State of the Union: The Thread

[Denny Crane]

Link me to republicans voting to support his agenda(s) on deficit cutting. I dare you.

He hasn't proposed cutting the deficit. The big fights have been over increasing the debt ceiling to cover his reckless spending habits and to extend tax cuts without paying for them.

 

[MARIS61]

What you wrote is silly partisan spin. Govt. pushing banks to loan to unqualified buyers got us into this mess.

If by that you mean Bush/Cheney told Wall Street they could ignore the extremely tight regulations already in law, could deny knowledge of illegal loan practices by mortgage brokers, could buy and resell these illegally obtained mortgages without disclosure, could reward aforementioned mortgage brokers for their illegal acts, could lie to their investors as to the safety and viability of these mortgages as investment vehicles, could lie to Congress about their illegal acts...and Bush/Cheney would look the other way, then your post is valid. Except for the partisan spin comment.

The mere support and enforcement of already existing loan laws by Bush/Cheney would have ensured no housing bubble and no housing crash. It was premeditated, preplanned, and fully executed to rape the middle class in order to complete the transfer of control of our country to the 1%.

 

[MARIS61]

He hasn't proposed cutting the deficit. The big fights have been over increasing the debt ceiling to cover his reckless spending habits and to extend tax cuts without paying for them.

Bullshit.

The debt ceiling was raised to cover Bush/Cheney's spending, who also own the tax cuts they never payed for.

Keep throwing your misinformation out there.

 

[Denny Crane]

Bullshit.

The debt ceiling was raised to cover Bush/Cheney's spending, who also own the tax cuts they never payed for.

Keep throwing your misinformation out there.

Bullshit yourself.

Obama's budgets have been 2x what Clinton's balanced budget was, and 33% higher than Bush's last budget. The spending is also masked by the Fed printing money to buy up $trillions of Obama's debts.

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[RoyToy]

He promised to cut the $1.6T deficit in half by 2011. People ate it up. He hasn't cut the deficit in half, and it sure wasn't republicans blocking that agenda.

He said several times that he was going to focus on job creation. The next day after saying it, he'd go on vacation.

So is this not true then?

In the last 22 months, businesses have created more than three million jobs. Last year, they created the most jobs since 2005. American manufacturers are hiring again, creating jobs for the first time since the late 1990s.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is true

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-usa-economy-snapanalysis-idUSTRE7B110T20111202

 

[magnifier661]

Link me to republicans voting to support his agenda(s) on deficit cutting. I dare you.

I don't think you understand what Denny was saying. Even if the Republicans wanted to block his agenda; they just couldn't. The Democrats had majority House and Senate. All they had to do was let it go through.

 

[huevonkiller]

obama is a horrible speaker

ummmmm.......ummmmm, so annoying

I've always thought that too, his voice is annoying.

Politicians should try to not read off the prompter.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think you understand what Denny was saying. Even if the Republicans wanted to block his agenda; they just couldn't. The Democrats had majority House and Senate. All they had to do was let it go through.

That's not exactly right.

When Obama had majorities in the house and senate, and in the depths of a severe recession, his agenda was to mandate people buy health care from the insurance companies, cap and trade, government take over of GM and gave it to the unions, $5T in deficit spending, $800B in "stimulus" that was really pork for his extremist left-wing supporters, extended unemployment benefits (disincentive to work or form capital), etc. His green energy initiative turned into a bunch of bankruptcies and lost taxpayer dollars.

Republicans took the house and have stopped that agenda and made only a dent in the structural $trillion-plus deficits in exchange for the debt ceiling increase. But they are at least brakes for the runaway train that is government. The only accomplishments for this government the past year have been that debt ceiling increase/spending cuts and tax cuts (social security).

My view is that government interference lengthened and made the recession deeper than it should have been. We've had deep recessions like this before (blame game to the contrary) and the recoveries have been much stronger and earlier. If the economy is now showing signs of coming back to some level of strength, it sure looks like it's done so since the republicans took the house and squashed much of the further damage that Obama and democrats would have done otherwise.

It's dubious that any republican candidate (other than Paul) is anything but a clown, but 4 more years of Obama and democrats would be a huge set back for the people. I don't want republicans back in power in congress and the white house, but we do need a change at the top.