Some very concerning statements by Roy

[RoyIsClutch07]

He made very lil to no effort to see to it that it work. And McMillan is dumbfounded on how you could make it work. Comes with the territory of being Nate I guess.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

But for the convenience, comfort and simplification for all that's involved. Maybe Martell to the lineup and Miller to the bench is the right move.

 

[PapaG]

Me? No. A lot of people around here? For sure.

Also, why should he change his game to accomodate an aging Andre Miller, who has shown zero ability to adjust his own game.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

Also, why should he change his game to accomodate an aging Andre Miller, who has shown zero ability to adjust his own game.

No one on the team should have to adjust their game for Miller. If the team is better with Blake in the lineup and Miller on the bench after 14 games of playing and experiencing. Then perhaps That's where things should stay. I still think Roy made lil to no effort to see to it that Miller in the lineup was a success. And McMillans simplistic way of thinking did nothing to try to make it work from a strategic standpoint.

 

[PapaG]

No one on the team should have to adjust their game for Miller. If the team is better with Blake in the lineup and Miller on the bench after 14 games of playing and experiencing. Then perhaps That's where things should stay. I still think Roy made lil to no effort to see to it that Miller in the lineup was a success. And McMillans simplistic way of thinking did nothing to try to make it work from a strategic standpoint.

That may be true, but the fact that Roy did give up the ball to Miller tells me he did put in the effort. After 10% of the season with him doing that, the team was regressing offensively. Does that mean that Miller is done as a starter? Probably not. Does that mean that Miller needs to get the message that he needs to adjust his game to be effective in Portland? Probably.

 

[Pontius]

Stop making serious posts. They just don't seem right.

Anyways, besides LMA, Rudy, and Miller, I don't think any of the players have shown a consistent ability on the fast break. And even if they did implement a faster offense, I can't imagine Nate approving.

Bayless and Webster can run. You just don't know it yet. And of course Nate won't approve of it, Roy is against implementing a faster offense. I thought that was already acknowledged.

 

[andalusian]

Blake seems like he'd be as good on the break or in the half-court. I'd say he's running-neutral, in terms of his abilities.

Blake might be OK as a SG in a fast pace. As a PG - from his time with the Bucks and the Nuggets - it seems like his TOV% goes way up. I am going to guess that the reason we see more TOV% from him this year, as well, is because of the exact same reason, he thinks he needs to run more to "defend" his starting position.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I wish Andre Miller would suddenly develop a three point shot. I mean, who is he to hold back the team by constantly bricking jumpers from outside? It is his own fault that he ends up getting benched. What a selfish player, he should be traded.

Dude, in all seriousness, what are you talking about?

Roy may not have the knack for *leading* the break...but he most certainly can run the floor as one of the flankers.

Joel *can't* run - Roy doesn't *like* to run....huge difference!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Also, why should he change his game to accomodate an aging Andre Miller, who has shown zero ability to adjust his own game.

Because easy baskets in transition are a better option than 1-on-3 ISOs.

 

[PapaG]

Because easy baskets in transition are a better option than 1-on-3 ISOs.

THe comparative numbers compared to last season don't show this to be the case. Unless you have something other than your opinion to back up your POV?

 

[Minstrel]

Blake might be OK as a SG in a fast pace. As a PG - from his time with the Bucks and the Nuggets - it seems like his TOV% goes way up.

But in my scenario, Blake wouldn't be running the point in the up-tempo game. Miller would, since he's very good at it. Blake's role is (usually) to spread the floor...fast breaks can always use someone able to leak out to the three-point line and be ready to nail a wide-open three in transition.

I don't think Blake would be better or worse if the tempo increased, so long as Miller were the transition trigger man. In the half-court, Roy could do more of the creation.

 

[RoyToy]

Problem with Roy is he can't score without the ball.

I just got done watching a stretch of the Heat/Hornets game and Wade scored 6-8 straight pts without handling the ball. He caught alley-oops, ran through screens, cut backdoor, etc. A complete player, and he does this every game.

 

[oldmangrouch]

THe comparative numbers compared to last season don't show this to be the case. Unless you have something other than your opinion to back up your POV?

So....you want me to provide scientific research that a 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 transition is a higher percentage shot than a 1-on-3 ISO? Really?

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and even Melo, have learned to score without the ball. AI never learned that. Which category do you want Roy to be in?

What the hell is up with you? You've always been combative, but lately you are just frickin' unreasonable.

 

[oldguy]

No one is balking at the idea of Brandon adding to his game, but people here are expecting him to change overnight. Newsflash, it's not going to happen.

I'm not sure how much of a newsflash it is, but the team didn't acquire Dre yesterday.

Go Blazers

 

[PapaG]

Problem with Roy is he can't score without the ball.

He's scoring roughly 19 ppg and averaging 5 apg without the ball.

Did you read the stats in this thread?

 

[B-Roy]

I'm not sure how much of a newsflash it is, but the team didn't acquire Dre yesterday.

Go Blazers

I'm sorry, all it takes is 15 games to change your game. Maybe we should tell that to Bayless too.

 

[PapaG]

I'm sorry, all it takes is 15 games to change your game. Maybe we should tell that to Bayless too.

Roy + change his game for Andre Miller = Titles in Portland.

Miller's track record proves this to be true. Nate is teh dumb!

 

[The Professional Fan]

Nothing wrong with your best player being honest.

 

[Blaze01]

Thought I'd never say it but if POR could deal Roy for Chris Paul, I would do it in a second.....I'm not a fan of Roy's attitude this year at all....

One guy makes the other players around him better (Paul), the other (Roy) seems to be more focused on what makes himself better\more comfortable.....

 

[B-Roy]

One guy makes the other players around him better (Paul), the other (Roy) seems to be more focused on what makes himself better\more comfortable.....

The Hornets are playing better without Paul this year, beating both Phoenix AND Atlanta, and almost stealing one on the road against Miami.

 

[Natebishop3]

Funny thing is, I bet we would be going through this same discussion if we had signed Hedo and not Miller. Roy would be complaining about Hedo dominating the ball.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The Hornets are playing better without Paul this year, beating both Phoenix AND Atlanta, and almost stealing one on the road against Miami.

Trade for Collison and Thornton!!!

 

[blue32]

I think this is good, b/c when Blake gets shitty, Bayless can come take his place. and keep Andre kickin ass in the 2nd unit

 

[Pontius]

I'm sorry, all it takes is 15 games to change your game. Maybe we should tell that to Bayless too.

And what from Bayless' game does he need to improve so drastically? Is his 20+ PER indicative of a need for fine-tuning? Granted, with more playing time you are very likely to see that PER drop, but you'd also benefit from the obvious deduction that Bayless helps the team far more than he hurts it. Besides, what does Bayless have to do with this argument at all? He's been given barely chance to do anything and you are expecting more than a 20+ PER? What exactly are you expecting from Bayless that would warrant playing time? I get the feeling it's quite unreasonable.

 

[Nikolokolus]

And what from Bayless' game does he need to improve so drastically? Is his 20+ PER indicative of a need for fine-tuning? Granted, with more playing time you are very likely to see that PER drop, but you'd also benefit from the obvious deduction that Bayless helps the team far more than he hurts it. Besides, what does Bayless have to do with this argument at all? He's been given barely chance to do anything and you are expecting more than a 20+ PER? What exactly are you expecting from Bayless that would warrant playing time? I get the feeling it's quite unreasonable.

Dude. You completely misread that post ... Maybe B-Roy will take the time to explain it to you, but that wasn't a dig on Bayless.

 

[hasoos]

I would give my left nut for them to just go to a 3 guard rotation of Roy, Rudy and Bayless. All 3 can score. 2 can definitly create. Rudy leads the team in steals. The other 2 are good man defenders. Everybody can shoot from the outside. Plus I would really like to have a guy like Bayless on the floor to bring some fire to the team. I sit back and watch other teams rookies put up huge numbers, and I wonder what the fuck we are missing while watching Blake burn those minutes.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think that I'm ok with Roy "taking back the team".

I say that partially because it lets Webster play more. Love him or hate him, his activity on the defensive end has been pretty consistent and effective. Going for 21/13 (hey, we're moving up from "great quarters" to "great games"....maybe "great homestands" or "great months" is coming up??) is gravy, but I liked how active he was on the boards.
I say it partially because I've seen Roy looking for drop passes to Oden on his drives the last couple of games. It's like he finally realizes that Oden can be outside the paint, receive the pass, take one step and dunk hard on people with consistency. He's going for 62% on only 7 shots a game (I'd really like to see that go up, but in the flow of the offense.) and Brandon's starting to see him more and make the pass. Then again, passing seems to be one of those things for this squad that's either really on or really off.
I say it partially b/c I think that if Roy thinks he's The Man again and starts acting like it, he'll be more aggressive getting into the paint and settle less for the jumpers. He doesn't necessarily need to shoot it more, but if the double/triple comes he's got a 7' stud waiting for a dunk, and if not he can go either hand for the layin.
I say it partially b/c I hope that Nate lets go a bit more by trusting Brandon to control the flow on the floor.
I say it partially b/c I'm a homer.

 

[andalusian]

I say it partially b/c I think that if Roy thinks he's The Man again and starts acting like it, he'll be more aggressive getting into the paint and settle less for the jumpers.

... and there is your guide to the Blazers offensive efficiency taking an upswing, right there.

Roy is one of the best players in the league getting to the paint with the dribble. You do whatever you can to enable him to do it.

 

[RR7]

Roy is one of the best players in the league, period. I'm not saying you completely let him run the show. I do think you maximize what you can get out of him, and hopefully build the right pieces around him to increase his effectiveness.

I still think the Miller-Roy combo can work. And we'll see that lineup at times, and we'll be alright, IMO. Maybe not as starters, but during the game. And maybe they'll show enough to play together just fine. If not, so be it. I am upset we have not had the opportunity to see them start, with Webster as well, in a more conventional lineup. But, such is life. We'll be fine.

 

[andalusian]

I still think the Miller-Roy combo can work. And we'll see that lineup at times, and we'll be alright, IMO. Maybe not as starters, but during the game. And maybe they'll show enough to play together just fine. If not, so be it. I am upset we have not had the opportunity to see them start, with Webster as well, in a more conventional lineup. But, such is life. We'll be fine.

I think it can work fine, as long as you do not have it all the time.

You start the first quarter with the normal game plan - going to LMA and Greg in the post and pounding the ball.

You run a large portion of the 2nd quarter with the fast break system, with Miller running the show, and you add Roy to end the quarter and see how he and Miller click with Miller dominating the ball.

Then - in the 2nd half you adjust based on how they click or not.

Last game, they had a miserable time together in the 2nd quarter - so Nate played Roy/Blake in the 3rd quarter and Miller/Fast unit in the 4th.

This way, they both can do what they know to do best and play to their strength - and when they work well, you play them together, and when they do not - you don't.