Sporting News Trade Rumors..

[JeterRules20]

For your reading enjoyment.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/sto...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=jessespector

 

[Hammerojustice]

This right here is a mind-scratcher...

"Yankees: While mostly writing about Brian McCann, George A. King III of the New York Post noted that also "on the Yankees’ radar is Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran, Reds outfielder Shin-Soo Choo and Indians pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez.”

All of these players, including McCann, received qualifying offers, so if the Yankees sign one of them, they will lose their first-round draft pick. If they sign two, they will lose their first two picks. What’s really bonkers to imagine is a New York team in need of a transition to the future giving up its first four draft choices to sign all of those free agents, while also blowing past the $189 million luxury tax threshold. King doesn’t suggest this, though — the presence of all of these players “on the Yankees’ radar” really indicates that the Bronx Bombers are weighing their options."

 

[JeterRules20]

I don't think they will sign Beltran or Jimenez. I see them making an offer for McCann and if Choo doesn't sign early then maybe making a late run at him.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Point was made on "Hot Stove" this AM was that until the fate of Arod is determined the Yankees will have to hold their moves in check.

 

[Yblue]

This right here is a mind-scratcher...

"Yankees: While mostly writing about Brian McCann, George A. King III of the New York Post noted that also "on the Yankees’ radar is Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran, Reds outfielder Shin-Soo Choo and Indians pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez.”

All of these players, including McCann, received qualifying offers, so if the Yankees sign one of them, they will lose their first-round draft pick. If they sign two, they will lose their first two picks. What’s really bonkers to imagine is a New York team in need of a transition to the future giving up its first four draft choices to sign all of those free agents, while also blowing past the $189 million luxury tax threshold. King doesn’t suggest this, though — the presence of all of these players “on the Yankees’ radar” really indicates that the Bronx Bombers are weighing their options."

This is what annoys me about this situation too. Even to compete again next year (by doing what the do best....overpaying free agents) they will once again be hurting their future in both involving more constricting contracts and giving up more draft picks.

 

[JeterRules20]

Well if they wait until the bitter end they will wind up with Cody Ransom at third base and Nunez at shortstop when Jeter can't play. They are going to have to make some moves because this Arod saga will be going on forever. If they wait until the bitter end next years team will look like a AAA or worse team.

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol...if, as so many seem to believe, the Yanx are completely incapable of developing their prospects, why are losing draft picks an issue at all?...besides, the Yanx made 3 QOs of their own and therefore will likely get back some compensatory picks of their own.

 

[yankeesince59]

Well if they wait until the bitter end they will wind up with Cody Ransom at third base and Nunez at shortstop when Jeter can't play. They are going to have to make some moves because this Arod saga will be going on forever. If they wait until the bitter end next years team will look like a AAA or worse team.

...you're absolutely right, Jill. The Yanx do not have the luxury of waiting on ARod's appeal. They should take each FA as the opportunity presents itself...by the time the arbiter decides ARod's fate many of the FAs will already be signed.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Point was made on "Hot Stove" this AM was that until the fate of Arod is determined the Yankees will have to hold their moves in check.

but why? that makes no sense

 

[Yblue]

but why? that makes no sense

Because it drastically impacts what they can spend, and therefore who they should target and for how much.

You don't really believe the yankees are going to simply forget about the Lux Tax issue do you? Thats all BS to appease a fan base who saw this new ownership group do what thier father never would have...essentially tank a season. Remember they told us LAST year too that they would always do whatever it takes to field a championship caliberteam.....ah yea...2013....not so much.

 

[yankeesince59]

...uhh, no...and it wasn't BS last year either...whether they spent wisely last year or not, the young Steins still spent $236.2 Mil while the Lux tax cap was at $178 Mil. That forced the Steins to also have to pay a 50% Lux tax as a repeat offender. The Yanx tax bill was $29.1 Mil.

...to put it in perspective, the entire Houston Astro's payroll was $21 Mil.

 

[Yblue]

...uhh, no...and it wasn't BS last year either...whether they spent wisely last year or not, the young Steins still spent $236.2 Mil while the Lux tax cap was at $178 Mil. That forced the Steins to also have to pay a 50% Lux tax as a repeat offender. The Yanx tax bill was $29.1 Mil.

...to put it in perspective, the entire Houston Astro's payroll was $21 Mil.

They spent to ensure they didnt breach the tax reset cap. That actual annual lux cap limit is not their concern. The tax reset is. And yes it was total BS. There is no way THAT mess of a team ever resembled a championship caliber one, and everyone knew it.

 

[yankeesince59]

...uhhh, nothing was said about whether the money they spent was spent WISELY and afforded them a "championship team"...the subject was about the amount the spent, not how they spent it.

...sorry, but spending $59 Mil over the cap is not "tanking a season", which is what you incorrectly claimed.

 

[Yblue]

...uhhh, nothing was said about whether the money they spent was spent WISELY and afforded them a "championship team"...the subject was about the amount the spent, not how they spent it.

...sorry, but spending $59 Mil over the cap is not "tanking a season", which is what you incorrectly claimed.

No they very much tanked it. They added broken down players on quick and dirty deals and prayed. They pretty much all failed. They added no one of significance paying very close attention to the 2014 tax limit. They did not make those moves to field the best team possible, the made those moves to ensure they staying in line for the 2014 tax reset. THAT was their goal, not winning a WS, and it was very obvious.

 

[yankeesince59]

No they very much tanked it. They added broken down players on quick and dirty deals and prayed. They pretty much all failed. They added no one of significance paying very close attention to the 2014 tax limit. They did not make those moves to field the best team possible, the made those moves to ensure they staying in line for the 2014 tax reset. THAT was their goal, not winning a WS, and it was very obvious.

...but that's not what you said, is it?...you were speaking of HOW MUCH THEY SPENT as tanking the season, but now predictably, playing the "no, that's not what I meant" card? As usual, you mis-speak and when called on it, you vainly try to change the context of what you actually said.

...I'm done with your lame BS already...see ya.

 

[Yblue]

...but that's not what you said, is it?...you were speaking of HOW MUCH THEY SPENT as tanking the season, but now predictably, playing the "no, that's not what I meant" card? As usual, you mis-speak and when called on it, you vainly try to change the context of what you actually said.

...I'm done with your lame BS already...see ya.

I said they told us the same BS last year that they would so whatever it takes to field a championship team. They didnt. They made sure 1st and foremost that they didnt add any payroll to the 2014 budget. THAT was their goal. I think you need to read up on the 2014 labor agreement and how the 2014 limit impacts the yanks if they do or do not get under that cap. You might understand better.

 

[yankeesince59]

...no jackass, that's not what they actually said...if you are going to quote someone do it correctly...as usual, you are lost.

 

[Yblue]

...no jackass, that's not what they actually said...if you are going to quote someone do it correctly...as usual, you are lost.

yea I'm lost. Tell us what they spent in 2013 again...as if that matters at all.

Getting below the threshold would reset the Yankees’ luxury-tax rate from 50% to 17.5%

"All I can continue to tell everyone is our commitment to the fans is never going to change. We will always field a championship-caliber team. Is our goal [a $189 million payroll] next year? Yes. But [we’ll go that low] only if I’m convinced if the team I see, that we’ve put together, is a championship-caliber team.”

Bullshit. They sure didnt do that in 2013.

 

[yankeesince59]

yea I'm lost. Tell us what they spent in 2013 again...as if that matters at all.

...you really are a festering miserable wretch...the tax base was $236.2 Mil...and the main reason that short term deals were given last year was because of injuries, to Tex, Jeter, ARod, Granderson, et al...who were all expected to return this year...but according to you it was because they didn't want to commit to contract for 2014...I really don't think this Baseball thing is for you...try basket weaving.

 

[Yblue]

...you really are a festering miserable wretch...the tax base was $236.2 Mil...and the main reason that short term deals were given last year was because of injuries, to Tex, Jeter, ARod, Granderson, et al...who were all expected to return this year...but according to you it was because they didn't want to commit to contract for 2014...I really don't think this Baseball thing is for you...try basket weaving.

I dont think it, i KNOW it. and once again, 2013's payroll DID NOT MATTER. its shows you do not understand the situation at all.

 

[yankeesince59]

I dont think it, i KNOW it. and once again, 2013's payroll DID NOT MATTER. its shows you do not understand the situation at all.

...so you cannot dispute my reason for the way the Yanx spent last year?...if you can, let's hear it...otherwise you're done.

...and for the THIRD time, YOU are the one who first reference the 2013 spending, not me...not you say it doesn't matter?...do you even know what you're babbling about at this point?


...I'm done with your maniacal BS...but you can continue on mumbling to yourself if you choose.

 

[Yblue]

...so you cannot dispute my reason for the way the Yanx spent last year?...if you can, let's hear it...otherwise you're done.

...and for the THIRD time, YOU are the one who first reference the 2013 spending, not me...not you say it doesn't matter?...do you even know what you're babbling about at this point?


...I'm done with your maniacal BS...but you can continue on mumbling to yourself if you choose.

Educate yourself before you spout off. Learn the cap rules, the new agreement and how it impacts repeat offenders and the yankees finally having a change to reset it. Understand what your team is doing and why and then maybe you wont simply fall in line like a sheep like you always do.
You think they went into 2013 with NO catcher because they thought it was a great way to build a championship team? laughable.

 

[yankeesince59]

...already "educated", and quite well I might add...and again, I don't need any lessons from an ass hat such as you...for the second time, they spent on short contracts because of injuries, to Jeter, Tex, ARod, Granderson, and Cervelli.


...and yes, you are "laughable".


...later cupcake.

 

[Yblue]

...already "educated", and quite well I might add...and again, I don't need any lessons from an ass hat such as you...for the second time, they spent on short contracts because of injuries, to Jeter, Tex, ARod, Granderson, and Cervelli.


...and yes, you are "laughable".


...later cupcake.

bye bye. No one is fooled 59. Anyone who reads this can plainly see you dont know what the hell you are talking about with regards to this reset. Damage control indeed. When all else fails, just lash out like a baby. Nice work.

 

[yankeesince59]

...whatever helps you to sleep, princess...but sorry, you don't speak for everyone here, and I don't see anyone taking sides here, so stop giving yourself credit for something that doesn't exist. ....but to borrow a page from your book of irrelevance, "anyone who reads this can plainly see" that the "reset" had nothing to do with the original discussion, you simply and typically decided to change the crux of the subject only after you were called on your error...yup, when all else fails, just change the topic or the context of the topic...damage control personified

...and what in the hell makes you think that knowledge of something as simple as the lux tax reset is something that only you are privy to?...you're out on a limb as you often are and when you realize that you are, you go off on a different tangent. What's so fucking hard to understand about how the lux tax system works, and why are you even referencing it?...and if according to you, the money the Steins spent in 2013 has nothing to do with next year, why did you decide to first interject it into the discussion?


...in case you have conveniently forgotten what the argument was about and how it all began, let me refresh your memory...you initially stated that ARod's situation dictates "how much money they can spend"...(it doesn't)...and that they "did the same thing last year".(they didn't)...and that by doing so, the Steins "tanked the season"...(they didn't)



..."rtax eset" lessons?...lmao..stop kidding yourself and stop pretending you somehow are knowledgeable about things that you perceive others to be devoid of.

 

[Yblue]

...whatever helps you to sleep, princess...but sorry, you don't speak for everyone here, and I don't see anyone taking sides here, so stop giving yourself credit for something that doesn't exist. ....but to borrow a page from your book of irrelevance, "anyone who reads this can plainly see" that the "reset" had nothing to do with the original discussion, you simply and typically decided to change the crux of the subject only after you were called on your error...yup, when all else fails, just change the topic or the context of the topic...damage control personified

...and what in the hell makes you think that knowledge of something as simple as the lux tax reset is something that only you are privy to?...you're out on a limb as you often are and when you realize that you are, you go off on a different tangent. What's so fucking hard to understand about how the lux tax system works, and why are you even referencing it?...and if according to you, the money the Steins spent in 2013 has nothing to do with next year, why did you decide to first interject it into the discussion?


...in case you have conveniently forgotten what the argument was about and how it all began, let me refresh your memory...you initially stated that ARod's situation dictates "how much money they can spend"...(it doesn't)...and that they "did the same thing last year".(they didn't)...and that by doing so, the Steins "tanked the season"...(they didn't)



..."rtax eset" lessons?...lmao..stop kidding yourself and stop pretending you somehow are knowledgeable about things that you perceive others to be devoid of.

LOL. I guess you aren't quite "done yet" he? Knew you couldnt resist.

Here I will spell it out for you as you still clearly have no clue.

1. A-rod's salary next year is what 25mill? If he gets suspended, that money comes off the 2014 payroll, which means they can spend more elsewhere and stay under the cap. So yes, if the cap does matter to then, which it does, A-rod's salary very much impacts what they can spend. Hard to understand, i know.

2. My comment about 2013 was also very difficult for someone to understand when they have no idea how the cap reset works. In 2013 the yankees did nothing to actual improve the team because they were extremely mindful about adding payroll to the 2014 structure. You dont enter a season with a back up catcher and a back up's back up as your starting catcher if you are serious. So thats why you ended up with a bunch of has beens on 1 years deals, crappy trades for players like Wells, and NO catcher on this so called "championship caliber" team. The 2013 team was never championship caliber from the get go injuries or not. Any idiot could see that. So yea we can cheer how cashman foolishly spent 12 mill on Youk, and extended the relic known as Ichiro and talk about how they weren't holding back, but if they weren't, the upgrades would have been better to ensure a better product. That would have meant more significant multi year commitments impacting 2014's cap, which they clearly were not willing to do despiet the onfield product.

3. My comment was also a direct refference to those suggesting the yankees dont care about the cap and will blow through it in 2014 without a thought. I dont think that is the case at all, and its why you are hearing about A-rod's case potentially holding things up for the yankees. It's possible i guess, as is anything, but i find it very unlikley. Unless by missing the show and watching big bad boston win it all, they have changed their minds. I'll believe that when i see it in action.

4. Once again the reference to last year was to relate this years comments from Hal that the budged isnt a mandate, to last year when he said they will always throw a championship team out there. They didnt last year, so it stand to reason they might not again if it means forgoing a big time signing to stay under the cap. I think getting under that cap is simply more important than winning at this point for Hal, as his actions spoke far louder than his words last year.

5. I never mentioned how much they spent, the 2013 payroll, being cheap etc. Because its irrelevant to the discussion. 2014 payroll is what is important, and how it impacts the ability to field a true product next year without limitation. People wanted to know why A-rod deal could hold up a signing, that's why. And for the record, as usual, i never once changed the discussion. You did.

 

[yankeesince59]

..."couldn't resist"?...lmao...look who's talking.

...why do you keep bringing up the "tax reset" point?...and why do you think it's so hard to understand?...and why do you seem to think you alone can grasp it and I cannot?...a simple tier system on lux tax based on whether or not a team is under the cap and how many times they have been "offenders" is not exactly a secret or rocket science.


...and sorry, but yes, you did reference their spending last year...but I'm sure you'll insist that the below statement from one of your initial posts was not a reference to how much was money spent in 2013 "by telling us the same thing last year"...and "tanking a season". If they truly wanted to tank the season, they would not have spent money they did not have to on Youk, Wells, Ichiro, and the rest. But they did and even though they may not have been wise moves they still spent the money which ended up costing them nearly $30 Mil in lux tax payments. Sorry, but even in your alternate universe, spending about $80 mil after the 2012 season is not "tanking".

...again, here's what you said...feel free to twist it some more;

"Because it drastically impacts what they can spend, and therefore who they should target and for how much.

You don't really believe the yankees are going to simply forget about the Lux Tax issue do you? Thats all BS to appease a fan base who saw this new ownership group do what thier father never would have...essentially tank a season. Remember they told us LAST year too that they would always do whatever it takes to field a championship caliberteam.....ah yea...2013....not so much."

...you also said;" They didnt sandbag 2013 only to come this close and blow it all out of the water. "...again, spending $80-90 Mil that they didn't have to in 2013 is not "sandbagging"...and they were forced to spend a lot of money on some short deals because of injuries to ARod, Jeter, Tex, Granderson, et al...all of those players were expected back. So why in the word would they give multi-year contracts that would take them into this year knowing that most of those injured players would be back?...They had no choice.




..."tanking"..."tax reset" lessons...classic. And yes, you did change things...deny it all you want.






...

 

[Yblue]

..."couldn't resist"?...lmao...look who's talking.

...why do you keep bringing up the "tax reset" point?...and why do you think it's so hard to understand?...and why do you seem to think you alone can grasp it and I cannot?...a simple tier system on lux tax based on whether or not a team is under the cap and how many times they have been "offenders" is not exactly a secret or rocket science.


...and sorry, but yes, you did reference their spending last year...but I'm sure you'll insist that the below statement from one of your initial posts was not a reference to how much was money spent in 2013 "by telling us the same thing last year"...and "tanking a season". If they truly wanted to tank the season, they would not have spent money they did not have to on Youk, Wells, Ichiro, and the rest. But they did and even though they may not have been wise moves they still spent the money which ended up costing them nearly $30 Mil in lux tax payments. Sorry, but even in your alternate universe, spending about $80 mil after the 2012 season is not "tanking".

...again, here's what you said...feel free to twist it some more;

"Because it drastically impacts what they can spend, and therefore who they should target and for how much.

You don't really believe the yankees are going to simply forget about the Lux Tax issue do you? Thats all BS to appease a fan base who saw this new ownership group do what thier father never would have...essentially tank a season. Remember they told us LAST year too that they would always do whatever it takes to field a championship caliberteam.....ah yea...2013....not so much."

...you also said;" They didnt sandbag 2013 only to come this close and blow it all out of the water. "...again, spending $80-90 Mil that they didn't have to in 2013 is not "sandbagging"...and they were forced to spend a lot of money on some short deals because of injuries to ARod, Jeter, Tex, Granderson, et al...all of those players were expected back. So why in the word would they give multi-year contracts that would take them into this year knowing that most of those injured players would be back?...They had no choice.




..."tanking"..."tax reset" lessons...classic. And yes, you did change things...deny it all you want.






...

Yes, nothing i said point to the 2013 payroll. The New York Yankees are not going to sit around and do nothing, but they did the next best thing last year. Added a bunch of scraps and tried to piece a team together. They did not, contrary to what Hal said, try to field the best possible team as that would have meant adding payroll to 2014. Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. By constantly referring to 2013's payroll as you have, it makes it quite clear that you did not understand the process entering into 2014. So thats where i drew my conclusions from. And no, you not being able to read or comprehend worth a shit doesnt mean i changed my tune. Im still arguing the same points while you are all over the map about 2013 and how much they spent. Once again, irrelevant.

The A-rod situation DOES drastically impact what they can do in 2014, if indeed they want to stay under the cap. Once again, seems lost on you.

Bottom line, Hal saying the yankees may not stick to the plan of getting under the cap this year is something we heard before. So its hard to put a lot of stock in it.

This now about the 4th time ive posted all of this. I figure you might actually get it at some point, but Im starting to wonder now.

 

[yankeesince59]

...you're so full of shit...I would think that you might actually get it at some point, but I'm starting to wonder now. (it's about the 4th time I've had to post the same thing for you.)

...I guess that according to you "sandbagging" in 2013 was not a reference to their willingness to spend, right?...and I guess that according to you spending all that money last year still constitutes sandbagging, right?


...like I said, you're full of shit...and a liar too.

 

[Yblue]

...you're so full of shit...I would think that you might actually get it at some point, but I'm starting to wonder now. (it's about the 4th time I've had to post the same thing for you.)

...I guess that according to you "sandbagging" in 2013 was not a reference to their willingness to spend, right?...and I guess that according to you spending all that money last year still constitutes sandbagging, right?


...like I said, you're full of shit...and a liar too.

For the 700th time it was an unwillingness to add players of significance due to the future impact on the '14 payroll. And for thr 900th time, if you didnt get that part, than that means you didnt get how the cap works and why WHAT they spent for 2013 is irrelevant. So call me a liar because you cant argue like an adult. Fact remains, i never changed the story, you did and arent even smart enough to realize it.

The 2013 NY Yankees were a dimished product from the 2012 team that fell short. Any way you slice it. It was not "the best team they could assemble". It was the best one they could assemble without impacting the 2014 payroll in a meanigful way. When is the last time you saw a yankee team that falled in its goal and saw the following years team a siginificant dowgrade in several areas? Its been a long time.