some more encouraging news

[BGrantFan]

My point is that just because some little shrimp likes cajun food doesn't mean he can handle salmon. There's a good-sized chance he'll get worse here.

I'm willing to take that chance. Aldridge would instantly be better, and Roy would finally get to play SG without having to carry a dud/bad shooter/white guy at PG.

 

[jlprk]

Giving half the team is just the start. Then to prevent the little runt from joining his crush LeBron or Amare we have to give him a max contract as fast as we can. Same thing happened with Damon, a giant contract after giving many decent players. And that's the good outcome. The bad one is that even that much money can't hold him.

And the midget is used to having the coach of his choice. He'll probably want the GM of his choice, too.

 

[Minstrel]

Giving half the team is just the start.

Giving up the bad half of the team is fine. All halves aren't created equal.

Then to prevent the little runt from joining his crush LeBron or Amare we have to give him a max contract as fast as we can.

I agree. Giving a max contract to one of the several best players in the NBA is cool, but having to hurry up the paperwork is intolerable.

Same thing happened with Damon, a giant contract after giving many decent players. And that's the good outcome.

Well, the good outcome is that Paul's massively greater talent leads to massively better play. But I generally agree with you. Talent is usually not relevant.

And the midget is used to having the coach of his choice. He'll probably want the GM of his choice, too.

I've heard he's a big Trader Bob fan. I read that he was a big fan of Whitsitt's willingness to trade away half the team to get an impact player.

 

[Public Defender]

I'm seeing stuff floating around about how Orlando is allegedly Paul's preferred destination.

I have two questions:

1.) Do the Hornets really care where Paul wants to go? I could see future free agents shying away from the Hornets (which they'll do anyway, because they'll suck), if New Orleans totally screws him over and trades him to the Clippers - but do the Hornets care if Paul's #1 choice is the Magic, and #3 or #4 was Portland?

2.) Do the Magic really have anything to trade? If they send Carter's expiring and Jameer Nelson for Paul and Okafor (which works under the cap), that means the Hornets basically get Jameer Nelson for Chris Paul. Is that a better deal than the Bayless / Fernandez / Miller (expiring) / Przybilla (expiring)? Is Batum necessary? Would Oden or Camby be - to be better than Jameer Nelson? I don't think so, but then, I'm not much of a Nelson fan.

 

[noknobs]

Giving up the bad half of the team is fine. All halves aren't created equal.

I don't consider Oden, Batum, Miller, and Camby (4 names that pop up in most of the trade proposals) part of "the bad half of the team". I also don't think any team on Earth wants to trade for the bad half of another team, so your point is irrelevant.

 

[jlprk]

Just because we were lucky in getting Camby to sign, everyone assumes that Paul will automatically sign long-term after accidentally landing in our boondocks city during his prison escape. The supposedly best PG in the league leaves small market New Orleans to go to...small market Portland, Oregon? For the short-term, but not permanently. We'd just be his hopping-off train station.

The reason Camby stayed was that Juwan Howard told him he loved it here. We repaid Howard for saving our season by replacing him with either Ibekwe or Rayshawn Terry. I can't believe we dumped Howard. Anyway, multiply the probability of Paul getting worse here (either because he would at any new team, or because of McMillan) times the probability of Paul not staying beyond 2 years. Compare to the star we must give up, Aldridge or Oden. (Not just Batum, you fools.) It's not worth it for a mini-me. (Although the team could save money on little bobbleheads and just loan him around to fans.)

 

[EGame]

Just because we were lucky in getting Camby to sign, everyone assumes that Paul will automatically sign long-term after accidentally landing in our boondocks city during his prison escape. The supposedly best PG in the league leaves small market New Orleans to go to...small market Portland, Oregon? For the short-term, but not permanently. We'd just be his hopping-off train station.

The reason Camby stayed was that Juwan Howard told him he loved it here. We repaid Howard for saving our season by replacing him with either Ibekwe or Rayshawn Terry. I can't believe we dumped Howard. Anyway, multiply the probability of Paul getting worse here (either because he would at any new team, or because of McMillan) times the probability of Paul not staying beyond 2 years. Compare to the star we must give up, Aldridge or Oden. (Not just Batum, you fools.) It's not worth it for a mini-me. (Although the team could save money on little bobbleheads and just loan him around to fans.)

I am not so sure you really know what you are talking about, but okay.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't consider Oden, Batum, Miller, and Camby (4 names that pop up in most of the trade proposals)

Camby almost never pops up in any realistic trade proposals. Przybilla, Miller, Batum, Bayless and Rudy seem to be the names that pop up the most.

part of "the bad half of the team".

I also don't think even the players I listed comprise the precise "bad half" of the team.

I also don't think any team on Earth wants to trade for the bad half of another team

Any team Isiah Thomas is in charge of would be part of this Earth. So I agree with you that, at this moment in time, no team on Earth would want to trade for the bad half of another team, but there have been teams that wandered this Earth who might have.

so your point is irrelevant.

We'll have to agree to disagree. My point was that rhetoric like "half the team" (whether taken literally or figuratively to mean "a bunch of players") is fairly meaningless, because there are any number of "bunches of players" that would be well-worth shipping out for a high-level player. Portland traded "half its team" for Pippen, and that was an excellent trade.

If someone wants to list a certain set of players and concretely argue that losing that group of players isn't worth Chris Paul, I think that's good fodder for a post. Throwing out a vague and useless term like "half the team" isn't very useful, in my opinion.

 

[jlprk]

I am not so sure you really know what you are talking about, but okay.

Yeah? You think you know a lot about bobbleheads?

 

[Minstrel]

Compare to the star we must give up, Aldridge or Oden.

Aldridge isn't a star. Oden is currently only a star on a per-minute basis, but Aldridge isn't a star on a per-anything basis unless you subtract out the unproductive minutes.

 

[jlprk]

All I have to do is change it to "a third of the team" and that makes you have to readjust your whole answer.

 

[Minstrel]

All I have to do is change it to "a third of the team" and that makes you have to readjust your whole answer.

Not at all. I said this: "rhetoric like 'half the team' (whether taken literally or figuratively to mean 'a bunch of players')..."

The figurative version works fine for a third of the team.

 

[noknobs]

Camby almost never pops up in any realistic trade proposals. Przybilla, Miller, Batum, Bayless and Rudy seem to be the names that pop up the most.

His name pops up a lot if we're taking back Okafur, which NO would want. The combined salaries of those five players you listed isn't enough otherwise.

team Isiah Thomas is in charge of would be part of this Earth. So I agree with you that, at this moment in time, no team on Earth would want to trade for the bad half of another team, but there have been teams that wandered this Earth who might have.

Good point. If only we could somehow get David Kahn to be NO's next GM. He's another winner.

My point was that rhetoric like "half the team" (whether taken literally or figuratively to mean "a bunch of players") is fairly meaningless, because there are any number of "bunches of players" that would be well-worth shipping out for a high-level player. Portland traded "half its team" for Pippen, and that was an excellent trade.

Ah, I didn't know that was your point, guess I wasn't keeping up with the conversation.

However, in the case of Pippen, the best player from the year before that we shipped out was Walt Williams and he was 28. Even Bayless and Rudy are putting up close to the numbers he put up and they're much younger. Basically every player being talked about in this Chris Paul trade is better than the best player we sent out in the Pippen trade, save Joel simply because we don't know how he'll bounce back from the injury.

I personally am just a little wary when every trade scenario I see involves 5/6 guys who were pretty substantial parts of the rotation last year when healthy. And then I'm apparently a homer because I don't want to also involve Oden on top of that for a possible two year rental of a superstar who's allegedly taking career advice from Lebron. (not directed at you Minstrel)

 

[KingSpeed]

Also the Paul Allen as a James Bond villain meme is well established. Also people WILL watch a fun to watch Portland team as proven by WCF 2000 ratings which were the best since Jordan.

If the Blazers face the Heat in the Finals, we'll have the entire world outside South Beach rooting for us.

 

[MARIS61]

I'm willing to take that chance. Aldridge would instantly be better, and Roy would finally get to play SG without having to carry a dud/bad shooter/white guy at PG.

Racist.

 

[inconceivable]

I'm seeing stuff floating around about how Orlando is allegedly Paul's preferred destination.

I have two questions:

1.) Do the Hornets really care where Paul wants to go? I could see future free agents shying away from the Hornets (which they'll do anyway, because they'll suck), if New Orleans totally screws him over and trades him to the Clippers - but do the Hornets care if Paul's #1 choice is the Magic, and #3 or #4 was Portland?

2.) Do the Magic really have anything to trade? If they send Carter's expiring and Jameer Nelson for Paul and Okafor (which works under the cap), that means the Hornets basically get Jameer Nelson for Chris Paul. Is that a better deal than the Bayless / Fernandez / Miller (expiring) / Przybilla (expiring)? Is Batum necessary? Would Oden or Camby be - to be better than Jameer Nelson? I don't think so, but then, I'm not much of a Nelson fan.

excellent point. i've thought the same too. letz talk abt the minimum offer we can provide that would surpass what ORL, DAL, NYC are willing to give up. we have the advantage.

 

[inconceivable]

Andre & Pryz ECs
+
Camby
+
(Rudy & Jerryd)
or if we have to (Rudy & Nic)
or if we really have to (Jerryd & Nic)

FOR

CP3
+
Emeka

=

PG: Paul/Williams
SG: Roy/Matthews
SF: Cunningham/Babbit
PF: LA/Pendergraph
C: Oden/Okafor

In terms of making NO happy (what they're getting back) AND providing CP3 a winner (his destination team's roster), what can NY, ORL, DAL offer to outbid us??

 

[Masbee]

If we give away half the team for this little squirt, it reminds me of when we did the same for Damon. He was great in Toronto and good but not great here. That little dachsund Chris Paul will be the same.

Not so. Damon was not "great" in Toronto. He put up stats, but they were hollow.