Some high praise from Larry Brown

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Nikolokolus

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By Wendell Maxey via Hoopsworld: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Blogs/CourtsideBlog.asp?GAME_ID=28868&LEAGUE_CODE=NBA

Larry Brown has never been at a loss for words.

Minutes after Charlotte fell hard to Portland, Bobcats head coach had nothing but praise for the Blazers – a team who now eleven games over .500 and have their eyes set upon a postseason run.

"I'd like to be the Blazers," Larry Brown said when asked how Portland stacks-up out West.

"They have done a marvelous job; they have a good coaching staff. Nate is really special. They quality guys sitting there and you can see the young guys improving. Any time soon they are going to have as good a power forward we have in our league, as good a center we have in our league and as good a two-guard we have in our league – if not know.

"Kevin (Pritchard) has done a wonderful job. I love where they are. I think if you ask any GM in the league, that is as good as any young group in our league.

For Portland, this was more than another win against an injury riddled team.

This was LaMarcus Aldridge playing another All-Star worthy outing. This was Greg Oden posting his team leading fourteenth double-double, easily stringing together some of his best basketball of the season. This was Brandon Roy picking his spots. This was Jerryd Bayless making a mark.

This was just what the Blazers needed knowing what awaits.
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Cool. Thanks for sharing. KP got some props from Larry Brown. I guess that's better than an "F U" from some anonymous GM, huh?
 
Larry Brown thinks Nate's a good coach? Go figure.

But what does he know about coaching anyways. A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of people on this forum (think they) know a lot more about coaching than Larry and Nate put together.
 
And that is why you add someone like Vince Carter to put us over the top this season. If we can get Carter for table scraps, we would be stupid not to do it. He could be that piece that put pulls it all together. We've seen this team's potential, but they have been unable to maintain a high level of play consistently. Sometimes they coast (like tonight). Someone like Carter could stop that.
 
It's high praise, indeed, when you consider that Nate is a Wolfpack alum and Larry is a Tarheel.
 
yenniedn said:
Larry Brown thinks Nate's a good coach? Go figure.

But what does he know about coaching anyways. A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of people on this forum (think they) know a lot more about coaching than Larry and Nate put together.
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I agree. I'm surprised Larry Brown didn't call him out about his offense, defensive scheme, inability to get GO the ball more, and his lack of success as an NBA coach. Larry Brown clearly doesn't understand basketball near as well as the posters on here...
 
Natebishop3 said:
And that is why you add someone like Vince Carter to put us over the top this season. If we can get Carter for table scraps, we would be stupid not to do it. He could be that piece that put pulls it all together. We've seen this team's potential, but they have been unable to maintain a high level of play consistently. Sometimes they coast (like tonight). Someone like Carter could stop that.
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They coasted a little on offense, but defensively I thought the team actually played the pick and roll better than I've seen them do it in ... well ... I can't remember us ever playing the pick and roll well defensively.

But in any case, I'd love to add Vince to this roster. He wouldn't be a long term answer at the 3 and he's never been what I would call a lock-down defender, but he'd give us more than we are currently getting on a consistent basis from the small forward spot.
 
They jumped out on the PNR tonight, and that seemed to work.
 
Nikolokolus said:
But in any case, I'd love to add Vince to this roster. He wouldn't be a long term answer at the 3 and he's never been what I would call a lock-down defender, but he'd give us more than we are currently getting on a consistent basis from the small forward spot.
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I agree, but we don't need him to be the longer term answer, because we have Batum and Martell. If Vince can hold down the fort for 3-4 more years while either Batum or Webster develop, that would be ideal. That's the thing that people need to wrap their heads around. We can afford to bring in an older star because we don't need any more young guys. We have young talent at every position. We can bring in an older star, let him start until his tanks are empty, and then move one of our young guys into his spot. It's win/win.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I agree, but we don't need him to be the longer term answer, because we have Batum and Martell. If Vince can hold down the fort for 3-4 more years while either Batum or Webster develop, that would be ideal. That's the thing that people need to wrap their heads around. We can afford to bring in an older star because we don't need any more young guys. We have young talent at every position. We can bring in an older star, let him start until his tanks are empty, and then move one of our young guys into his spot. It's win/win.
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I think you misunderstood (or I did a poor job of being clear) I like Batum as the long term answer in a few years when he's not so raw offensively and he's put on a little bit more muscle. I'm totally OK with adding an aged vet who will only be around for 2 or 3 years while some of the youngins mature into their roles.
 
yenniedn said:
Larry Brown thinks Nate's a good coach? Go figure.

But what does he know about coaching anyways. A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of people on this forum (think they) know a lot more about coaching than Larry and Nate put together.
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it wouldn't be possible to do a worse coaching job than larry brown did in his two jobs prior to becoming the bobcats head coach.
 
maxiep said:
It's high praise, indeed, when you consider that Nate is a Wolfpack alum and Larry is a Tarheel.
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Maybe so, but wasn't Larry Brown the coach at Kansas when KP helped the Jayhawks to the national title?
 
rocketeer said:
it wouldn't be possible to do a worse coaching job than larry brown did in his two jobs prior to becoming the bobcats head coach.
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Regardless, I'll never open my pie hole and say that I know more about basketball (or coaching basketball) than he or Nate or pretty much any NBA coach does.

It's pretty comical that the CPA's, janitors, truck drivers, sales guys, marketing people, high school kids and etc. on here often tell these guys how to do their jobs.
 
Fair point, yennie...but what about the other side of that argument?

If a truck-driving, high-school CPA who cleans his own bathrooms can see things like: we're giving up a great many points on pick-and-roll defense, there's a pretty extreme correlation between 3pt shooting and wins for this team, and Greg Oden's picking up a ton of fouls by switching onto a PG 18 feet from the hoop...if THAT guy can see it, you don't think Sloan, Jackson, and Popovich can? And devise a way to use it against us?
 
BrianFromWA said:
Fair point, yennie...but what about the other side of that argument?

If a truck-driving, high-school CPA who cleans his own bathrooms can see things like: we're giving up a great many points on pick-and-roll defense, there's a pretty extreme correlation between 3pt shooting and wins for this team, and Greg Oden's picking up a ton of fouls by switching onto a PG 18 feet from the hoop...if THAT guy can see it, you don't think Sloan, Jackson, and Popovich can? And devise a way to use it against us?
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Fair point on your end as well. However, unless I'm privy to all the things that go on in every practice, in the locker room, team meetings and such, I'm not going to mouth off and say that Nate isn't doing anything to address any of the dozens of things we wannabe coaches accuse him of every single day.

We've got a loaded owner who's demonstated time and time again that he's willing to spend the money to put a winning team on the floor and a GM that just about everyone thinks walks on water . . . so I'd have to trust that they have some inkling of intelligence when they put their heads together and went out and got a coach for this team. Bottom line for me is: I don't propose do know more about basketball than Nate, KP, Paul Allen or anyone else in the Blazers front office. And I certainly don't think that I know more than ALL of them put together. And anyone here that thinks that, is either an ass or needs to be hired on by the Blazers PRONTO!
 
rocketeer said:
it wouldn't be possible to do a worse coaching job than larry brown did in his two jobs prior to becoming the bobcats head coach.
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What two jobs would that be? Yeah, the Knicks were a disaster, but that was more the fault of the GM than the coach.

And, the job before that was the Pistons. In two season's in Detroit, he took the team to two NBA finals. They beat a Lakers team featuring Shaq, Kobe, Malone and Payton the first time and lost to the Spurs in 7 games the second time. And you consider this a bad job? Seriously, two finals appearances in two years? I'd take that anytime.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
What two jobs would that be? Yeah, the Knicks were a disaster, but that was more the fault of the GM than the coach.

And, the job before that was the Pistons. In two season's in Detroit, he took the team to two NBA finals. They beat a Lakers team featuring Shaq, Kobe, Malone and Payton the first time and lost to the Spurs in 7 games the second time. And you consider this a bad job? Seriously, two finals appearances in two years? I'd take that anytime.

BNM
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knicks and team usa. i guess brown technically was still the coach of the pistons the season after that, but he was already trying to get out. eh, i guess that's bad wording too. i always just think of his last two jobs being the knicks and team usa though team usa was during his time with the pistons.

with the knicks, they won 33 games the year before larry brown. with larry brown they won 23 games. the next year with isiah, back to 33.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
And that is why you add someone like Vince Carter to put us over the top this season. If we can get Carter for table scraps, we would be stupid not to do it. He could be that piece that put pulls it all together. We've seen this team's potential, but they have been unable to maintain a high level of play consistently. Sometimes they coast (like tonight). Someone like Carter could stop that.
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Huh???:confused:

No, no, no, no, no, no.:tsktsk:

Bake it!:chef:
 
rocketeer said:
it wouldn't be possible to do a worse coaching job than larry brown did in his two jobs prior to becoming the bobcats head coach.
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Uh, no. Did you see the Knicks under Isiah Thomas?? They were worse than the Knicks under Larry Brown.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And that is why you add someone like Vince Carter to put us over the top this season. If we can get Carter for table scraps, we would be stupid not to do it. He could be that piece that put pulls it all together. We've seen this team's potential, but they have been unable to maintain a high level of play consistently. Sometimes they coast (like tonight). Someone like Carter could stop that.
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That is why you ad Vince Carter?! When has Carter put anyone "over the top"?

You don't want the team to coast, yet you're suggesting we get a player who has coasted in this league for years?
 
julius said:
That is why you ad Vince Carter?! When has Carter put anyone "over the top"?

You don't want the team to coast, yet you're suggesting we get a player who has coasted in this league for years?
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No he hasn't. The only time Carter ever coasted was the 20 games at the start of the 2004-05 season when he wanted out of Toronto. And while sandbaging because you want a trade is not an admirable quality, the 57 games he played in New Jersey that season after the trade was some of the best ball of his NBA career (highest scoring average and second highest PER). The two years after that were pretty darn good, too. He was down a little last year, but he had a few minor injuries and losing Jason Kidd hurt his game. Part of that is natural decline as he's now in his 30s, but he's back to averaging over 20 PPG and has a PER over 20.

I definitely wouldn't want him as my go to guy, or team leader, but we don't need him to be with Brandon Roy on the team. He'd be a solid 2nd or 3rd scoring option and a huge upgrade at SF over what we currently have. Yes, he'll probably only be so for another 2 or 3 years, but by then our younger players will be ready to take over and he can either be let go or slide into a 6th man type role. We're not looking for Carter to lead this team, we're just looking for an upgrade at or weakest position - and Carter is a significant upgrade.

BNM
 
rocketeer said:
it wouldn't be possible to do a worse coaching job than larry brown did in his two jobs prior to becoming the bobcats head coach.
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Ya, but when you do a great job in your other 15 (give or take) stops, I'll give him a flyer. Larry Brown is one of the best all-time and if he is down with Nate (as is just about every other NBA'er in the know), I'd say we have a pretty good coach here.
 
Vince makes $15 million a year, and for the next 4. The Nets have to consider him a heck of a long-term liability.

Are they cheap enough to swap Raef + Trout for him?

I would *definitely* be stoked with this deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=136~454~2015&teams=22~17~17&te=&cash=

I like Trout, but the dude still has no IQ, and it hurts. Vince could be the guy who leads at the SF role while Batum/Web grow up. It would make us contenders THIS YEAR.

iWatas
 
jwhoops11 said:
Ya, but when you do a great job in your other 15 (give or take) stops, I'll give him a flyer. Larry Brown is one of the best all-time and if he is down with Nate (as is just about every other NBA'er in the know), I'd say we have a pretty good coach here.
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You will note, that it took not only a coaching change, but GM change to move the climate in NY to a positive atmosphere. Nothing good was going to happen with Isiah in charge there.
 
rocketeer said:
knicks and team usa. i guess brown technically was still the coach of the pistons the season after that, but he was already trying to get out. eh, i guess that's bad wording too. i always just think of his last two jobs being the knicks and team usa though team usa was during his time with the pistons.

with the knicks, they won 33 games the year before larry brown. with larry brown they won 23 games. the next year with isiah, back to 33.
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I'd blame others for the 2004 Olympic team besides just the guy who coached them. The selection committee would easily be first in line though as they didn't seem to give a thought towards putting together a team of complimentary talents for the international game. The players themselves were not fully committed... 10 out of 12 guys from the previous years FIBA squad declined offers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_men's_national_basketball_team

STOMP
 
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