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The problem is when Dame and CJ takes 40 or more shots we had losing record. Plus it's how they take those shots there's was one on one shots. Those 3 players from the warriors that majority of them shots was from ball movement not from isolation like Dame and CJ does and that a big difference. I don't mind them taking 35 shots as long it through some ball movement.

Do you have the breakdown? Your original contention was 35-40 shots and now it's 40 shots and more. What was our record with 40 or more shots and what was our record with 35-40 shots?
 
Do you have the breakdown? Your original contention was 35-40 shots and now it's 40 shots and more. What was our record with 40 or more shots and what was our record with 35-40 shots?
Here there record when Dame and CJ shot over 40 shots. It was 9-19 not real good that was regular season.
 
Here there record when Dame and CJ shot over 40 shots. It was 9-19 not real good that was regular season.

Well it's an interesting stat although, i'm not sure it's as simple as just saying 40 shots or more as often times in losses it was because other players wouldn't or couldn't shoot that game leaving the burden on both McCollum and Lillard. I still stand by their average attempts per game are within reason considering the supporting cast they have had in the past several years.
 
Give the kid a break. It's not the worst article I've read. Being a sportswriter can be tough. When I write my articles, I know a lot of people aren't going to agree with everything I say. Yeah, the kid could use an editor. There are multiple grammatical errors, word choice issues, as well as some sentence structure problems. I have been writing awhile and I often find I will miss a misspelled word and such, here and there....

I've got to say despite his lack of editing, the kid suceeded. We are talking about his article. That is the job of any writer. Not for everyone to agree with what is said, but for it to create discussion, argument. I'd say it has done just that.

I'll agree and disagree with you. Yes, we all mis-spell words. We all make errors in grammar. But the issue for me is the frequency - there are 15 paragraphs in his article and I can easily find a dozen errors. Most of the errors are forgivable by themselves, but when you put them all together, they don't paint a favorable picture of the author's ability to use the written English language correctly.

And yes, it's a big deal. If you're correct that the author's goal was simply to have his article talked about, then he is to be congratulated. He's achieved the same level of success that the National Enquirer has. But if the author's goal is to be persuasive in the sharing of his opinion, then he hasn't succeeded with me or (I'm guessing) with many others. Why? When I read or hear a communication that is trying to be persuasive, credibility is a huge factor. If the author/speaker gets objective facts wrong, it leads me to believe that the author's/speakers' opinions are less credible (in communication theory, this is known as an evaluation of logos). If the author/speaker cannot clearly communicate a point or if I have to guess what that point actually is, then again I'm less likely to believe in the credibility of the opinions of the author speaker (an evaluation of ethos).

It's not the worst article I've read, either. But it's far from adequate, IMHO. His essential opinion - "backcourts in the modern NBA cannot win you a championship" gets overshadowed by all the errors, at least to me.
 
I'll agree and disagree with you. Yes, we all mis-spell words. We all make errors in grammar. But the issue for me is the frequency - there are 15 paragraphs in his article and I can easily find a dozen errors. Most of the errors are forgivable by themselves, but when you put them all together, they don't paint a favorable picture of the author's ability to use the written English language correctly.

And yes, it's a big deal. If you're correct that the author's goal was simply to have his article talked about, then he is to be congratulated. He's achieved the same level of success that the National Enquirer has. But if the author's goal is to be persuasive in the sharing of his opinion, then he hasn't succeeded with me or (I'm guessing) with many others. Why? When I read or hear a communication that is trying to be persuasive, credibility is a huge factor. If the author/speaker gets objective facts wrong, it leads me to believe that the author's/speakers' opinions are less credible (in communication theory, this is known as an evaluation of logos). If the author/speaker cannot clearly communicate a point or if I have to guess what that point actually is, then again I'm less likely to believe in the credibility of the opinions of the author speaker (an evaluation of ethos).

It's not the worst article I've read, either. But it's far from adequate, IMHO. His essential opinion - "backcourts in the modern NBA cannot win you a championship" gets overshadowed by all the errors, at least to me.

Fair enough
 

sure reads like he was basing most of it on Klay being injured. That's a duh factor. Meanwhile, the other guy kept saying that Curry is good at defense. He's average, at best

IMO, Curry is better than Dame and Klay is better than CJ...when all are healthy. And Curry/Klay have better synergy than Dame/CJ although some of that synergy is because of Green, an advantage Dame/CJ don't have

now, Dame/CJ may very well be better than Curry/Russell, depending on how the latter pair mesh, but Russell was probably as good, or better, last year as CJ,
 
Give the kid a break. It's not the worst article I've read. Being a sportswriter can be tough. When I write my articles, I know a lot of people aren't going to agree with everything I say. Yeah, the kid could use an editor. There are multiple grammatical errors, word choice issues, as well as some sentence structure problems. I have been writing awhile and I often find I will miss a misspelled word and such, here and there.

Let's breakdown what he is saying. Are the backcourt of Lillard and McCollum underachieving? It's hard to agree with. They are one of the best backcourt duos in the NBA. They have been in the league on the Blazers for 6 years together. They just got a 4 and 3 year extention, which will keep them together through 2022. A combined $296 million is a big chunk of change. It doesn't take much thought to come to the conclusion that they are worth it. You have to extend Lillard. McCollum, at the price the Blazers got him, why not? What is the Blazers alternative? They could probably trade CJ and try another shooting guard next to Lillard. That is a suitable argument. But, he didn't offer who the Blazers could trade for shooting guard wise.

The kid moves on with the argument that the NBA is no longer a league where a team can win a championship with their star players in the backcourt. That a star at the 3 or 4 is needed. Does this hold true? Could the Blazers trade CJ for a Star 3 or 4 and win it all? Probably not. It is not that simple.

He offers the example of Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson as the only team to win a recent championship with a star powered backcourt. Though the Warriors have had other stars to help. Kevin Durant for one, though they have won without him. Draymond Green has been a key piece, going to his argument. Andre Iguodala. Alone, without those guys, could Curry and Thompson win a championship? Have other backcourt duos won?

Toronto had Kawhi. Cleveland had Lebron. Miami had Wade/Lebron/Bosh, Lakers had Kobe/Shaq, San Antonio had Duncan and Parker, etc etc. No teams who have relied heavily on a backcourt duo alone, have won it all. It is a good argument.

He then questions why we just extended McCollum and makes the claim that they aren't championship worthy. I think that is an over tough assessment. Yeah teams have double teamed them in the playoffs and stopped them, but we saw both of them get past that last postseason at times. You have to look at the players that surround them for a better answer. It takes a team to win a championship.

The Blazers upgraded their bench last season and it paid off. The Blazers made the conference finals without Jusuf Nurkic and a one armed Kanter. That is pretty damned good. So, you pay Lillard and you pay McCollum because there has been progress. Keeping them here and further upgrading the team is the best chance of winning a trophy for Portland.

This offseason has been insane. The Blazers have completely transformed the team. They are arguably better than last year. He maintains the Blazers backcourt will have to score 45 a game to get anywhere. So what? They are going to score that anyway. But, the Blazers have more than just Lillard and McCollum. Nurkic will return later in the season. They have Whiteside and Gasol, to hold down the center position till then. The Blazers have Bazemore and Hood. They have Simons and Collins. Etc. The Blazers have a chance to match or best last season. Yeah, they will habe to rely on some young players to break out. That can be scary.

So, are Lillard and McCollum underachievers? They have been here six years together and have made the 2nd round three times, and the conference finals last year. I would say they have achieved what they could and more with what they have had to work with.

The kid then says that their playing styles are unsustainable. I don't know about that. I think may that is a word choice issue. I would say they aren't compatible because their styles rely on them having the ball. They could work more on playing through each other, rather than next to each other. Sure.

Then come the scenarios. I don't see the Blazers starting Nassir Little. I could see Neil trading Whiteside/Bazemore for Love, Griffin, or perhaps ugh, Aldridge. I could also see him play the season out. The word investment comes up a lot in the article. Is trading for the long term, beomoth contracts of injury prone players like Love and Griffin a good investment? Maybe.

Maybe history is against the Blazers and that is ok. It has been a while since Portland has won a championship. 42 long years. The Blazers serious runs for the trophy have been decades in between and they haven't been able to get back their yet. But, hey the Blazers got to the conference finals last year. So, why give up and say maybe this or that will happen, but really it's futile the Blazers won't make it. The west is wide open. Instead of asking why, how about why not?

I've got to say despite his lack of editing, the kid suceeded. We are talking about his article. That is the job of any writer. Not for everyone to agree with what is said, but for it to create discussion, argument. I'd say it has done just that.

tl,dr
 
sure reads like he was basing most of it on Klay being injured. That's a duh factor. Meanwhile, the other guy kept saying that Curry is good at defense. He's average, at best

IMO, Curry is better than Dame and Klay is better than CJ...when all are healthy. And Curry/Klay have better synergy than Dame/CJ although some of that synergy is because of Green, an advantage Dame/CJ don't have

now, Dame/CJ may very well be better than Curry/Russell, depending on how the latter pair mesh, but Russell was probably as good, or better, last year as CJ,

In the playoffs last year I agree.

But this coming year; Curry is old and too high mileage to provide the regular season Dame or CJ can. Klay will be rusty as hell, an ACL isn't as easy to come back from as even Nurk bone break.

So I agree Curry Klay WERE a much better duo, but that ship has sailed, and they may never be 90% of what they were.
 
In the playoffs last year I agree.

But this coming year; Curry is old and too high mileage to provide the regular season Dame or CJ can. Klay will be rusty as hell, an ACL isn't as easy to come back from as even Nurk bone break.

So I agree Curry Klay WERE a much better duo, but that ship has sailed, and they may never be 90% of what they were.

wow...that's a lot to unpack

I'm beginning to think that the Warriors are the new Spurs in that all type of epitaphs are being written and people are burying them....way too soon

"Curry is old and too high mileage to provide the regular season Dame or CJ can"...c'mon man, that's going wildly overboard don't you think? Curry at 35 could easily be better than CJ ever is. As far as his age and mileage: Curry is only 2 years older than Dame and has played 28,000 minutes compared to Dame at 22,000. Lebron is 4 years older than Curry and has played 56,000 minutes. Twice as much as Curry and he was still the best player in the game at 50,000 minutes. If what you say about Curry's mileage is true then keep this in mind: when Dame is Curry's age he'll have played in more games and have more minutes than Curry does now....and he'll have 4 years of his super-max contract ahead of him and so will Portland

as for Klay and his ACL...sure, it could mean he's less of a player than he was. But that's not the only possible outcome. There are reasons to think he'll recover just fine:
https://clutchpoints.com/how-does-klay-thompsons-acl-tear-impact-his-nba-future/

if it hurts his game much it will likely be on defense (it may limit his lateral reactions and mobility), not on offense.

the obituary on the splash brothers is a little premature IMO
 
I like to go to the library to check out book's on how good the blazers will be next year.
 
wow...that's a lot to unpack

I'm beginning to think that the Warriors are the new Spurs in that all type of epitaphs are being written and people are burying them....way too soon

"Curry is old and too high mileage to provide the regular season Dame or CJ can"...c'mon man, that's going wildly overboard don't you think? Curry at 35 could easily be better than CJ ever is. As far as his age and mileage: Curry is only 2 years older than Dame and has played 28,000 minutes compared to Dame at 22,000. Lebron is 4 years older than Curry and has played 56,000 minutes. Twice as much as Curry and he was still the best player in the game at 50,000 minutes. If what you say about Curry's mileage is true then keep this in mind: when Dame is Curry's age he'll have played in more games and have more minutes than Curry does now....and he'll have 4 years of his super-max contract ahead of him and so will Portland

as for Klay and his ACL...sure, it could mean he's less of a player than he was. But that's not the only possible outcome. There are reasons to think he'll recover just fine:
https://clutchpoints.com/how-does-klay-thompsons-acl-tear-impact-his-nba-future/

if it hurts his game much it will likely be on defense (it may limit his lateral reactions and mobility), not on offense.

the obituary on the splash brothers is a little premature IMO

Curry's actually minutes may not be that much greater than Lillard's, but he has also missed a lot of games due to injury (mostly ankle) and then having to rehab. That takes a lot of toll on a body as it would be similar to working on a car that frequently breaks down. It may still work fine after being fixed, but it's likely not as good as a well maintained car with very few issues. That 6,000 more minutes than Lillard is also close to 3 more seasons and at the age of 31 would be equal to the age of 34.
 

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