Stephen A. Smith says Dame should "demand to be traded"

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SAS should have said..... "It's about time that somebody realized that Portland is on the brink of greatness, and do whatever they have to to get out of their contract and sign with Lillard, CJ, and the rest of the Blazers !!! "
 
This will be good for our team Dame is about to get angry and put monsters numbers.
 
And as far as Westbrook’s “padded” stats....... there are close to 450 players that aren’t and can’t put up numbers like we saw.

That's true. Still doesn't mean he didn't pad his stats quite a bit. He can both be a tremendous talent and a stat-chaser. It's not either/or.
 
That's true. Still doesn't mean he didn't pad his stats quite a bit. He can both be a tremendous talent and a stat-chaser. It's not either/or.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud. The whole damn league wishes they could put up numbers like him. Wish EVERY ONE of our players would "pad their stats".
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud. The whole damn league wishes they could put up numbers like him. Wish EVERY ONE of our players would "pad their stats".

Im sure his teammates would love if he didnt keep costing them games for his bonehead mental mistakes in the most crucial times.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud.

Yeah, he's a very good player. I do care about value added, though, not just raw numbers. I saw a statistical analysis last season that suggested that despite his incredible rebounding numbers for a point guard, he actually wasn't improving their rebounding numbers when he was on the court, he was largely just taking rebounds that teammates would normally get. That doesn't make him a bad person or a worse player, it just goes to show that some types of stat accumulation doesn't add a ton of value to the team's chances of winning games.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud. The whole damn league wishes they could put up numbers like him. Wish EVERY ONE of our players would "pad their stats".

Well, if our bigs would just get out of the way, I’m sure Dame could get more rebounds.
 
But the coaches decided, so that's irrelevant.
Decided what exactly? ... I don’t understand. If you think hype doesn’t affect decision making I’d say that’s naive but since this was about a totally theoretical scenario I really am confused what you are even talking about
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud. The whole damn league wishes they could put up numbers like him. Wish EVERY ONE of our players would "pad their stats".

I'd rather they win. Westbrook kills his team when it maters most. They constantly blow 4th quarter leads and lose close games because he freezes out his teammates, forces up bad shots and commits a ton of unforced turnovers.

BNM
 
Well, if our bigs would just get out of the way, I’m sure Dame could get more rebounds.


Notice he also leaves his man unguarded so he can hunt rebounds. He was dead last among all guards in contested 3-pointers last season in spite of playing heavy minutes, and it wasn't even close.

BNM
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud. The whole damn league wishes they could put up numbers like him. Wish EVERY ONE of our players would "pad their stats".
Triple doubles aren’t special anymore.
 
Why is that? Tell that to the Trail Blazers organization.
They have been so saturated with how the league is now and style of play. Westbrook whether you believe it or not is a stat padder. Shit I have seen dame get up there on boards a lot of nights, it’s just not that special anymore.
 
They have been so saturated with how the league is now and style of play. Westbrook whether you believe it or not is a stat padder. Shit I have seen dame get up there on boards a lot of nights, it’s just not that special anymore.
When people's hatred for a player clouds their common sense its ridiculous. If it's so easy, why is 0ther 99% of the league NOT getting them? Last season Westbrook had only 6 fewer triple doubles than Kobe and Michael Jordan had in their ENTIRE careers. Just think about that. How you can brush that off as "stat padding" is foolish! If it was so easy, they'd be happening all the damn time, plain and simple.
 
They have been so saturated with how the league is now and style of play. Westbrook whether you believe it or not is a stat padder. Shit I have seen dame get up there on boards a lot of nights, it’s just not that special anymore.
Oh so Dame is choosing to NOT get triple doubles?
 
Winning cures all. When the Blazers are legit contenders, everyone will know Dame's name.

Fwiw -- San Antonio is the 31st ranked market in the country -- Portland at 22 but closing in on 21.
That.

AllStar game is not important really and we all know this. It was fun to watch it when I was 15. Even Dunk Contest is hard to watch, let alone actual game. If it's on Dame's check list - fair play, I can understand his frustration.

But we've got much bigger problem, cos I belive winning it all is Dames biggest dream, not All Star game and imagin how deep his frustration is about organization being in deep shhh. If Allen and Olshey won't help him soon enough we can expect talks about Dames departure if not this ofseason, then next. And it will be some serious talking, not Anita's yelling.

Build something around this man already and AllStarGame will be as normal for him as it is for Curry.
 
I don’t understand how that loud mouthed idiot has managed to stay on television and radio as long as he has.... every time I cave and listen to his takes, I feel less intelligent and a little dirty afterwards.
You answered your own query. He's managed to stay on television and radio as long as he has because he's a loud mouthed idiot.
 
Put SAS and the Clown on ignore a long time ago.
 
When people's hatred for a player clouds their common sense its ridiculous. If it's so easy, why is 0ther 99% of the league NOT getting them? Last season Westbrook had only 6 fewer triple doubles than Kobe and Michael Jordan had in their ENTIRE careers. Just think about that. How you can brush that off as "stat padding" is foolish! If it was so easy, they'd be happening all the damn time, plain and simple.
I don't hate westbrook. I think he is a great player but is overrated due to the triple double season. I mean that team is barely getting by with westbrook, melo, and PG. Durant had to leave OKC because of Westbrook. Westbrook doesn't make smart decisions.
 
Oh so Dame is choosing to NOT get triple doubles?
I am sure he could, he has been close a number of times. I am sure if Dame had a chat with the team, he could get more boards. He already averages about 5. 6 assists. All he would need is better players for those other assists.
 
Draymond said last year he was chasing triple doubles and it cost the Warriors some wins.
He's also said if he cared about triple doubles, he'd have a lot more.
Why is it so hard to believe that some players because how gifted they are, actually can hurt the team they play for by chasing numbers?
For someone who claims to have such a good read on the NBA, and be so knowledgeable. HCP seems to be blinded by stats. That's okay tho, he's a media guy. Typical stuff.

for those few posters on here who are too lazy, or don't know how to use google cause old af.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...... I don't give a shit what you are doing out there. If you end the game with a triple double, you are a stud. The whole damn league wishes they could put up numbers like him. Wish EVERY ONE of our players would "pad their stats".

I thought you were smarter than this, but you seem to have bought into the Westbrook triple-double fanboi hype.

Who do you think will go down in history as the better player. Russell Westbrook or Michael Jordan? That's a serious question, and your answer will tell me whether I should continue to take you seriously as a poster. Jordan never averaged a triple-double. Neither has Bird or Magic or LeBron. Is Westbrook better than all of those guys?

Ok, it's already been explained how Westbrook pads his rebounding stats (leaving his man unguarded to hunt rebounds and stealing rebounds from his own teammates), but how can a player who averages 10 assists per game be considered selfish?

First, in order for Westbrook to average a triple-double, he had to absolutely shatter the all time USG% record last season. If you don't know what USG% means, in simple terms it's a measure of how many of his team's possessions a players uses up. Last year, Westbrook "used up" 41.65% of his team's total possessions. The previous record was 38.74% by Kobe Bryant. There have only been five USG% > 37 seasons in the history of the league. Westbrook owns two of them, Kobe, Jordan and Iverson one each. Westbrook dominates the ball more than any other player in NBA history.

As such, he gets to decide when his teammates get shots and when he gets shots. If you look at the way Westbrook doles out assists, you'll see he racks them up at the beginning of the game, to insure he gets his triple-double and then as the game progresses, he starts freezing out his teammates - this is especially true in close games and most of all, in the payoffs. I started noticing this all the way back in the 2011 playoffs, that in the 4th quarter of any close game, Westbrook would freeze out his more efficient scoring teammates (at that time, Kevin Durant and James Harden) and start calling his own number WAY too often.

To illustrate this, here are Westbrook's quarter-by-quarter assists and filed goal attempt numbers for his historic triple-double season:

1st Quarter: FGA = 5.3, Assists = 3.2
2nd Quarter: FGA = 5.8, Assists = 2.9
3rd Quarter: FGA = 6.4, Assists = 2.6
4th Quarter: FGA = 7.9, Assists = 1.9

Notice anything? Every single quarter, Westbrook's field goal attempts go up and his assists go down. He becomes especially ball hoggy in the 4th quarter, when he busts into hero mode and costs his team countless close games.

If Westbrook was actually a good shooter, and didn't turn the ball over so much, this might not be a bad thing. After all, you want the ball in your best players hands with the game on the line. The problem is Westbrook forces up a ton of bad shots and commits countless unforced turnovers. The more he tries to do, the more it hurts his team. Durant's last season in OKC, they lost 15 games that they had led in the 4th quarter. Think about that... A team with a 4-time scoring champ, one past and one future MVP blowing FIFTEEN 4th quarter leads. How is that even possible? Easy, Westbrook hero ball.

Last year's playoffs were a prime example of how Westbrook's stat padding, hero ball style of play hurts his team. Same exercise as before, but this time, add in team scoring by quarter:

1st Quarter: FGA = 7.2, Assists = 3.2, Team Scoring = 29.2
2nd Quarter: FGA = 5.8, Assists = 4.2, Team Scoring = 28.6
3rd Quarter: FGA = 7.6, Assists = 2.2, Team Scoring = 24.2
4th Quarter: FGA = 9.8, Assists = 1.2, Team Scoring = 22.2

When Westbrook tries to be the hero, stops passing to his teammates and starts forcing up bad shots, it kills his team's chances of winning.

Again, I first noticed it back in the 2011 playoffs, but it has never changed. And that's the real reason Russell Westbrook should never be mentioned in the same breath as Michael Jordan when it comes to discussing all-time greats, even though Westbrook averaged a triple double and Jordan (and Bird, Magic, LeBron) never did. Those guys all valued winning over individual stats. They got their stats in the normal flow of the game, while making their teammates better and increasing their teams' chances of winning.

Westbrook is a great athlete, no denying that. Perhaps, pound-for-pound, the most amazing athlete to ever play the game. But, he's also a stupid, selfish player who values his own personal stats, records and awards over winning and team success.

BNM
 
To illustrate this, here are Westbrook's quarter-by-quarter assists and filed goal attempt numbers for his historic triple-double season:

1st Quarter: FGA = 5.3, Assists = 3.2
2nd Quarter: FGA = 5.8, Assists = 2.9
3rd Quarter: FGA = 6.4, Assists = 2.6
4th Quarter: FGA = 7.9, Assists = 1.9

Last year's playoffs were a prime example of how Westbrook's stat padding, hero ball style of play hurts his team. Same exercise as before, but this time, add in team scoring by quarter:

1st Quarter: FGA = 7.2, Assists = 3.2, Team Scoring = 29.2
2nd Quarter: FGA = 5.8, Assists = 4.2, Team Scoring = 28.6
3rd Quarter: FGA = 7.6, Assists = 2.2, Team Scoring = 24.2
4th Quarter: FGA = 9.8, Assists = 1.2, Team Scoring = 22.2

Damn. Much respect for that insight.
 
Stephen A Smith is the Al Sharpton of the NBA...but he's New York all the way...being.loud doesn't make him right though
 

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