Something Nobody Talks About…

[Gronk_Brady]

If we go the route of building around Dame…

He will be 33 years old at the start of next season. I think being realistic, that gives the Blazers a 3 year window with Dame as a top player in the league… he would be 35 years old in the 3rd season of this window. If we look up and down the current roster, it’s one of the youngest in the league. We probably need to make multiple moves to acquire more experienced players to make a real run. To make a real run the team would need to gel and develop chemistry, which may take a season. So becomes a 2 year window. Which brings me to the point of this thread…

What if 33-35 year old Dame suffers an injury?

With such a small window to win, one injury could close the window completely. Then we would end up having traded a potential all star in the 3rd pick to pair with Sharpe the next decade for essentially nothing.

 

[wizenheimer]

geeeezuzzz....what if something bad happens, part 33367

 

[RonBrewer]

There is no "IF" OP. We are absolutely making a trade and building around Dame. Welcome to the board though and nice second post

 

[Gronk_Brady]

geeeezuzzz....what if something bad happens, part 33367

Is this not a logical train of thought? I don’t understand why it bothers you.

 

[THE HCP]

Is this not a logical train of thought? I don’t understand why it bothers you.

Because Rook, there are 18 threads this thought could have gone in.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Because Rook, there are 18 threads this thought could have gone in.

My apologies… didn’t see this mentioned.

 

[Sloth]

I don't agree with any thing Pats fans say tbh

 

[wizenheimer]

Is this not a logical train of thought? I don’t understand why it bothers you.

doesn't bother me...just strikes me as a pointless question. Any player can have a serious, career altering injury, including young players like Sharpe, or whoever Portland might use the 3rd pick on

and of course, Dame could remain healthy and play at a high level for 4 more years; and whoever Portland traded the 3rd pick for could remain healthy and play the best ball of his career alongside Dame in Portland. And the Blazers might make other good moves that work out real well and Portland could be a contender

but sure, lets instead worry about the worst outcome for every decision Portland makes

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If we go the route of building around Dame…

He will be 33 years old at the start of next season. I think being realistic, that gives the Blazers a 3 year window with Dame as a top player in the league… he would be 35 years old in the 3rd season of this window. If we look up and down the current roster, it’s one of the youngest in the league. We probably need to make multiple moves to acquire more experienced players to make a real run. To make a real run the team would need to gel and develop chemistry, which may take a season. So becomes a 2 year window. Which brings me to the point of this thread…

What if 33-35 year old Dame suffers an injury?

With such a small window to win, one injury could close the window completely. Then we would end up having traded a potential all star in the 3rd pick to pair with Sharpe the next decade for essentially nothing.

Considering that Lillard played with an ab injury for 3 years that GPII couldn't play with for 3 mins, then when finally able to get it fixed came back and had his best year as a pro, Lillard's desire and determination makes a career-ending injury unlikely.

*knocks on wood

 

[THE HCP]

My apologies… didn’t see this mentioned.

No need for an apology. Just happens on here from time to time. Random thought pops up and people want to start a thread. Welcome to our fine forum. Many on here aren’t as friendly and welcoming as myself, so THREAD lightly.

 

[wizenheimer]

Many on here aren’t as friendly and welcoming as myself,

insert wife joke here

 

[SlyPokerDog]

insert wife joke here

She loves it when I insert!

 

[julius]

Hey guys, what happens if Dame is old and gets injured?

And did you guys know he doesn't play good defense?

I say trade every player before they get the chance to get injured.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[blazerkor]

If we go the route of building around Dame…

He will be 33 years old at the start of next season. I think being realistic, that gives the Blazers a 3 year window with Dame as a top player in the league… he would be 35 years old in the 3rd season of this window. If we look up and down the current roster, it’s one of the youngest in the league. We probably need to make multiple moves to acquire more experienced players to make a real run. To make a real run the team would need to gel and develop chemistry, which may take a season. So becomes a 2 year window. Which brings me to the point of this thread…

What if 33-35 year old Dame suffers an injury?

With such a small window to win, one injury could close the window completely. Then we would end up having traded a potential all star in the 3rd pick to pair with Sharpe the next decade for essentially nothing.

You're so right, no one has been talking about Dame's age and narrowing window or the fact that he has a greater chance of being injured as he ages... haven't been reading about that from half of the people who post on here constantly this off season. Good fucking grief did you just start a thread with an all green font OP or have you really not been paying attention to the overall conversation in this forum?

 

[blazerfan11]

I haven't seen much of a discussion about players getting injured in a "win now" scenario, or how short the window could be.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Considering that Lillard played with an ab injury for 3 years that GPII could play with for 3 mins, then when finally able to get it fixed came back and had his best year as a pro, Lillard's desire and determination makes a career-ending injury unlikely.

*knocks on wood

I wasn’t referring to career ending injury, but any injury that caused him to miss significant time with such a short window to mesh with a new roster and contend. I’m not trying to upset people, this just feels like a major fork in the road for the franchise… and I’m trying to think about this realistically. Is it absurd to assume Dame won’t have perfect health from age 33-35?

 

[blazerkor]

Can a mod please turn the title of this thread to a green font?

 

[Gronk_Brady]

You're so right, no one has been talking about Dame's age and narrowing window or the fact that he has a greater chance of being injured as he ages... haven't been reading about that from half of the people who post on here constantly this off season. Good fucking grief did you just start a thread with an all green font OP or have you really not been paying attention to the overall conversation in this forum?

Sorry I did not see it posted.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I wasn’t referring to career ending injury, but any injury that caused him to miss significant time with such a short window to mesh with a new roster and contend. I’m not trying to upset people, this just feels like a major fork in the road for the franchise… and I’m trying to think about this realistically. Is it absurd to assume Dame won’t have perfect health from age 33-35?

Dame is working on extending his 3pt shooting range to the locker room, so even if he's injured he can still contribute.

 

[Voodoo]

Sorry I did not see it posted.

Don’t need to apologize dude, there are multiple threads on here discussing the fork in the road the blazers are at right now. Im assuming like me you haven’t read all 80+ pages on each of them in which it’s likely someone else has made a similar statement.

Doesn’t mean your observation isn’t valid, some folks assume we’re all reading the hundreds of posts posted daily and are current on all things S2. Some of us either aren’t as dedicated, or don’t have the time to tho.

 

[blazerkor]

Sorry I did not see it posted.

It's cool, you don't have to be sorry... everyone is right that there are multiple threads addressing just about anything you can think of. My reaction was more aimed at the thread title because so many people have been talking about what you were addressing I found it ironic but it's not a big deal... it's just another thread.

 

[Strenuus]

People talk about it lol

 

[KingSpeed]

Dame could win title late in career like Kidd did. With Sharpe and/or Zion by his side.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Dame could win title late in career like Kidd did. With Sharpe and/or Zion by his side.

Yes, as long as we get someone like Zion that fits both time lines it’s worth the risk IMO.

 

[Strenuus]

Yes, as long as we get someone like Zion that fits both time lines it’s worth the risk IMO.

Mortgage the future on one of the biggest quesiton marks ever. Yeah, sound decision.

 

[wizenheimer]

Mortgage the future on one of the biggest quesiton marks ever. Yeah, sound decision.

is it really "mortgaging the future" when it's one draft pick? It's a big risk for sure, but one pick doesn't make the future, and there is the crap shoot nature of the draft

2 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4 Dion Waiters
5 Thomas Robinson
1 Anthony Bennett
2 Victor Oladipo
3 Otto Porter Jr.
4 Cody Zeller
2 Jabari Parker
2 D'Angelo Russell
3 Jahlil Okafor
1 Ben Simmons
4 Dragan Bender
5 Kris Dunn
1 Markelle Fultz
2 Lonzo Ball
4 Josh Jackson
1 Deandre Ayton
2 Marvin Bagley III
1 Zion Williamson
3 RJ Barrett
4 De'Andre Hunter
2 James Wiseman
4 Patrick Williams
5 Isaac Okoro
5 Jalen Suggs

 

[Strenuus]

is it really "mortgaging the future" when it's one draft pick? It's a big risk for sure, but one pick doesn't make the future, and there is the crap shoot nature of the draft

2 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4 Dion Waiters
5 Thomas Robinson
1 Anthony Bennett
2 Victor Oladipo
3 Otto Porter Jr.
4 Cody Zeller
2 Jabari Parker
2 D'Angelo Russell
3 Jahlil Okafor
1 Ben Simmons
4 Dragan Bender
5 Kris Dunn
1 Markelle Fultz
2 Lonzo Ball
4 Josh Jackson
1 Deandre Ayton
2 Marvin Bagley III
1 Zion Williamson
3 RJ Barrett
4 De'Andre Hunter
2 James Wiseman
4 Patrick Williams
5 Isaac Okoro
5 Jalen Suggs

Zion playing 30 games a year for 3 years before being out of the league and we have nothing to show for it is the mortgaging of the future.

We dont do well with oft-injured players.

 

[Tince]

is it really "mortgaging the future" when it's one draft pick? It's a big risk for sure, but one pick doesn't make the future, and there is the crap shoot nature of the draft

2 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4 Dion Waiters
5 Thomas Robinson
1 Anthony Bennett
2 Victor Oladipo
3 Otto Porter Jr.
4 Cody Zeller
2 Jabari Parker
2 D'Angelo Russell
3 Jahlil Okafor
1 Ben Simmons
4 Dragan Bender
5 Kris Dunn
1 Markelle Fultz
2 Lonzo Ball
4 Josh Jackson
1 Deandre Ayton
2 Marvin Bagley III
1 Zion Williamson
3 RJ Barrett
4 De'Andre Hunter
2 James Wiseman
4 Patrick Williams
5 Isaac Okoro
5 Jalen Suggs

That list (while cherry picked) seems to indicate that turning down a real good player and instead using the #3 pick might actually be mortgaging the future

 

[Tince]

Zion playing 30 games a year for 3 years before being out of the league and we have nothing to show for it is the mortgaging of the future.

We dont do well with oft-injured players.

You're not alone in tying together issues from the 1984 and 2007 with today's team, but I'm curious what commonalities those things have to do with the Blazers of today?

Different owner
Different coach
Different GM
Different trainers
Different strength and conditioning staff

What does Sam Bowie and Greg Oden's injury history in Portland have to do with Zion's potential injury potential in Portland? Do people think it's the tap water or the abnormaly cloudy days would cause there to be an increase is bad injury luck?