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Orion Bailey said:
he got players that fit Billups system. That, to me, is obvious now.
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Only two players he brought in has had a positive impact. One was someone pretty much everyone advocated for in a CJ trade (Hart). The other is someone who wasn't exactly valued in the trade and is still a terrible deal (Winslow). No crow here.
 
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Player on a new team plays (briefly) above his established performance level. (EG Stauskas)

That's called a "fluke."
 
BonesJones said:
The dude tried to make the team worse this year and they're accidently good because Chaunceys gotten them functioning like a team. What Cronin crow?
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Did Joe say he tried to make the team worse? I missed that.
 
BonesJones said:
Only two players he bright in has had a positive impact. One was someone pretty much everyone advocated for in a CJ trade (Hart). The other is someone who wasn't exactly valued in the trade and is still a terrible deal (Winslow). No crow here.
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How do you know Winslow wasn't valued in the trade? He wasn't valued in this forum when the trade went down but that doesn't mean Joe didn't value him. I think we won that trade going away and if Keon turns out to be good, it was a flat out steal.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
How do you know Winslow wasn't valued in the trade? He wasn't valued in this forum when the trade went down but that doesn't mean Joe didn't value him. I think we won that trade going away and if Keon turns out to be good, it was a flat out steal.
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I valued Winslow when the trade was announced and posted about it, I knew he would be a good fit and a Chauncy guy, the only real Q was/is can he stay healthy? so far so good
 
Blazinaway said:
I valued Winslow when the trade was announced and posted about it, I knew he would be a good fit and a Chauncy guy, the only real Q was/is can he stay healthy? so far so good
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Yep. And Billups coached him in LA so Joe probably got Winslow for that very reason. I think Winslow is great. Kawhi-lite.
 
BonesJones said:
Only two players he bright in has had a positive impact. One was someone pretty much everyone advocated for in a CJ trade (Hart). The other is someone who wasn't exactly valued in the trade and is still a terrible deal (Winslow). No crow here.
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If the Blazers win more games now than before, im pretty sure the FO will disagree with you. :)
 
KSF-ERIC said:
How do you know Winslow wasn't valued in the trade? He wasn't valued in this forum when the trade went down but that doesn't mean Joe didn't value him. I think we won that trade going away and if Keon turns out to be good, it was a flat out steal.
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No point in having a conversation about that trade with someone who thinks Winslow is "Kawhi-lite".
 
Anyway I've never seen this fanbase overreact so much to four games where we only played one good, healthy team.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Yep. And Billups coached him in LA so Joe probably got Winslow for that very reason. I think Winslow is great. Kawhi-lite.
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I think of Winslow as Draymond Green Lite. Josh Hart isn't lite anything. He's an efficient scoring SG who can play defense and rebound.
It's not hard to think that Cronin was looking to emulate Golden State or at least it was on his mind. We have the All Star PG.
 
BonesJones said:
Anyway I've never seen this fanbase overreact so much to four games where we only played one good, healthy team.
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Which teams the Blazers beat doesn't matter in the regular season. The more wins the better.
The only real measuring stick is the playoffs.
 
The clippers deal will never look good no matter what. Bledsoe isn’t even playing. Winslow playing well but he was more of a filler than anything. Keon might be solid someday. And some crappy second round pick. What the clippers get? A solid SG who’s under contract for 4 more after this one. And RoCo who’s a solid two way player. Powell alone was worth more than what we got. Heck I rather have what Cavs traded for LeVert with. We would’ve had a true expiring contract in Rubio, a legit 1st round pick. And some second round picks. Instead now we are dreaming for a Bledsoe and picks for grant deal?
 
I think the Blazers should blast YMCA after every home win the rest of the season.

Do we play the Lakers at home again? That would be epic.
 
BonesJones said:
Anyway I've never seen this fanbase overreact so much to four games where we only played one good, healthy team.
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The Trail Blazers play who is on the schedule.
The game before winning four in a row, the Blazers lost to ORLANDO at home and were counting losses as victories. Fans aren't over-reacting.
It's a different team. We have a starting lineup of Simons, Hart, Elleby, Winslow, and Nurkic. These are not the 2021 Trail Blazers.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
We were playing very boring basketball. Now, we're playing very exciting basketball. The contrast is extremely stark - in fact I've never seen this in the Blazers. It's not just about the wins.
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I mean, I was asking for this for years. Happy to see it, but this team still isn't talented enough. There's not a chance they compete in a playoff series IMO. This is still a lottery level team at the moment.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Which teams the Blazers beat doesn't matter in the regular season. The more wins the better.
The only real measuring stick is the playoffs.
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No, the more losses the better. We have zero chance at making a playoff run this year, and winning more games worsens our draft pick. We don't need a measuring stick to know this team isn't talented enough.
 
BonesJones said:
I mean, I was asking for this for years. Happy to see it, but this team still isn't talented enough. There's not a chance they compete in a playoff series IMO. This is still a lottery level team at the moment.
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No argument at all about us still not being talented enough, though we're not playing like a lottery team, right now.

To bolster your point further, I will say this:
As far as I'm concerned, Cronin hasn't come through yet. His idea is to dump players for flexibility, and turn that flexibility into a great team. He still hasn't done that last part, which is what we've all been waiting years for.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
No argument at all about us still not being talented enough, though we're not playing like a lottery team, right now.

To bolster your point further, I will say this:
As far as I'm concerned, Cronin hasn't come through yet. His idea is to dump players for flexibility, and turn that flexibility into a great team. He still hasn't done that last part, which is what we've all been waiting years for.
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I know Wizards can wave a wand and magically poof everything into existence, but some things do take time, when being built by mere mortals. :).
 
BonesJones said:
No, the more losses the better. We have zero chance at making a playoff run this year, and winning more games worsens our draft pick. We don't need a measuring stick to know this team isn't talented enough.
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Torey, I know you've played competitive ball, there is no way that Joe would ask Chauncey lose as many games as possible for a better pick. Not saying it doesn't happen just that my vibe with the coach and players is they will try and improve each game and beat whomever they play. Players would never buy tanking and I know you realize that because you've played ball. Sure from maybe a fans and armchair gm's standpoint its easy to advocate for a tank so, they can hit the jack pot. Coaches and players are paid to win.
I know pro sports are different from what you and I played because of the money, but young competitive pro athletes want to prove themselves.
 
BonesJones said:
No, the more losses the better. We have zero chance at making a playoff run this year, and winning more games worsens our draft pick. We don't need a measuring stick to know this team isn't talented enough.
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Is there an argument to be made that our current not-talented-enough players can improve their off-season trade value by playing unexpectedly well enough to generate those draft-pick-worsening wins?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Is there an argument to be made that our current not-talented-enough players can improve their off-season trade value by playing unexpectedly well enough to generate those draft-pick-worsening wins?
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Its a valid argument but not as much as improving our draft pick would
 
Hoopguru said:
Torey, I know you've played competitive ball, there is no way that Joe would ask Chauncey lose as many games as possible for a better pick. Not saying it doesn't happen just that my vibe with the coach and players is they will try and improve each game and beat whomever they play. Players would never buy tanking and I know you realize that because you've played ball. Sure from maybe a fans and armchair gm's standpoint its easy to advocate for a tank so, they can hit the jack pot. Coaches and players are paid to win.
I know pro sports are different from what you and I played because of the money, but young competitive pro athletes want to prove themselves.
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Of course not. I'm never said the players or coach should try and tank. That doesn't make sense haha
 
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