Soldiers behaving badly

[THE HCP]

And as a bonus, I got to blow shit up and kill some people......... and got a great deal and alot of help on our first house.

 

[julius]

You'll have to provide some example of these lowered standards. If anything, they need a higher standard of recruit - people with police training and especially technically savvy enough to pilot drones.

um. seriously?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308880,00.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2008/01/dumb_and_dumber.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89702118

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-09-army-recruiting_x.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-2074099.html

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,78111,00.html

http://www.veteransunited.com/network/new-military-recruiting-standards-signal-the-end-of-an-era/

Seriously, you're going to sit there and act like they haven't lowered standards?

 

[Denny Crane]

Do you read your own links?

They're talking about 2600 army recruits.

"The U.S. Army recruited more than 2,600 soldiers under new lower aptitude standards this year, helping the service beat its goal of 80,000 recruits in the throes of an unpopular war and mounting casualties."

 

[Denny Crane]

Or your last link:

That option is becoming less available as the military begins to scale down in earnest, especially the Army, where recruiting requirements are increasingly more stringent and more soldiers are finding themselves unable to reenlist. Also, with the poor job market for many college graduates, more recruits with at least some college under their belts are seeking job experience through the military.

In short, it is becoming more competitive than ever to secure a spot in our nation’s Armed Forces.

...

Army officials hope to accomplish most of the necessary cuts through increased recruiting standards and voluntary separations.

 

[PapaG]

You're telling me that the military hasn't lowered the standards for what they accept in recruits, by pointing out a guy who enlisted in 1962?

There was a military draft for much of the late 60s and early 70s. The only standards were that you could walk and talk.

 

[jlprk]

This short article is full of soldiers behaving badly. They followed Bush policy; they weren't rogues disobeying orders.

http://archive.truthout.org/iraq-wa...t-people-and-officers-would-take-care-us58378

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Come on HCP... hurray for killing people? Towel heads? You think if we had "lost" the first gulf war, we wouldn't have the freedom to post on S2? Don't prove him right, fams.

 

[DeanMoriarty]

After reading about American soldiers and the type of people who usually decide to be them, it's hard for me to even respect them.

Wow, you come off as a real jerkoff.

I have family and friends serving and they're not assholes or anything. They're respectable people with strong ethical guidelines.

I mean, seriously, have you actually gone outside of your little suburb in Tualatin and actually meet REAL soldiers from other areas and other backgrounds? I'm not talking about a bunch of dumb high school aged trigger pullers. And I'm not talking about some Michael Moore documentary or some article you read on TruthLeftyPeaceNow.org or whatever. I mean, you do understand that, contrary to what you see on TV, the military isn't all just shooting people up and bombing things, right?

Go and meet some real people who joined up and not the idiots who have obviously clouded your judgment.

Otherwise, get off your high horse.

Btw, here's a list of renown leaders, actors, writers, etc who have served so don't get me this BS about only dumb people going off to fight/join the service:

George Washington
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Teddy Roosevelt
Everyone from Truman-Bush Sr.

John Coltrane
Johnny Cash
Kris Kristofferson

T.E. Lawrence

Gene Hackman
Mel Brooks
Charles Durning
Gene Wilder
James Earl Jones
Clint Eastwood
Paul Newman
James Stewart
Ice-T
Dennis Hopper
Drew Carrey
Oliver Stone

Ernest Hemingway
F Scott. Fitzgerald
Thomas Pynchon
William Faulkner (disputed)
Jack Kerouac
Joseph Heller
Hunter S. Thompson
Kurt Vonnegut
Gore Vidal
J RR Tolkien

Pat Tilman
Randy Couture
Joe Lewis
Joe DiMaggio
Jackie Robinson
David Robinson
Yogi Berra

etc, etc

 

[BrianFromWA]

Man, did I pick the wrong day to log back in.

 

[jlprk]

Wow, you come off as a real jerkoff. I have family and friends serving and they're not assholes or anything. They're respectable people with strong ethical guidelines.

They oppose killing hundreds of thousands of human beings? How do they function in the military?

 

[Denny Crane]

To be fair to VG, he wrote about who goes to the front line, not just who serves.

If people need a "right now" example, Brian seems like a perfectly good one. Seems like one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. Incredibly smart. A nuclear scientist. Dedicated.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

To be fair to VG, he wrote about who goes to the front line, not just who serves.

If people need a "right now" example, Brian seems like a perfectly good one. Seems like one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. Incredibly smart. A nuclear scientist. Dedicated.

naw..VG made a statement and followed that up with several more posts defending his belief. Unlike HCP, I am offended. But I do realize that his opinion is a product of his limited perspective and experience. For that I give him a pass.

Others here would rather drag the topic into the weeds..

I did not watch the video from the point where I realized that harm was to be done to helpless animals for no reason.

To say that this is exclusive to or symptomatiac of Our military is foolish as well as wrong. Look to the often promoted by OPB web page of Reddit..I have seen posts there of young teens throwing dogs to their death off of bridges..for "lols" Where is your collective outrage on this?

Every sub set has a percentage of defective people. That is the reason for Our penal system. For the military it is the UCMJ I have faith that those involved wll be heald accountable, as have those in past actions.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Fuck this thread.

 

[huevonkiller]

I mostly agree with VG, a monocentric legal system is doomed for failure as well. Central planning is expensive and inefficient.

 

[THE HCP]

Nice list^....... but my name isn't on it.

 

[THE HCP]

I mostly agree with VG, a monocentric legal system is doomed for failure as well. Central planning is expensive and inefficient.

I'll be in Miami for 2 days, you buying The HCP drinks?

 

[MARIS61]

You'll have to provide some example of these lowered standards. If anything, they need a higher standard of recruit - people with police training and especially technically savvy enough to pilot drones.

Any 8 year old can pilot a drone.

 

[MARIS61]

Quite a few of our presidents were military. Eisenhower was the military governor of Germany and MacArthur was the military governor of Japan. These guys were among the smartest people our country has had. They, and most of the US military commanders were at the front lines. The US military colleges are very old and quite exclusive. All of the officers are college graduates. The really smart guys who don't go to college advance as non-commissioned officers.

Dozens of Generals died in WW II on the front line.

Where was George Washington crossing the Delaware if not on the front lines?

Just sayin'

Those days are long gone.

Last US general to die in combat was Keith Ware in Vietnam when his helicopter was shot down in 1968.

Major General Keith Lincoln Ware (November 23, 1915 - September 13, 1968) was an United States Army officer, who received the Medal of Honor in World War II, and was killed in action while commanding a division during the Vietnam War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_L._Ware

 

[MARIS61]

You'll have to provide some example of these lowered standards.

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