor and minorities have dealt with bullshit worse than this forever. We should have a national bank that charges no fees and doesn't allow over drafting.

Every USPS should be a physical location.

Problem solved.

you are contradicting your own statements it seems.
What does usps have to do with this btw?

not even sure you understood the op based on your post?

So if i own a business and i disagree with you on this very topic i can refuse to do business with you and everyone else i disagree with?

so follow that down the line. People will say yes and the market will weed them out.

but no it wont if the gov is subsiding companies that they align with politically. And subsidizing can be done in various ways. Not just financial.

End result is we are on the brink of an elite entity running things and it seems you want to supplrt that.

not me. Im all for more policies restricting marriages of gov and business and regulating business in such a manner that they aren't able to deny business based on individual opinions regarding politics unless it provides a direct hazard to said business.
This cancel shit is way out of hand and now businesses are hopping on the bandwagon.

support it if you like, but I'm pretty sure you will be in a very small minority group.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You suggested it by stating no private business should be forced…

I took that and the result would be companies creating legal monopolies.

How?

You should reread your first sentence/paragraph in your first post.

I've done so

you are contradicting your own statements it seems.

How?

What does usps have to do with this btw?

USPS has many locations owned and staffed by the government who could offer ATM and basic banking needs with very little effort or ramp up

not even sure you understood the op based on your post?

So if i own a business and i disagree with you on this very topic i can refuse to do business with you and everyone else i disagree with?

But you likely wouldn't stay in business very long if you behave that way.

Yes. As long as they aren't a protected class of people or for a protected reason.

so follow that down the line. People will say yes and the market will weed them out.

but no it wont if the gov is subsiding companies that they align with politically. And subsidizing can be done in various ways. Not just financial.

I'm not following you. I don't see how this is related to my post.

End result is we are on the brink of an elite entity running things and it seems you want to supplrt that.

I'm not sure what elite entity you're referring to or how giving people a right to basic banking has anything to do with this elite entity.

not me. Im all for more policies restricting marriages of gov and business and regulating business in such a manner that they aren't able to deny business based on individual opinions regarding politics unless it provides a direct hazard to said business.

Being associated with crooks and snake oil salesman can be a hazard to a company.

This cancel shit is way out of hand and now businesses are hopping on the bandwagon.

support it if you like, but I'm pretty sure you will be in a very small minority group.

I'm not following your logic. No business should be forced to do business with crooks or con men. These people have the right to say these lies, but no business should be forced to enable them to profit by telling lies that harm the economy and country as a whole..

 

[beast blazer]

So many have fallen for the idea that it's ok to censor/oppress those they disagree with. The stupidity of that mindset is sad/pathetic. But the media has been programming dimwits to accept this. And they can't even see how hypocritical they are.

Let me lay this out very simply.
1. Private businesses can become corrupt.
2. A role of government should be to protect the public from corruption in the private sector.
3. Government can become corrupt.
4. Without the ability to be critical of both private business and government, how will anything ever change? This is why freedom of speech was designated as the 1st amendment.

You have no democracy without freedom of speech. Free speech is the cornerstone of democracy yet how many talking heads are state the opposite that it's a "threat to our democracy". If you think censorship is only ever going to work in your favor, you're a fool.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So many have fallen for the idea that it's ok to censor/oppress those they disagree with. The stupidity of that mindset is sad/pathetic. But the media has been programming dimwits to accept this. And they can't even see how hypocritical they are.

Let me lay this out very simply.
1. Private businesses can become corrupt.
2. A role of government should be to protect the public from corruption in the private sector.
3. Government can become corrupt.
4. Without the ability to be critical of both private business and government, how will anything ever change? This is why freedom of speech was designated as the 1st amendment.

You have no democracy without freedom of speech. Free speech is the cornerstone of democracy yet how many talking heads are state the opposite that it's a "threat to our democracy". If you think censorship is only ever going to work in your favor, you're a fool.

Lol. The first amendment doesn't protect you from the social or business repercussions of telling lies. It only says government can't limit your speech.

Private parties and businesses can punish you for your statements by refusing to associate with you. As has always been the case.

Freedom of association is a right we all enjoy.
That liberty in a free society ensures the right of private parties to associate, as against third parties, and the right not to associate as well—that is, the right to discriminate for any reason, good or bad, or no reason at all. The exceptions at common law were for monopolies and common carriers.

 

[beast blazer]

Lol. The first amendment doesn't protect you from the social or business repercussions of telling lies. It only says government can't limit your speech.

Private parties and businesses can punish you for your statements by refusing to associate with you. As has always been the case.

1. This is not limited to private business
2. I never said it was a violation of the 1st amendment, I said the first amendment was created because the founders understood the value of free speech.
3. I refer you to the questions posed in the original post, about exclusion from society based on disagreeing. But it seems you apparently are in favor of those things, so there isn't much use in talking to you about it further.

 

[Phatguysrule]

1. This is not limited to private business

I do not support government discriminating. That is unconstitutional. If this is happening I'm sure the ACLU is all over it. And if they aren't, they should be.

2. I never said it was a violation of the 1st amendment, I said the first amendment was created because the founders understood the value of free speech.
3. I refer you to the questions posed in the original post, about exclusion from society based on disagreeing. But it seems you apparently are in favor of those things, so there isn't much use in talking to you about it further.

Freedom Of Association guarantees it.

Consider simply the freedom of association right. That liberty in a free society ensures the right of private parties to associate, as against third parties, and the right not to associate as well—that is, the right to discriminate for any reason, good or bad, or no reason at all. The exceptions at common law were for monopolies and common carriers.

 

[yankeesince59]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Take a look into the mirror.

Jews are a race. That is a protected class.

I'm not sure what mirror you're referring to. I wouldn't want to do business with any company that was discriminating against Jews, "left-wing scum", or environmentalists. Those companies would see their bottom line take a hit, and there would be alternative opportunities with more upstanding institutions for those who were being discriminated against to do business with.

And if there were a national bank that handled basic services with no fees it simply wouldn't matter. We'd be a much stronger country and have much less poverty as a result. And we'd have much better private banks as well.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

How?

I've done so



How?



USPS has many locations owned and staffed by the government who could offer ATM and basic banking needs with very little effort or ramp up


Yes. As long as they aren't a protected class of people or for a protected reason.


I'm not following you. I don't see how this is related to my post.


I'm not sure what elite entity you're referring to or how giving people a right to basic banking has anything to do with this elite entity.


Being associated with crooks and snake oil salesman can be a hazard to a company.


I'm not following your logic. No business should be forced to do business with crooks or con men. These people have the right to say these lies, but no business should be forced to enable them to profit by telling lies that harm the economy and country as a whole..

ohh. Boy. Where to even start…


You have way too much trust in the government if you want them to handle our personal/private banking.
Id much prefer the gov prevent banking cohersion vs taking over the banking for the government to then manipulate.

Anyhow, i think your thinking on this os way off base…


You said so much in this paot you dodnt say i nthe other.
Of course businesses shoildnt be forced to deal woth criminals, but that isnt what you said. You said antivaxers and those who claim false truths, which also isnt a crime.
It was not illegal to not get a vaccine, so you are clearly tossing out contradicting statements and then correcting yourself later without admitting it.

Are you going to claim you have never said something not factual?
And who determiens the fact? Based on your antivaxer comment, its opinion based. Not factual.

you have completely run a circle with your opinions on this.
One minute its companies shouldnt have to deal with those they disagree with politically, to “they shouldnt have to deal with criminals”.
Are you saying antivaxers are criminals? Thar would be an intentionally false claim and you should be banned from this site for purposely staring false information.
Blazers should never allow you in to see their games because you intentional and falsely claimed antivaxers are criminals.
see how that works? Something tells me you dont though.

Nobody said anything aBout businesses having to do business with criminals.
Having a political opinion is not a crime, in case you weren't aware…

Can pro lifers deny business to pro abortionists?

can anti gun people deny business to gun owners?

the path you are wanting to walk down will lead to our downfall.

Can hospitals deny health to pro natural healing believers?

The list can go on and on. But you changed the topic to criminals out of the blue.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

And what i did say, i didn't mean. I actually meant….

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Hey. Those who dont get enough vitamin c are more susceptible to getting the flu. Those who dont make sure they have enough vitamin c in their system are a health risk and should be denied doing business with anyone because its a crime!!!


What crazy logic being tossed around in here….

 

[Phatguysrule]

ohh. Boy. Where to even start…


You have way too much trust in the government if you want them to handle our personal/private banking.
Id much prefer the gov prevent banking cohersion vs taking over the banking for the government to then manipulate.

Many governments offer these services. It would force banks to be less predatory or risk losing good clients. This would help prevent collusion among banks and help empower our marginalized populations.

Anyhow, i think your thinking on this os way off base…

That's fine. It's alright to disagree.

You said so much in this paot you dodnt say i nthe other.
Of course businesses shoildnt be forced to deal woth criminals, but that isnt what you said. You said antivaxers and those who claim false truths, which also isnt a crime.
It was not illegal to not get a vaccine, so you are clearly tossing out contradicting statements and then correcting yourself later without admitting it.

I don't think I said anything about criminals, which would be a person convicted of a crime. I specifically said "crooks" instead, because I was referring to somebody who is dishonest or untrustworthy.

Are you going to claim you have never said something not factual?
And who determiens the fact? Based on your antivaxer comment, its opinion based. Not factual.

I'm not following you.

you have completely run a circle with your opinions on this.
One minute its companies shouldnt have to deal with those they disagree with politically, to “they shouldnt have to deal with criminals”.
Are you saying antivaxers are criminals? Thar would be an intentionally false claim and you should be banned from this site for purposely staring false information.
Blazers should never allow you in to see their games because you intentional and falsely claimed antivaxers are criminals.
see how that works? Something tells me you dont though.

Yeah, I didn't say criminals. But the Blazers can ban anybody from games that they want.

Nobody said anything aBout businesses having to do business with criminals.
Having a political opinion is not a crime, in case you weren't aware…

I didn't claim an opinion was a crime.

Can pro lifers deny business to pro abortionists?

Sure.

can anti gun people deny business to gun owners?

Yes, I'm pretty sure they can.

the path you are wanting to walk down will lead to our downfall.

I disagree.

Can hospitals deny health to pro natural healing believers?

No, hospitals are required by law to give care to anybody who needs it.

The list can go on and on. But you changed the topic to criminals out of the blue.

I don't think I said anything about criminals...

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Many governments offer these services. It would force banks to be less predatory or risk losing good clients. This would help prevent collusion among banks and help empower our marginalized populations.


That's fine. It's alright to disagree.



I don't think I said anything about criminals, which would be a person convicted of a crime. I specifically said "crooks" instead, because I was referring to somebody who is dishonest or untrustworthy.

I'm not following you.


Yeah, I didn't say criminals. But the Blazers can ban anybody from games that they want.


I didn't claim an opinion was a crime.


Sure.


Yes, I'm pretty sure they can.


I disagree.

No, hospitals are required by law to give care to anybody who needs it.


I don't think I said anything about criminals...

crooks aNd con men vs criminals. Semantics.

You want to deny business to those who have not broke the law because of thier political stance… thats a bad path. We shall have to agree to disagree.

 

[Shaboid]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dr. Mercola's has a business where he sells various supplements and writes articles on natural health. Some may not like that, and thing those things distract from getting modern medical care or whatever. Which is fine, you have a right to your view, though I think what he's selling is less toxic that someone selling alcohol.

But things like this have been creeping up on us, and the things that make you a "deplorable" worthy of such ostratization gets wider and wider. This is NOT a good path for our society.

Or it could be as easy as company selling sketchy medical products isn't processing customer refunds when asked so customers are going to their bank and asked to make whole. Banks will close your shit down if you cost them money.

This isn't the Guberment telling Chase to do anything.

Or...

This is a giant conspiracy of the guberment telling banks to hide the truth.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

(Apparently it's not just the private sector; the federal government's also allegedly part of this conspiracy...)

Also what gets people kicked out of their Airbnb like this person is claiming there will only be 2 people using the rental and showing up with more.