Start Meyers against the Rockets

[BlayZa]

the only interaction Meyers should have with the Rockets is watching old tapes of Hakeem and studying the living fuck out of them.

Every time Meyers touches the ball, an offense dies.

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...To buy him out

this year - dont play him
next year - dont pay him

 

[BlayZa]

Against Dwight Howard and the Rockets, Meyers has been a force for the Blazers. In the Feb 10 game, 14 points and holding down Dwight's scoring and rebounds by Meyers were important. Meyers is a better choice than Noah to start against the Rockets (or Dallas, Washington, Sacramento, and Detroit).

Since he is a force against the Rockets, this is a game in which Meyers should shoot at least 10 FGA, play more than 20 min, and continue improving his potent (hands high) defense to continue the winning streak. Holding Cousins to just 2 of 12 shooting was remarkable. I can see Meyers contributing 18 points and energetic defense in the Blazer win over the Rockets today!

so 1 myopic sample game = a force?

err, a few days prior we also played houston and Meyers turned in a very 'forceful'.....
15mins
3 pts
3 pfs
4 to's
and somehow 7 rbs managed to fall into his lap.

A FORCE!!!!!

 

[swish3]

The point is to play Meyers enough to bring out his best. In the games when he had only 3 pts, he didn't have enough min to get in the zone. When he is in less than 20 min and taking, in some cases, only 3 shots, the Blazers are missing out on some needed scoring, quick passing, and energetic defense. Short time fails to allow his talent to show.

The Rockets are the team that Meyers should be assigned to break out on. Task him to shoot 10+ FGA. Then watch him score 18+ points, rebound, make assists, and defend energetically against Josh and Dwight.

 

[SIeepwalker]

That's just delusional

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The point is to play Meyers enough to bring out his best. In the games when he had only 3 pts, he didn't have enough min to get in the zone. When he is in less than 20 min and taking, in some cases, only 3 shots, the Blazers are missing out on some needed scoring, quick passing, and energetic defense. Short time fails to allow his talent to show.

The Rockets are the team that Meyers should be assigned to break out on. Task him to shoot 10+ FGA. Then watch him score 18+ points, rebound, make assists, and defend energetically against Josh and Dwight.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that when he plays well, it's because he was given minutes, when in reality, it's the inverse: when he's effective in the initial minutes he's allotted, he gets more. Unfortunately, those instances are few and far between.

 

[swish3]

No. Earned minutes are understood. What I suggest is that the timing and path that will bring the talent should be early and energetically focused. Meyers is capable of much more than came of the last few games. Give him the green light, encouragement, and watch him excel.

 

[Strenuus]

No. Earned minutes are understood. What I suggest is that the timing and path that will bring the talent should be early and energetically focused. Meyers is capable of much more than came of the last few games. Give him the green light, encouragement, and watch him excel.

You, like Meyers, are hopeless.

 

[H.C.]

The problem is Nards isn't doing other things outside of being a threat from distance like other players are at the moment.
It doesn't matter how many minutes you get, you can always do the little things. Being that he's not doing these things, Stotts is making the correct coaching decision and not giving Nards minutes he hasn't earned.
If you don't bring energy in your first stint, you don't continue to get minutes that could go to others that are bringing that energy.
Can't penalize Harkless, Vonleh, or Davis all because you are hoping Nards brings something different in a second or third stint on the court.

Frankly right now, if Stotts were to give Nards more minutes taking minutes away from the other bigs.. Then there should be a call for Stotts' job.

 

[Sinobas]

On second thought, no, don't.

 

[BlayZa]

ok now im 100% sure you're a troll.

nobody can be this stupid.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nice defensive possession by Meyers there at 3:00 in the 2nd drawing the offensive foul on Howard. If there's one thing Meyers can do well, it's irritate opposing centers.

 

[KingSpeed]

The point is to play Meyers enough to bring out his best. In the games when he had only 3 pts, he didn't have enough min to get in the zone. When he is in less than 20 min and taking, in some cases, only 3 shots, the Blazers are missing out on some needed scoring, quick passing, and energetic defense. Short time fails to allow his talent to show.

The Rockets are the team that Meyers should be assigned to break out on. Task him to shoot 10+ FGA. Then watch him score 18+ points, rebound, make assists, and defend energetically against Josh and Dwight.

I agree with this.

 

[swish3]

This is why I started this thread, to make the case that Meyers should have more playing time, and not be limited to just 3 FGA, as in recent games. Tonight, Meyers was in for 9:10 in the 2nd quarter when the Blazers were building a 64 point first half. Meyers should have been back in the game to bring much needed Blazer energy on both ends of the court before the lead was gone. He should have scored 18, not 3.

Instead, he only was back in with 1:28 left, and that lack of decision missed the opportunities for the rest of the minutes that he should have had. If Meyers had been back in and shot the other 8 FGA (I advocated 10+ FGA), the Blazers may have had 27 points instead of the shockingly poor 12 points that are in the tally for the 4th quarter, and a Win instead of a Loss.

When the starting lineup was dragging in the 3rd and 4th quarters, the time for substitutions, new energy, awakened defense, and scoring talent was needed. Let's hope that the coaches respond to those signals in the coming games. This game should not have gotten away.

 

[Strenuus]

This is why I started this thread, to make the case that Meyers should have more playing time, and not be limited to just 3 FGA, as in recent games. Tonight, Meyers was in for 9:10 in the 2nd quarter when the Blazers were building a 64 point first half. Meyers should have been back in the game to bring much needed Blazer energy on both ends of the court before the lead was gone. He should have scored 18, not 3.

Instead, he only was back in with 1:28 left, and that lack of decision missed the opportunities for the rest of the minutes that he should have had. If Meyers had been back in and shot the other 8 FGA (I advocated 10+ FGA), the Blazers may have had 27 points instead of the shockingly poor 12 points that are in the tally for the 4th quarter, and a Win instead of a Loss.

When the starting lineup was dragging in the 3rd and 4th quarters, the time for substitutions, new energy, awakened defense, and scoring talent was needed. Let's hope that the coaches respond to those signals in the coming games. This game should not have gotten away.

Meyers playing or not playing was not the reason we lost, and I highly doubt he would have helped us win.

 

[swish3]

Strennus, I disagree. Meyers should have been in the game by the time the lead declined to <10 as the Rockets climbed quickly through the 80s. He would have brought energy and given the job of scoring would have added the additional 15 points to win the game. When Mo was fading in the 3rd quarter, indications of the need to substitute became all too apparent. The virtue of having the Blazer boost from the bench should be to avoid the team fatigue letdown that we endured in the 12 point 4th quarter. Meyers play in the 2nd quarter--when the Blazer lead extended--merited minutes in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

The game could have been won if Meyers had played the additional 10+ minutes and countered the Hardin swish3s in the 2nd half.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

The problem with your theory @swish3 is that you say Meyers is being limited as he should take at least 10 shots. The coach isn't limiting Leonard from shooting. That is Meyers himself who keeps passing up shots. It is on him to shoot the ball and often times he doesn't even when wide open.

 

[Strenuus]

Strennus, I disagree. Meyers should have been in the game by the time the lead declined to <10 as the Rockets climbed quickly through the 80s. He would have brought energy and given the job of scoring would have added the additional 15 points to win the game. When Mo was fading in the 3rd quarter, indications of the need to substitute became all too apparent. The virtue of having the Blazer boost from the bench should be to avoid the team fatigue letdown that we endured in the 12 point 4th quarter. Meyers play in the 2nd quarter--when the Blazer lead extended--merited minutes in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

The game could have been won if Meyers had played the additional 10+ minutes and countered the Hardin swish3s in the 2nd half.

Okay. Lets use logic here.

When Houston's D forced our guards on the perimeter, why would a guy whose main game is ON THE PERIMETER make us better? The whole second half they changed their D, houston did. And Meyers was NOT the answer. That's not me hating, that's me knowing that we would now bring a THIRD guy out of the paint to the ALREADY clogged perimeter.

So, no, I'm sorry, but logic doesn't pass your fantasy, like every other one you've made. You can have all this fantasy about him doing it, but if the situation doesn't dictate it...

Logic. Use it.

 

[swish3]

My logic says that the perimeter is the opportunity for the swish3s, and because of spacing will not be clogged. There is too much space beyond the arc for it all to be covered. Meyers adds another 3 point threat. Dame and CJ were missing shots. With good perimeter ball movement and kick out passes from drives, Meyers can be open to make the additional 5 swish3s that would make the difference.

The thought is based on what we have seen Meyers do in his highest scoring games, with the capability of 18+ points per game. Putting in his fresh energy and scoring talent in the 2nd half appears to be a better choice than leaving in a tired and declining Mo. In this from the bench scenario, Meyers would freshen the offense, and with the green light to take 10+ FGAs, get the win.

 

[BlayZa]

meyers wouldnt have done shit except get beaten on perimeter D more than we already were.

look, im sure we can put him in for your 20mins and let a myriad of slow movement buckets through, but luckily our coach has seen what MEyers wants to bring to the table and has effectively NOPED his whole shit.

can't wait till he's off the team and this trolling bs can fuck right off.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

In fairness, our biggest problem in the 4th was offensive. We scored 12 points. Our offense in the 4th primarily consisted of Dame/CJ futilely attempting to dribble-drive, and then throwing ill-advised passes when they couldn't get themselves open. Meyers' passing ability very well might have been of value in running the offense as designed and actually finding open shots.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

In fairness, our biggest problem in the 4th was offensive. We scored 12 points. Our offense in the 4th primarily consisted of Dame/CJ futilely attempting to dribble-drive, and then throwing ill-advised passes when they couldn't get themselves open. Meyers' passing ability very well might have been of value in running the offense as designed and actually finding open shots.

I think there might be something to this. I read something about a month ago that even though we had a high rate of assisted baskets we actually have a very low number of passes per possession.

 

[swish3]

Indeed! The perimeter passing role (and altered spacing) that Meyers sets up forces changes in the defense that seem obvious. Assuming that he is assigned to take the open swish3s that result, the Blazers can rapidly go from 12 to 27 points in the quarter, and that would have won it.

 

[BlayZa]

Indeed! The perimeter passing role (and altered spacing) that Meyers sets up forces changes in the defense that seem obvious. Assuming that he is assigned to take the open swish3s that result, the Blazers can rapidly go from 12 to 27 points in the quarter, and that would have won it.

so meyers gets in, spaces the floor, makes all these assists (wtf?) AND makes 5 3pts (so 15 attempts) resulting in us winning the game.

wtf are you on?

 

[Strenuus]

Indeed! The perimeter passing role (and altered spacing) that Meyers sets up forces changes in the defense that seem obvious. Assuming that he is assigned to take the open swish3s that result, the Blazers can rapidly go from 12 to 27 points in the quarter, and that would have won it.

Do you not understand basic concepts? Or rational thinking?

Do you even think?

 

[swish3]

What Meyers would have added in the 3rd and 4th quarters was the ball movement when he was in that drove up the lead in the 2nd quarter. With the double teaming of Dame and CJ after picks and the resulting open shot for Meyers, the Rocket defense could be broken. In several games this year and last, he has made 50% of his swish3s. He could have added the 5 swish3s in 10 shots assuming he was mandated to take them. Substituting Meyers for Mo before losing the double digit lead is what was missing.

 

[riverman]

agree with swish3 or not....just because swish3 is a huge Meyers fan does not call for insults...a little sarcasm maybe but someone who wants Meyers to succeed and be in the rotation more is thinking, just not thinking what the majority here do...some of you guys are mods...you know about the insult rules. I listened to a really good interview with Meyers and he's a bright guy who knows what he needs to address. He's just taking longer than some bigs do learning to adapt his weakness and not just shoot swish3s....I think the coaching staff will keep him around.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Yeah, get off Mrs. Leonard's back!

 

[Strenuus]

What Meyers would have added in the 3rd and 4th quarters was the ball movement when he was in that drove up the lead in the 2nd quarter. With the double teaming of Dame and CJ after picks and the resulting open shot for Meyers, the Rocket defense could be broken. In several games this year and last, he has made 50% of his swish3s. He could have added the 5 swish3s in 10 shots assuming he was mandated to take them. Substituting Meyers for Mo before losing the double digit lead is what was missing.

So, do you take into account that he would bring out his man from the paint, further clogging the perimeter?

No? Mkay, then. Your idea: Thwarted. Again.

 

[Strenuus]

agree with swish3 or not....just because swish3 is a huge Meyers fan does not call for insults...a little sarcasm maybe but someone who wants Meyers to succeed and be in the rotation more is thinking, just not thinking what the majority here do...some of you guys are mods...you know about the insult rules. I listened to a really good interview with Meyers and he's a bright guy who knows what he needs to address. He's just taking longer than some bigs do learning to adapt his weakness and not just shoot swish3s....I think the coaching staff will keep him around.

Dont you start saying it too! :MARIS61:

 

[Strenuus]

I wonder what the average is for years it takes a "center" to finally get it? It never feels like it takes THIS long.

Then again, maybe it's the coaching staff that's hindering Meyers? They are trying to make him a PF when he should be a center.

So maybe my criticism should go somewhere else.... and criticizing is fine, by the way. Because one of the two deserve it.