Stein: "HOU determined to trade Asik by Dec 19th"

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Wizard Mentor said:
Suppose we live in a magical christmas world where we gave up only Leonard and Freeland...

"LaMarcus, you know Omer Asik" grins Olshey who's sporting a Christmas tie. A solemn Aldridge shakes Asik's hand. "He and Robin will insure that you never play a minute of Center this year or in the near future!" Aldridge embraces a large grin and says to Asik "Let me show you around, you'll like it here!"
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Doesn't he already know his way around? Also, for that matter, didn't he play with Aldridge already?
 
I don't know at all what it means, but it's odd to me that with great defensive rebounders like Howard and Asik, we have the same defensve rebound percentage that Houston does.
 
mook said:
I don't know that the attitude thing is that big of a deal. He's maybe a to 3-5 NBA center. It's not unreasonable for him to demand to play more than 10 or 20 mpg.
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I totally agree with this, by the way. His supposed 'attitude' won't be why this deal doesn't happen. It'll be something else.
 
Oh we traded the rights to him to Chicago. Didn't realize he never played here
 
I've been really thinking about this and I would love the duo of Lopez/Asik. Of course that would mean only if Asik is fine switching duties with Lopez each game.

Maybe asik just knew that Howard is a 38 minute player and his time would be too short. What if he knew on any given day, he's getting 20-30 minutes a game?
 
magnifier661 said:
I've been really thinking about this and I would love the duo of Lopez/Asik. Of course that would mean only if Asik is fine switching duties with Lopez each game.

Maybe asik just knew that Howard is a 38 minute player and his time would be too short. What if he knew on any given day, he's getting 20-30 minutes a game?
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It's a risk Mags. We've heard Dame, LMA, Wes, and Mo talk about the chemistry on this team. Aldridge is saying he's had the most fun ever in his time in Portland. Is it worth risking that by trading for a guy who has been a malcontent this season?
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's a risk Mags. We've heard Dame, LMA, Wes, and Mo talk about the chemistry on this team. Aldridge is saying he's had the most fun ever in his time in Portland. Is it worth risking that by trading for a guy who has been a malcontent this season?
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It's a huge risk and I'm really battling it. On one end, he's publicly called out his team and ruined any shot of them getting good value in return. On the other end, they must have promised something to asik to really want to come to Houston. Still doesn't give asik a right to be a whiney bitch about it.

For us, we have great chemistry! On the other end, having a legit back up center is a great plus. God forbid Lopez goes down. If that happens, asik is there to clean up for us. Also, the demand on Lopez wouldn't be as bad, so he can give his all for the full time on court (not that he hasn't already). What it really does is not have our defense take a hit when Lopez sits. Freeland is pimp and I love his effort, but he is hardly even in the same caliber as Asik.

So what is really questioned is 1.) will Asik come off the bench, even though he will get 20-25 minutes per game? 2.) will Lopez work well with Asik?

I think the answers are both yes!
 
I don't get why you guys are talking about Asik so much either. He's not very good.

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rasheedfan2005 said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...t/offensiveRebounds/qualified/false/split/128

Joel Freeland #6 in offensive boards off bench and at least 4 less minutes per game than anyone above him. not to mention after he snags it he's quick to find a shooter or lamarcus. Fuck asik.
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I don't have access to ESPN at work but how many minutes did you run it at? I went to NBA.com and ran it at all players <= 22 mpg and Joel is 9th in off rebounding while Asik is 12th. Where you get the big difference is Asik is 5th in the league at rebounding with 6.8 per game and <=22 mpg. Joel Freeland is half of that at 3.4 per game. While he is a good offensive rebounder Joel could def use work on the defensive end. the .2 difference on the offensive rebounding is pretty insignificant with this small of a sample size when you compare it to the trb they bring down.
 
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VanillaGorilla said:
I don't get why you guys are talking about Asik so much either. He's not very good.

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Blows my mind that someone that likes Pryz enough to name his username after him doesn't like Asik. He is one of the best rebounding/defensive centers in the league.
 
magnifier661 said:
It's a huge risk and I'm really battling it. On one end, he's publicly called out his team and ruined any shot of them getting good value in return. On the other end, they must have promised something to asik to really want to come to Houston. Still doesn't give asik a right to be a whiney bitch about it.

For us, we have great chemistry! On the other end, having a legit back up center is a great plus. God forbid Lopez goes down. If that happens, asik is there to clean up for us. Also, the demand on Lopez wouldn't be as bad, so he can give his all for the full time on court (not that he hasn't already). What it really does is not have our defense take a hit when Lopez sits. Freeland is pimp and I love his effort, but he is hardly even in the same caliber as Asik.

So what is really questioned is 1.) will Asik come off the bench, even though he will get 20-25 minutes per game? 2.) will Lopez work well with Asik?

I think the answers are both yes!
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He won't want to come off the bench.
 
ponderguy said:
I don't have access to ESPN at work but how many minutes did you run it at? I went to NBA.com and ran it at all players <= 22 mpg and Joel is 9th in off rebounding while Asik is 12th. Where you get the big difference is Asik is 5th in the league at rebounding with 6.8 per game and <=22 mpg. Joel Freeland is half of that at 3.4 per game. While he is a good offensive rebounder Joel could def use work on the defensive end. the .2 difference on the offensive rebounding is pretty insignificant with this small of a sample size when you compare it to the trb they bring down.
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I just ran it guys coming off bench. Joel is 6th in the NBA in total offensive boards off the bench and he's doing it in 14min per game vs others who get 18-25min per game.
 
ponderguy said:
Blows my mind that someone that likes Pryz enough to name his username after him doesn't like Asik. He is one of the best rebounding/defensive centers in the league.
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He's not close to a top 5 center, he's not worth this contract, and he's not worth what Houston wants for him.

There's no reason to be talking about him so much.

I wouldn't have paid the Vanilla Gorilla that much, or given up a loterry pick or high end power forward.
 
Draco said:
There isn't any team in the league where he would be worth $15 million next year.
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If he's the piece that puts you over the top to win a championship, then yes, he's absolutely worth that $15m. Is he that to us? I don't know. I haven't seen him play enough. From what it sounds like his defense may be exactly what we need, even though I like what Lopez is giving us. On the flip-side, messing with the chemistry we've got makes it a sticky proposition. Additionally, there are good arguments on both sides of the "attitude" issue. Not really sure what to make of it. I do agree that HOU won't get anywhere close to what they want for him. At this point it seems to me they're going to be lucky to get more than cap relief out it. And I do think, if it comes to it, they'll trade him for cap relief just to get him off the team and improve their own chemistry.

With that in mind, here are a few things to think about:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qcjcgfw

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l43ju7g

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjtefv2 (J.Jones is a placeholder for Mason/Oden or Birdman)
 
blue9 said:
If he's the piece that puts you over the top to win a championship, then yes, he's absolutely worth that $15m. Is he that to us? I don't know. I haven't seen him play enough. From what it sounds like his defense may be exactly what we need, even though I like what Lopez is giving us. On the flip-side, messing with the chemistry we've got makes it a sticky proposition. Additionally, there are good arguments on both sides of the "attitude" issue. Not really sure what to make of it. I do agree that HOU won't get anywhere close to what they want for him. At this point it seems to me they're going to be lucky to get more than cap relief out it. And I do think, if it comes to it, they'll trade him for cap relief just to get him off the team and improve their own chemistry.

With that in mind, here are a few things to think about:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qcjcgfw

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l43ju7g

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjtefv2 (J.Jones is a placeholder for Mason/Oden or Birdman)
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For a while now, all trade machine links just spin the loading trade wheel, and never show a trade for me. What are the 3 deals?
 
RR7 said:
For a while now, all trade machine links just spin the loading trade wheel, and never show a trade for me. What are the 3 deals?
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You'd think that ESPN would fix one of their more popular toys that people like to play around with.
 
RR7 said:
For a while now, all trade machine links just spin the loading trade wheel, and never show a trade for me. What are the 3 deals?
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Bummer.
First is Lopez for Asik (straight, no chaser).
Second is Perkins for Asik (straight, no chaser).
Third is Rashard/Anthony and either Birdman or Oden/Mason Jr. for Asik (using James Jones contract to show that it should work).
 
blue9 said:
Bummer.
First is Lopez for Asik (straight, no chaser).
Second is Perkins for Asik (straight, no chaser).
Third is Rashard/Anthony and either Birdman or Oden/Mason Jr. for Asik (using James Jones contract to show that it should work).
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Perkins is horrible. No way Houston does that one.
The Heat trades are also very underwhelming. I think they can do better. Not a LOT better, not lotto pick or All-Star better, but better none the less.
 
What would happen if Miami trades Bosh for Asik and parson? This actually seems like a win win for both sides.
 
At best I think he'll land a Thad Young-level player.

Lotto pick(s) and a young building block? GTFOH with that!
 
magnifier661 said:
What would happen if Miami trades Bosh for Asik and parson? This actually seems like a win win for both sides.
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I'm not a huge fan of Bosh, but that's underselling him. Houston would have to give up much more.

Maybe Asik, Lin, Jones for Bosh. That MIGHT be enough.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Perkins is horrible. No way Houston does that one.
The Heat trades are also very underwhelming. I think they can do better. Not a LOT better, not lotto pick or All-Star better, but better none the less.
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While I agree with you, I think HOU will be lucky to get much more than cap relief for Asik. Yes, Perkins IS horrible...but would be an acceptable back-up for 10mpg. But if you're the Rockets, who are currently dealing with a supposed championship roster with chemistry issues, centering around a guy who's going to cost them $15M next year, who's a duplicate of your centerpiece, you're going to move that guy no matter what. Both OKC and MIA can sweeten the deal with picks/etc. I chose those two teams to illustrate how easily two current contenders could snap up a guy who would GREATLY help them in their quest to win a championship. I think it adds weight to the argument of US trading for him. If OKC or MIA can get the guy that makes it MUCH harder for us to be contenders. If we get him it MAY mess up chemistry, but it should improve our defense and it could deprive our main competition of a player they badly need.
As I said in my OP, I'm not sure that we should make the trade. But it certainly merits consideration.
 
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