St. Louis Cardinals vs Detroit Tigers

[Jenkz]

That's definately not a dirt mark. Although it didnt have much of an affect on the game last night becuase it was gone after the second inning and the cardinals still couldnt hit him, it is bothering me that he has been possibly getting away with this all post-season long. Now that I think about it, he does have a history of struggling in the playoffs, until magically this year. Its not that im complaining either, good effort by the Tigers last night, it's just that I hate Kenny Rogers with a passion. I never really liked the way he showed off on the mound with all the intensity he has but last year when he punched that camera dude was the topping on the cake. If the Tigers do win the World Series, I hope they come back and be like "Everyone can keep the ring,except Rogers because we just dont like cheaters"

 

[Jenkz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"Some pitchers, such as Mark Buehrle and Todd Jones, claimed it is a common--if not well-kept--secret among pitchers." according to Wikipedia.I don't get how pine tar would help you throw a ball. Wouldn't it decrease velocity since it improves grip? I'm assuming it would increase control but not enough to cancel out the velocity of the release.Nonetheless, even after washing off his hand or w/e, he pitched 7 shutout innings.On Sports Illustrated, it says they just though it was dirt but LaRussa said the ball was doing funny things.</div>Pine tar helps increase velocity and spin on the ball. And their was alot of spin on the ball.Regardless, he still did pitch 7 shut out innings afterwards but that may be due to the fact that the whole incident got into the Cardinals heads.By the way, LaRussa never said anything about the ball doing funny things. He was just the message boy. It was actually Eckstein,Speizio,and players watching the game from the clubhouse that informed LaRussa that the ball was doing funny things.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jenkz @ Oct 23 2006, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"Some pitchers, such as Mark Buehrle and Todd Jones, claimed it is a common--if not well-kept--secret among pitchers." according to Wikipedia.I don't get how pine tar would help you throw a ball. Wouldn't it decrease velocity since it improves grip? I'm assuming it would increase control but not enough to cancel out the velocity of the release.Nonetheless, even after washing off his hand or w/e, he pitched 7 shutout innings.On Sports Illustrated, it says they just though it was dirt but LaRussa said the ball was doing funny things.</div>Pine tar helps increase velocity and spin on the ball. And their was alot of spin on the ball.Regardless, he still did pitch 7 shut out innings afterwards but that may be due to the fact that the whole incident got into the Cardinals heads.By the way, LaRussa never said anything about the ball doing funny things. He was just the message boy. It was actually Eckstein,Speizio,and players watching the game from the clubhouse that informed LaRussa that the ball was doing funny things.</div>The Same mark was there during the Yankee game he pitched.The Tigers should had to forfiet and the Yankees should be placed in the World Series to play the Cards.

 

[chang]

If it was pine tar...The thing is in the past, pine tar was always in the glove, not on a bare hand.And when you throw a baseball, it's supposed to roll off your fingers, not your thumb.So I don't get how that would benefit a pitcher at all if it's on your thumb.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Oct 23 2006, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If it was pine tar...The thing is in the past, pine tar was always in the glove, not on a bare hand.And when you throw a baseball, it's supposed to roll off your fingers, not your thumb.So I don't get how that would benefit a pitcher at all if it's on your thumb.</div>The ball doesn't normally sit there, so you wouldn't get any on the ball that you didn't want to. In the glove and on the fingers, some gets on the ball by mistake. Easier to only doctor the pitches you want.

 

[Jenkz]

Woody Paige brought up a pretty good point as to why the spot was on his thumb today. Im not quite sure what he said now, but he convinved me that it was pine tar all the way.

 

[DevinHester23]

That looked like shit

 

[Jon_Vilma]

Carpenter Dominated tonight. 8 shutout Innings, 6 K's, 3 Hits, 0 Walks.

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jenkz @ Oct 23 2006, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

That's definately not a dirt mark. Although it didnt have much of an affect on the game last night becuase it was gone after the second inning and the cardinals still couldnt hit him, it is bothering me that he has been possibly getting away with this all post-season long. Now that I think about it, he does have a history of struggling in the playoffs, until magically this year. Its not that im complaining either, good effort by the Tigers last night, it's just that I hate Kenny Rogers with a passion. I never really liked the way he showed off on the mound with all the intensity he has but last year when he punched that camera dude was the topping on the cake. If the Tigers do win the World Series, I hope they come back and be like "Everyone can keep the ring,except Rogers because we just dont like cheaters"</div>I definately think he was cheating. Once the playoffs began he went from throwing 84-85 to 91-92 out of nowhere and nobody thought anything of it. The same spot was there for all 3 playoff games and the first time somebody noticed it and said something he magically goes and wipes it off before the umpires can talk to him then claims it was dirt? I dont think so. I also love the assumption that the second half of that game was legit. Who is to say he didnt move the Pine Tar to somewhere else, such as in his glove?

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

So, the experts on ESPN said Tigers in 6. Tigers keep playing like they did in games 1 and 3, this series is over in 5.

 

[Jenkz]

Im tired of experts...They've hated on the Cardinals all post-season long. Under dogs in every game. Funny now how they change their opinion on the Cardinals. Before the World Series, these so called "experts" we giving the series to the Tigers in 5. One writer even joked about how the Tigers would win it in 3. Jim Leyland was the only one who realized that it wasnt going to be a walk in the park. He said at the beginning of the series that the Cardinals were going to be a tough squad to play.

 

[Jenkz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I also love the assumption that the second half of that game was legit. Who is to say he didnt move the Pine Tar to somewhere else, such as in his glove?</div>I absolutely agree.You noticed the first inning when he was blowing into his hands, all his fingers were on the dirt spot. So that answers the question as to how it would help if he had it on the base of his thumb. When he "blew in his hands" He was getting the tar on his fingertips. Also, from highlights I've watched. He went from blowing his hands in the first inning, to blowing his hands and running the fingers along the bill of his cap everytime he threw a pitch. Also, when Hal McRay said he found scuffed balls, he wasnt lying. Their were about 6-7 balls.

 

[GotSkillz92]

What are scuffed balls?

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Oct 25 2006, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What are scuffed balls?</div>Another way of cheating, can be done by something as simple as a Hidden Nail File. I believe what it does is change the spin of the ball. Therefore giving it weird movement.

 

[chang]

There are way too many ways to cheat in baseball.There's no way any game in baseball is remotely 50% clean including steroids and hidden tactics.

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

PPD. Fucking rain. :glare:

 

[DevinHester23]

DAM!

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

Another error by a Tigers pitcher and this game is tied!!!! :beerbang2: :beerbang2:

 

[Jon_Vilma]

The Genius La Russa put in Wainwright instead of Flores and the game is tied up again.

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

Eckstein!!!!! :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2:

 

[DevinHester23]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AdropOFvenom]

The Cardinals look like they are going to win it all being up 3-1 in a 7 Game Set. It would take a big chokejob now for that not to happen.....Im glad for Tony La Russa, but that's about it.But so much for that 'Superior AL' you guys have been going on about for months, eh? :whistling:

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Oct 27 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Cardinals look like they are going to win it all being up 3-1 in a 7 Game Set. It would take a big chokejob now for that not to happen.....Im glad for Tony La Russa, but that's about it.But so much for that 'Superior AL' you guys have been going on about for months, eh? :whistling:</div>ESPN "experts" said Tigers in 6. :whistling:

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Oct 27 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Cardinals look like they are going to win it all being up 3-1 in a 7 Game Set. It would take a big chokejob now for that not to happen.....Im glad for Tony La Russa, but that's about it.But so much for that 'Superior AL' you guys have been going on about for months, eh? :whistling:</div>Yeah.. so much for it. Congrats though, one of your teams can beat one of ours.. I'll give you props for that.

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rex Grossman 8 @ Oct 27 2006, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Oct 27 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Cardinals look like they are going to win it all being up 3-1 in a 7 Game Set. It would take a big chokejob now for that not to happen.....Im glad for Tony La Russa, but that's about it.But so much for that 'Superior AL' you guys have been going on about for months, eh? :whistling:</div>ESPN "experts" said Tigers in 6. :whistling:</div>Since when is anybody from ESPN an expert though? lolTheir analyists consist of a Failed GM (Steve Phillips), a Failed Coach (Dusty Baker), and a bunch of mediocre major leaguers like Eric Byrnes and John Kruk. lol

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Oct 27 2006, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rex Grossman 8 @ Oct 27 2006, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Oct 27 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Cardinals look like they are going to win it all being up 3-1 in a 7 Game Set. It would take a big chokejob now for that not to happen.....Im glad for Tony La Russa, but that's about it.But so much for that 'Superior AL' you guys have been going on about for months, eh? :whistling:</div>ESPN "experts" said Tigers in 6. :whistling:</div>Since when is anybody from ESPN an expert though? lolTheir analyists consist of a Failed GM (Steve Phillips), a Failed Coach (Dusty Baker), and a bunch of mediocre major leaguers like Eric Byrnes and John Kruk. lol</div> :LMAO:

 

[chang]

Congrats to the Cards.Well played out series. Made Detroit pay for all those errors.

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

Cardinals are your 2006 WS Champs!!! :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2:

 

[The Marine]

yeah baby :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2:

 

[Jon_Vilma]