State of the Union: The Thread

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Denny Crane said:
I don't see the bottom 99% building factories and hiring any workers in number. Do you?
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They ARE the workers, and they build the factories. Do you think the rich guys build the factories? Do you think this site could function with only you and not us posters? Could Blazer management draw fans without players, and could it make money without fans?

The top of the pyramid thinks it floats without the bottom. You need an acid trip to discover that the conscious mind is 1% of the mind. You'd be amazed at how much is going on in your subconscious mind, supporting the royal conscious mind which thinks that it acts independently.
 
I think the relationship is symbiotic.

Painting a house might make $10K, but it is really hard work and you might go months between jobs.

The guy who figures out how to keep many house painters employed year round adds huge value. If h charges each house painter $100/mo., gets the painters 12 jobs a year, and does it for 1M house painters, he's going to make a LOT of money in comparison.

The house painters gladly pay the $100 to earn 2x.
 
Denny Crane said:
There are three kinds of work. Hard work, team work, and smart work. The latter is most productive and likely most valuable.
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Reminds me of the old story about Ford & Steinmetz:

Auto maker Henry Ford asked electrical genius Charlie Steinmetz to build the generators for his factory. One day the generators ground to a halt, and the repairmen couldn’t find the problem. So Ford called Steinmetz, who tinkered with the machines for a few hours and then threw the switch. The generators whirred to life—but Ford got a bill for $10,000 from Steinmetz. Flabbergasted, the rather tightfisted car maker inquired why the bill was so high.

Steinmetz’s reply: For tinkering with the generators, $10. For knowing where to tinker, $9,990.
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How much do you guys want to bet that Obama gets re-elected?
 
I think most people would think that he will be. Its his race to lose. He's very iconic and marketable.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I think most people would think that he will be. Its his race to lose. He's very iconic and marketable.
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....and actually got shit done while being stonewalled throughout. Republicans never wanted him to succeed from the get go.
 
Its a system of checks and balances. Yes, he did spend a lot of money and increase our debt to new heights.
 
Things appear to be turning because the republican blocked his proposals that would have made the problems worse.

Nothing, and tax cuts from the start and we would be much further along in the recovery by now.

The signature achievements of his first term are an unpopular health care program, a mountain of new debt, a 25% bigger govt., our homes underwater, higher unemployment, and a slew of broken promises.

But he got Bin Laden!
 
reminder: green energy jobs + road construction is the future and how to get america moving again. :MARIS61:

Its scary. Home sales last year are the worst since the 1960s. And this is after the interest rates are at CONTINUED historical lows. Meanwhile, the country continues to pile on debt at a rapid pace. Whomever is the president for the next four years is going to have to oversee this disaster that is looming.

The question you have to ask yourself, is who is best prepared to guide America for the impending debt crisis. I love Newt's swagger, but as far as experience in these matters, I'd have to go with Romney.
 
MickZagger said:
I just LOL'd so hard that you made me spit up my chocolate milk through my nose. I licked it off the keyboard.
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Now, if you had a goat, it would lick the keyboard for you. At times, goats can be much more handy than fancy sports cars.
 
Youthful looks will decide the election. Romney and Gingrich seem old enough to be Obama's grandfather.

obamaandgrandpa.jpg
 
Denny Crane said:
Things appear to be turning because the republican blocked his proposals that would have made the problems worse.

Nothing, and tax cuts from the start and we would be much further along in the recovery by now.
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That's pretty silly. Nothing, and tax cuts, is what got us INTO this mess. It was called the Bush administration, if you've forgotten.

The signature achievements of his first term are an unpopular health care program, a mountain of new debt, a 25% bigger govt.,
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Government is not 25% bigger. That's absurd. Go ahead and provide a link for that. I'll wait. Well, actually, I won't wait, but I might come back later to notice your admission that that was a big lie that you said right there.

our homes underwater, higher unemployment, and a slew of broken promises.

But he got Bin Laden!
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barfo
 

Last year. After the Packers / Bills game, Buffalo released quarterback Trent Edwards.

During the Packers / Eagles game, the Packers injured Philadelphia quarterback Kevin Kolb.
Philadelphia then had to play backup quarterback Michael Vick.

During a playoff game against the Eagles, the Packers injured Michael Vick and another
backup was needed.

After the Packers / Cowboys game, Dallas fired Wade Phillips and most of his staff.

After the Packers / Vikings game, Minnesota fired Brad Childress and most of his staff.

Four weeks after losing to the Packers, the 49er’s coach Mike Singletary
and most of his staff were fired and replaced.

During the Bears Playoff game, the Packers injured Jay Cutler and backup
Todd Collins forcing the Bears to go with 3rd string quarterback Caleb Hanie

After all the information above:

Here’s the question. Is it just me, or did the Packers create more jobs
last year than Obama?
 
ABM said:

Last year. After the Packers / Bills game, Buffalo released quarterback Trent Edwards.

During the Packers / Eagles game, the Packers injured Philadelphia quarterback Kevin Kolb.
Philadelphia then had to play backup quarterback Michael Vick.

During a playoff game against the Eagles, the Packers injured Michael Vick and another
backup was needed.

After the Packers / Cowboys game, Dallas fired Wade Phillips and most of his staff.

After the Packers / Vikings game, Minnesota fired Brad Childress and most of his staff.

Four weeks after losing to the Packers, the 49er’s coach Mike Singletary
and most of his staff were fired and replaced.

During the Bears Playoff game, the Packers injured Jay Cutler and backup
Todd Collins forcing the Bears to go with 3rd string quarterback Caleb Hanie

After all the information above:

Here’s the question. Is it just me, or did the Packers create more jobs
last year than Obama?
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It's just you. The rest of us understand that replacing employees is not job creation.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's pretty silly. Nothing, and tax cuts, is what got us INTO this mess. It was called the Bush administration, if you've forgotten.
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What you wrote is silly partisan spin. Govt. pushing banks to loan to unqualified buyers got us into this mess.


Government is not 25% bigger. That's absurd. Go ahead and provide a link for that. I'll wait. Well, actually, I won't wait, but I might come back later to notice your admission that that was a big lie that you said right there.



barfo
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By several measures, govt. is 25% bigger. Bush's last budget was $3T in spending, the current budget is $3.8T.

The federal debt is over $16T. It was $11T when Obama took office.

You want a link?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/09/news/economy/cbo_budget_update/index.htm
Uncle Sam: $407 billion in the hole

(it's 3x higher now)

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/hist.pdf

See page 29.

Govt. spending as % of GDP was 19.6% in 2007, 25.1% in 2011 (that's a 25% increase).
 
barfo said:
That's pretty silly. Nothing, and tax cuts, is what got us INTO this mess.
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Oh dear. Those enormous tax cuts that, when signed by Bush, that were estimated at a revenue decline of $170 billion per year? Those are the cause of the ~$1.5 TRILLION per year deficits?

You have a lot of reading up to do. Clearly you weren't doing so in your absence.
 
An overwhelming majority of Americans approved of the overall message in President Obama's State of the Union speech on Tuesday night, according to a CBS News poll of speech watchers.

According to the poll, which was conducted online by Knowledge Networks immediately after the president's address, 91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved.

Last year, 83 percent of viewers approved of Mr. Obama's State of the Union remarks.

This year, 82 percent of those who watched the speech said they approve of the president's plans for the economy, up from 53 percent who approved before the speech. Eighty percent said they approved of Mr. Obama's plans for the deficit -- in contrast to 45 percent before the speech. Eighty-three percent approved of Mr. Obama's proposals regarding Afghanistan, which received only a 57 percent approval rating beforehand.
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:dunno:
 
He promised to cut the $1.6T deficit in half by 2011. People ate it up. He hasn't cut the deficit in half, and it sure wasn't republicans blocking that agenda.

He said several times that he was going to focus on job creation. The next day after saying it, he'd go on vacation.
 
Denny Crane said:
He promised to cut the $1.6T deficit in half by 2011. People ate it up. He hasn't cut the deficit in half, and it sure wasn't republicans blocking that agenda.

He said several times that he was going to focus on job creation. The next day after saying it, he'd go on vacation.
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Doesn't make a lot of sense really. I a tidally thought he would at least try to take the Clinton approach when he had all the house and senate backing him. Personally, I think he dug himself into a deep ass hole. It sucks he may get another term in office.
 
Denny Crane said:
He promised to cut the $1.6T deficit in half by 2011. People ate it up. He hasn't cut the deficit in half, and it sure wasn't republicans blocking that agenda.
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Link me to republicans voting to support his agenda(s) on deficit cutting. I dare you.
 
Pretty clear Americans approve of Obama's stated goals and the programs he has proposed.

It would appear most previous unfavorable opinions were drawn from media lies and intentional distortions by the right and once Obama set the record straight they overwhelmingly support him.

This year, 82 percent of those who watched the speech said they approve of the president's plans for the economy, up from 53 percent who approved before the speech. Eighty percent said they approved of Mr. Obama's plans for the deficit -- in contrast to 45 percent before the speech. Eighty-three percent approved of Mr. Obama's proposals regarding Afghanistan, which received only a 57 percent approval rating beforehand.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its scary. Home sales last year are the worst since the 1960s.I love Newt's swagger, but as far as experience in these matters, I'd have to go with Romney.
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Mitt Romney (and his owners on Wall Street) made their fortunes by creating the housing crisis and by prolonging it.

The fox ate your chickens and now you want to hand over the entire farm to him.

It would be easier and less painful for you to just shoot yourself and get it over with.
 
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