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im sure we can trade frye tomorrow for a decent backup PF or a draft pick
 
You know, I learn something new every day.

"Epic Fail" isn't something I know much about, but it seems as if it's teenager-speak for "I just got my ass handed to me. Sorry. I'll leave now."
 
Mixum, do you think KP would do the first if the second wasn't lined up? Are they co-contingent (I think I might've just made up a word. Sorry).

I don't see us not using RLEC b/c we have Ike and Shav as our backup 4s, but it's a bit troubling, wouldn't you say?
 
I think RJ is plan B.
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I agree. I think Butler/Wallace were the intended targets and RJ is the fallback plan. I like him better than Salmons, not near as much as the 1st two.
 
MrJayremmie said:
I agree. I think Butler/Wallace were the intended targets and RJ is the fallback plan. I like him better than Salmons, not near as much as the 1st two.
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Wallace is such a terrible 3-pt shooter that I just don't see him fitting in to what the SF position needs to be in this offense, and especially as Oden develops and becomes more of a primary scoring option in the low post.
 
I honestly don't think we really need a 3 point shooter anymore. I like the fact that he takes it to the rim and gets to the line and I think its something we need. we have too many people who just jack up 3s, specially now once Blake is back in the starting lineup. I think he'd be perfect, especially on the defensive end and getting us some fast break points/easy baskets.

Honestly, Batum isn't that great of a 3 poitn shooter and didn't take all that many 3s and I think we did fine w/ him.
 
what i think is...we will get RJ.

If somehow KP caved and took back curry/lee we would have our backup PF which prob would cost very liitle if KP said...i will take coury. Infact it might just be a draft pick we would have to give up. like i said earlier... we prob make 2 deals. 1 for RJ and Rid. the the other for a backup PF where we trade frye or draft picks.

Also Im almost 100% positive its RJ
 
MrJayremmie said:
I honestly don't think we really need a 3 point shooter anymore. I like the fact that he takes it to the rim and gets to the line and I think its something we need. we have too many people who just jack up 3s, specially now once Blake is back in the starting lineup. I think he'd be perfect, especially on the defensive end and getting us some fast break points/easy baskets.

Honestly, Batum isn't that great of a 3 poitn shooter and didn't take all that many 3s and I think we did fine w/ him.
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Well, if that is the case, Jefferson seems ideal since he shoots much better from the outside, yet he also has attempted 70 more FTs this season compared to Wallace.

The more I think about it, the more I want to see Richard Jefferson in a Blazer uniform.

EDIT - Wallace 6.3 FTA/game, Jefferson 5.9 FTA/game.
 
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Well, if that is the case, Jefferson seems ideal since he shoots much better from the outside, yet he also has attempted 70 more FTs this season compared to Wallace.

The more I think about it, the more I want to see Richard Jefferson in a Blazer uniform.
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Jefferson has played more games though, right? And with Redd going down, and Bogut if I remember right, he is definitely their number 1 option. Wallace may not be the offensive player that Jefferson is, but the fact that he is 26, a better defender, and can get to the line at will is a turn-on for me from a fitting in standpoint.
 
PapaG said:
Wallace is such a terrible 3-pt shooter that I just don't see him fitting in to what the SF position needs to be in this offense, and especially as Oden develops and becomes more of a primary scoring option in the low post.
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The team shoots three pointers extremely well, though. I think the team needs someone who attacks the hoop more than a three point shooter. Obviously, three point shooting would be nice, but if I were to prioritize tools in order of importance as I see it, it would go something like: slasher who can finish and draw fouls, excellent perimeter defense, decent passing, decent rebounding, outside shooting

Of course, to be even simpler, I basically want two things: efficient scoring and strong perimeter defense.

Gerald Wallace fits that to a T. Caron Butler is a better overall player but a somewhat less perfect fit. Carter and Jefferson are less good fits, but Carter is like Butler in that he compensates by simply being very good overall. His only flaw is his age. But if he were young-prime, he wouldn't be available.
 
MrJayremmie said:
Wasn't it your arguement that Harris is one of the best PGs in the NBA because he is the best scoring PG in the NBA?
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His scoring is not the sole reason. He is a complete player.

I was just pointing out that Roy scores more, on a team that has plenty of scoring options, is younger, has gone to 2 all star games and is averaging 16.5 ppg, 5apg, and around 7rpg in those 2 games, while Harris has been to one and done nothing. In Roy's 3 years he has 1 ROY and 2 All-star appearnaces.
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Why the hell are you using all-star games to help verify your case? Are you aware that whoever makes the all-star team is decided by subjective voting, right? You are aware that the game itself is completely meaningless, right?

A stupid arguement because Roy is 1 and 1/2 years younger and has accomplished much more in his 3 years in the NBA than Harris has in longer? Or that Roy is doing better this year statistically and is on a better team? Hmmm...
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Brandon Roy was made the team's leader right from the outset. Devin Harris was drafted into a loaded Mavericks team and spent two years on the bench as an eigth man before being made a starter.

Hey, since the Blazers are better than the Heat, does that make Roy better than Dwyane Wade?

Once again your reasoning is junk.

Or you can flip that around and say Harris is getting his stats because he is playing on an average team that centers everything around him.
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LOL @ stad-padding theories. Between the Blazers and Nets, the Nets have three of the top five scorers. Just so you know.

So Harris's best attribute is scoring, and he doesn't even score as much as Roy, yet he is the better player?
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Wanna factor in assists? That is a big part of analyzing a PG, his assist numbers.

Which allows him to inflate his statistics, while Roy has his team at #4 in the MUCH harder Western conference. Last year, if the Blazers were in the east they would be in the playoffs. You will make the playoffs at .500 in the east, which is what the Nets are aiming for.
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LOL @ Harris having inflated stats.


Again, by your standings theory, that would make Roy better than Wade. Outside of Carter and Brook Lopez, Harris doesn't have a whole lot to work with.

I'm simply pointing to the fact that you are in the minority, nothing more. And simply stating that your trade proposal is laughable.
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O noez I in min0ritee foar opinyun!! Wat iz I gonn' doo.


Translation: I don't give a shit what the other people think. I can't see who voted for what in the poll, so I'm not convinced that a bunch of the Blazer posters here didn't just jump over there and vote Roy in the poll.

So you laugh when you got nothing?
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YOU ARE USING ALL-STAR GAME STATISTICS TO HELP VERIFY YOUR CASE. THAT IS THE PEAK OF IDIOCY. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? ALL-STAR GAMES DON'T MEAN SHIT, THE STATISTICS RECORDED IN THOSE GAMES DON'T MEAN SHIT. ALLEN IVERSON AND JOE JOHNSON COMBINED FOR 2 POINTS IN THE ALL-STAR GAME. THOSE STATS DON'T TELL YOU ANYTHING, NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.


And if Harris outplayed Roy you could make the same arguement. But Allen has been the better player all year, which means if he were to outplay Marco, it wouldn't be a big deal, which is similar to what roy did... went into NJ and took care of business, showing he was the best player on the floor.
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You played the 'Jerryd Bayless pwned Devin Harris' card, not the 'Brandon Roy pwned Devin Harris' card. See the difference, and why I called you out on faulty reasoning?
 
MrJayremmie said:
Jefferson has played more games though, right? And with Redd going down, and Bogut if I remember right, he is definitely their number 1 option. Wallace may not be the offensive player that Jefferson is, but the fact that he is 26, a better defender, and can get to the line at will is a turn-on for me from a fitting in standpoint.
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Yeah, I edited that post before you got to read it. Very similar in FTA between the two, however.
 
Wallace...

16.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.6 rpg, in 37mpg. He gets to the lin 6.3 times per game and shoots it at 80%.

Jefferson...

18 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.3 apg in 36mpg. He gets to the line 5.9 times per game and shoots it at 79%.

Take that for what it is.
 
Minstrel said:
The team shoots three pointers extremely well, though. I think the team needs someone who attacks the hoop more than a three point shooter. Obviously, three point shooting would be nice, but if I were to prioritize tools in order of importance as I see it, it would go something like: slasher who can finish and draw fouls, excellent perimeter defense, decent passing, decent rebounding, outside shooting

Of course, to be even simpler, I basically want two things: efficient scoring and strong perimeter defense.

Gerald Wallace fits that to a T. Caron Butler is a better overall player but a somewhat less perfect fit. Carter and Jefferson are less good fits, but Carter is like Butler in that he compensates by simply being very good overall. His only flaw is his age. But if he were young-prime, he wouldn't be available.
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Jefferson is an above average defender as well. I'm just not sold on Wallace right now, which is odd because I was all fired up to see him in Portland about a week ago. Meh, guess we'll just have to wait and see. Any of the four would be OK with me. You won't see me blasting a trade that includes any of them as the incoming centerpiece.
 
Wanna factor in assists? That is a big part of analyzing a PG, his assist numbers.
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Well then lets factor scoring, scoring efficiency, assists, rebounds and PER and see who comes out on top, ok? I mean, in stats Roy is better in everything but assists pretty much, he is the leader of a team who has a much better record, he outplayed his head-to-head, he has more achievements in a shorter amoutn of time, he is younger, etc... I understand that you think Harris is better but other than an arguement that says "I just think Harris is better than Roy" it is hard for you to back your claims up other than list excuses why it took him so long to break out and that certian things don't matter when judging a player.

But i'm sorry, i'm finished arguing. It was fun and I only took this on because I haven't had an arguement for a while, but I can't contribute to hijacking this thread.

*I edited this post, btw*

The team shoots three pointers extremely well, though. I think the team needs someone who attacks the hoop more than a three point shooter. Obviously, three point shooting would be nice, but if I were to prioritize tools in order of importance as I see it, it would go something like: slasher who can finish and draw fouls, excellent perimeter defense, decent passing, decent rebounding, outside shooting

Of course, to be even simpler, I basically want two things: efficient scoring and strong perimeter defense.

Gerald Wallace fits that to a T. Caron Butler is a better overall player but a somewhat less perfect fit. Carter and Jefferson are less good fits, but Carter is like Butler in that he compensates by simply being very good overall. His only flaw is his age. But if he were young-prime, he wouldn't be available.
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Again, Minstrel I agree with you.
 
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MrJayremmie said:
Wallace...

16.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.6 rpg, in 37mpg. He gets to the lin 6.3 times per game and shoots it at 80%.

Jefferson...

18 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.3 apg in 36mpg. He gets to the line 5.9 times per game and shoots it at 79%.

Take that for what it is.
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Hell, maybe I do want Wallace. LOL...will it just be noon tomorrow already?
 
MrJayremmie said:
Again, I think any GM would take Roy over those 3. Amare isn't that good in a system that isn't uptempo which tends to inflate statistics. Roy puts up his stats in the slowest offensive tempo in the NBA. And he still scores more than your boy at a more efficient rate (FG% by about 3%) :)
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Amare isn't that good in a slow paced system when he has to share the paint with Shaq and share a floor with Jason Richardson on top of that. Just a minor correction.


Now tell me why Roy is better than Chris Bosh and Paul Pierce.


I guess the coaches didn't think so over the all-star break... Melo isn't even teh best player on his own team, bud.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Boozer isn't the best player on his own team, AND we arne't comparing Boozer and Roy, but rather Roy and Harris. But I suppose instead of trying to argue Harris v Roy you can try and disprove a statistical measurement.
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My point was, PER is horseshit. Why would you side with John Hollinger?
 
MrJayremmie said:
Well then lets factor scoring, scoring efficiency, assists, rebounds and PER and see who comes out on top, ok? No, i'm done with you, sorry bud. Not going to continue hijacking this thread.
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PER is a retarded stat.


This isn't hijacking, this is debate. I guess I applaud you for getting out of the kitchen since you apparently can't take the heat.
 
PapaG said:
No doubt. On a related note, didn't JE used to be a moderator? What happened?
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I stepped down, I mod another site.

BrianFromWA said:
You know, I learn something new every day.

"Epic Fail" isn't something I know much about, but it seems as if it's teenager-speak for "I just got my ass handed to me. Sorry. I'll leave now."
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No, I just use it when whichever poster I'm debating says something completely wrong/stupid/whatever.


Good try though.
 
Re-check my post, JE (my last one).

WE did hijack this thread, and I think its lame. YOu can call it "not being able to take the heat" if it helps you sleep at night. I don't mind at all.
 
PapaG said:
Do you hijack threads on that site as well? Or did you "step down" solely in order to do so here?
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I'm flattered, but no.

MrJayremmie said:
Re-check my post, JE (my last one).

WE did hijack this thread, and I think its lame. YOu can call it "not being able to take the heat" if it helps you sleep at night. I don't mind at all.
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I guess we have different definitions of hijacking.
 
anyways...2 sources said that rj and ridnour are close to coming to portland
 
Perhaps we can a fight to the death between Rid, Blake, Sergio and Bayless to see which limited point guard will be Portland pg of the future.

My money's on Bayless.
 
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