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Uncle Ty said:
Ty Lawson also declared. I'd much rather draft him.
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You're one of those dirty "name-ists" I'll bet :wink: But I agree, I'd take Lawson over Curry, and I'm not wild about Lawson (not a huge fan of the tiny tot PGs, and I've yet to see a UNC point run a half-court set worth a damn in the NBA).
 
I like Curry, especially in the tournament. He's more of a pure shooter than Roy, and more adapt to running off screens to catch and shoot like a Rip Hamilton. He is similar that he seems to have a lot of confidence and, despite not being the quickest, is deliberate with the ball and can do what he wants. I don't think he's at the same level as Roy finishing around the rim.

But watching Curry play, he plays with a similar poise to Roy, which I haven't really seen mirrored in many other players. I like him for that reason, as a player, if nothing else. I'm not sure he's the best fit on this team unless you want Roy to handle the ball even more, and feel like our backcourt is already getting pretty loaded with middle-level talent.

He won't be there unless we move up anyways. He'll be a solid pro, for his shooting if nothing else, but I don't see him as being an all-star unless he gets physically bigger...which I don't see him doing too much of.

Would I take him? Surely! Will he be available at 24? Nope. But overall I like the kid and think he can continue to perform well, especially as a shooter on a team with other scorers...thus the floor will be spread a lot. I also agree with the comment someone made about his "great passing" being in part because the defenses focused so much on him and not the other 4 players on the floor.
 
BalancedMan said:
I like Curry, especially in the tournament. He's more of a pure shooter than Roy, and more adapt to running off screens to catch and shoot like a Rip Hamilton. He is similar that he seems to have a lot of confidence and, despite not being the quickest, is deliberate with the ball and can do what he wants. I don't think he's at the same level as Roy finishing around the rim.

But watching Curry play, he plays with a similar poise to Roy, which I haven't really seen mirrored in many other players. I like him for that reason, as a player, if nothing else. I'm not sure he's the best fit on this team unless you want Roy to handle the ball even more, and feel like our backcourt is already getting pretty loaded with middle-level talent.

He won't be there unless we move up anyways. He'll be a solid pro, for his shooting if nothing else, but I don't see him as being an all-star unless he gets physically bigger...which I don't see him doing too much of.

Would I take him? Surely! Will he be available at 24? Nope. But overall I like the kid and think he can continue to perform well, especially as a shooter on a team with other scorers...thus the floor will be spread a lot. I also agree with the comment someone made about his "great passing" being in part because the defenses focused so much on him and not the other 4 players on the floor.
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Brandon is a legit 6'6" weighs about 215 and has a 40" vertical leap. Steph Curry compared to Brandon in terms of style of play might be appropriate, but in terms of raw athleticism and physical gifts it's not even close. Put it this way, if Brandon were 30 or 40 pounds lighter, less athletic and 3 inches shorter he'd probably be looking for work in the ACB or the Italian leagues, or barely hanging on with an NBA team as a bit minute role-player.
 
If Curry were there at #24, I'd consider him reasonable value. But he most likely won't, and I don't think he's worth trading up for.
 
you answered your own question like 5 paragraphs into your little manifesto. the answer is more rudy/roy in the backcourt.
 
Da_O said:
I've seen a LOT of him. He's small in that he's skinny as a toothpick. He's at best an average defender and with his size stronger PG's will abuse him. He put up good stats against bad teams but whenever he played anyone worth talking about he choked. I don't think moving up for a role player is a good idea. There are a lot of other PG's I would rather have in this draft than him.
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Interesting that you watched him a lot but then you said he choked....44 @ Oklahoma, 44 @ NC State, 27 vs West Virginia @ MSG...oh yeah how about last year's tourney when he put up 40 on the Zags, 30 on G'Town, 33 on Wisconsin, then 25 on Kansas & Brandon Rush....I would like to see him when he's on if that is choking :) This year he only had 1 other teammate that could score and had no help handling the ball. If you ask me, his shooting percentages are down from what they should be b/c of the fatigue he would have during some games playing so much and doing EVERYTHING. It's not like he wasn't passing either, b/c he averaged 5.6 apg in his first year as a PG w/ his team having no real talent on it. Curry is exactly what Portland needs with Brandon Roy, and they would compliment each other really well. If the Blazers were to move up to get anyone, it would have to be Stephen Curry.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You're one of those dirty "name-ists" I'll bet :wink: But I agree, I'd take Lawson over Curry, and I'm not wild about Lawson (not a huge fan of the tiny tot PGs, and I've yet to see a UNC point run a half-court set worth a damn in the NBA).
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I'm not a fan of small PG's myself, usually, but there are the obvious exceptions of course where they have been successful--like Paul, Stockton, and IT. Believe me, I'm not "comparing" Lawson to those guys at all, just using them as an example that there have been successful players in the NBA that are/were about his size (of course, I know you're aware of this, but I just figured I'd throw it out there).

The two things he has, in my opinion, that could make him a pretty good player in the NBA, are his speed and his perimeter shooting ability. His speed and quickness is obviously natural talent but the kid has REALLY worked on his outside shot. He was a pretty solid shooter his freshman and sophomore seasons, but somebody must've locked that kid in a gym last summer, 'cause his jumper is absolutely lights-out these days.

Good point about never having seen a UNC PG "run a falf-court set worth a damn in the NBA." I've been avidly following the NBA and college hoops since I was about 5 or 6 years old (29 now), and after reading your statement above, I started thinking of any notable PG to come out of UNC since I started following basketball damn-near 25 years ago. The only guys I could think of are Kenny Smith, Raymond Felton, and (*perhaps*) Lawson--at least as far as PG's are concerned. Lord knows they've had at least a few other decent players to come through there over the years that played other positions. :devilwink:

When all is said and done, I think I'd rather go with Eric Maynor... the dude is just SCREAMIN' "steal of the draft" to me, after watching him pretty closely the past two seasons, especially when you factor in that most mocks have him in the mid-to-late teens or early 20's.
 
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GoBlazersGo said:
Fixed. :pimp:
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you know it's funny I almost posted that I thought Curry would be a Juan Dixon type in the NBA, but I do think he's a better passer than JD which gives him at least the chance that he can play the point in the pros.

Who knows, maybe Curry will be great and prove all of his doubters wrong, but he's a helluva risk as a lottery pick ... unless Donnie Walsh and D'Antoni get a hold of him; he'd probably thrive in an open, full-court offense like that and where he won't have to play defense.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
I'm not a fan of small PG's myself, usually, but there are the obvious exceptions of course where they have been successful--like Paul, Stockton, and IT. Believe me, I'm not "comparing" Lawson to those guys at all, just using them as an example that there have been successful players in the NBA that are/were about his size (of course, I know you're aware of this, but I just figured I'd throw it out there).

The two things he has, in my opinion, that could make him a pretty good player in the NBA, are his speed and his perimeter shooting ability. His speed and quickness is obviously natural talent but the kid has REALLY worked on his outside shot. He was a pretty solid shooter his freshman and sophomore seasons, but somebody must've locked that kid in a gym last summer, 'cause his jumper is absolutely lights-out these days.

Good point about never having seen a UNC PG "run a falf-court set worth a damn in the NBA." I've been avidly following the NBA and college hoops since I was about 5 or 6 years old (29 now), and after reading your statement above, I started thinking of any notable PG to come out of UNC since I started following basketball damn-near 25 years ago. The only guys I could think of are Kenny Smith, Raymond Felton, and (*perhaps*) Lawson--at least as far as PG's are concerned. Lord knows they've had at least a few other decent players to come through there over the years that played other positions. :devilwink:

When all is said and done, I think I'd rather go with Eric Maynor... the dude is just SCREAMIN' "steal of the draft" to me, after watching him pretty closely the past two seasons, especially when you factor in that most mocks have him in the mid-to-late teens or early 20's.
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I could definitely get on board with Maynor, he's got a really unorthodox release on his jumper but he is a pass first guy with some creativity and his mid-range game isn't bad. He obviously wouldn't be ready to lead the team out of the gate and his upside is a little limited by his age, but I think he's going to be good -- maybe not all-star good, but certainly B+, solid starter material in a couple of years.
 
I'd prefer Maynor. I also have a man-crush on Johnny Flynn, and I'm at least a bit interested in Lawson and Teague.
 
J_Ray said:
Interesting that you watched him a lot but then you said he choked....44 @ Oklahoma, 44 @ NC State, 27 vs West Virginia @ MSG...oh yeah how about last year's tourney when he put up 40 on the Zags, 30 on G'Town, 33 on Wisconsin, then 25 on Kansas & Brandon Rush....I would like to see him when he's on if that is choking :) This year he only had 1 other teammate that could score and had no help handling the ball. If you ask me, his shooting percentages are down from what they should be b/c of the fatigue he would have during some games playing so much and doing EVERYTHING. It's not like he wasn't passing either, b/c he averaged 5.6 apg in his first year as a PG w/ his team having no real talent on it. Curry is exactly what Portland needs with Brandon Roy, and they would compliment each other really well. If the Blazers were to move up to get anyone, it would have to be Stephen Curry.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=283552509

Curry 13 points 5-26 shooting

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290532166

Curry 20 points 6-23 shooting

I can cherrypick games too. The guy is a low percentage chucker. He's going to be a poor mans Ben Gordon. His draft stock has been plummeting for a reason. I'd rather move up and take Lawson or Teague over Curry.

What's funny is the games you picked he shot a really low percentage

@Oklahoma 12-29 41%
NC state 15-33 45% Hey made it to average
WVU 9-27 33%

Face it, this guy is the next JJ Redick.

He choked in that he wasn't able to get his team into the tournament.
 
I say trade out of the draft for 2nd round picks in later drafts or just draft a European and ship him over seas. I think Joel Freeland can cure our backup PF slot next year and we could make a move to try and get Miller or Hinrich, and least likely but possible Sessions.
 
My point guard wish list in this draft would go like this:

1. Flynn
2. Rubio
3. Teague
4. Maynor
5. Lawson
 
I'd rather have Bayless than any realistic PG in this draft, honestly. But...

1. Rubio
2. Jennings
3. Mayner
4. Teague
5. Flynn
6. Lawson

is probably my 6.
 
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Minstrel said:
If Curry were there at #24, I'd consider him reasonable value. But he most likely won't, and I don't think he's worth trading up for.
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He might be worth trading up to - the question is what you give to get him. Giving JB to get him does not strike me as a good idea. Giving money and a lower pick - if he is the best guy left that KP wants - why not?
 
andalusian said:
He might be worth trading up to - the question is what you give to get him. Giving JB to get him does not strike me as a good idea. Giving money and a lower pick - if he is the best guy left that KP wants - why not?
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Yeah, but there's also the opportunity cost...who you could draft at that spot instead. At #24, it's less likely that there will be better players available. If you trade up (inexpensively, as you hypothesize), depending on how high you trade up, there will be players who seem better...like Flynn, Maynor, Jennings, Blair, etc.

That was why I said he didn't seem worth trading up for. If the cost in trade wasn't too high, then the opportunity cost of draft Curry over other players on the board probably would be. However, you're right...if KP can trade up to a spot where Curry is his BPA and it's inexpensive, then it's worth it. Based on my own opinion of Curry, I find that unlikely, but if KP likes Curry more than I do, I'd trust his judgment over mine.
 
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Da_O said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=283552509

Curry 13 points 5-26 shooting

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290532166

Curry 20 points 6-23 shooting

I can cherrypick games too. The guy is a low percentage chucker. He's going to be a poor mans Ben Gordon. His draft stock has been plummeting for a reason. I'd rather move up and take Lawson or Teague over Curry.

What's funny is the games you picked he shot a really low percentage

@Oklahoma 12-29 41%
NC state 15-33 45% Hey made it to average
WVU 9-27 33%

Face it, this guy is the next JJ Redick.

He choked in that he wasn't able to get his team into the tournament.
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Cherry pick games? You said he choked against good teams, so I took nearly all of his games against high level competition from the last 2 seasons. Low percentage chucker? He has shot 45+ percent from the guard position & 40% from 3 throughout his career. He is THE premier shooter in the country, all this while taking 10 3pt shots a game. His career eFG% is a phenomenal 58%, that's through the roof for a guard that shoots as much as he has. You obviously lied out of your ass when you said you've seen him quite a bit b/c he is nowhere near JJ Redick. Redick couldn't create his own shot or had the handles and quickness that Curry possess. Curry's only real bad game was against Purdue, but that is a great defensive squad and not many people have good games against them anyways. In the West Virginia game, he also took it over and won the game for his team by scoring & putting up 10 assists. You put Curry on a high level team, his scoring would of taken a dip of course but his assists would be 8+ easily. But I guess you can blame him for leading his team to 2 29-win seasons, and a 27-win season where he only had 1 other decent player on his team, what a choke job for getting doubled constantly and his team building a brickhouse.
 
Curry almost single handedly beat the 2008 National Champions. Just throwing that out there. A team with 4 NBA Players. 5 Drafted ones.
 
J_Ray said:
Cherry pick games? You said he choked against good teams, so I took nearly all of his games against high level competition from the last 2 seasons. Low percentage chucker? He has shot 45+ percent from the guard position & 40% from 3 throughout his career. He is THE premier shooter in the country, all this while taking 10 3pt shots a game. His career eFG% is a phenomenal 58%, that's through the roof for a guard that shoots as much as he has. You obviously lied out of your ass when you said you've seen him quite a bit b/c he is nowhere near JJ Redick. Redick couldn't create his own shot or had the handles and quickness that Curry possess. Curry's only real bad game was against Purdue, but that is a great defensive squad and not many people have good games against them anyways. In the West Virginia game, he also took it over and won the game for his team by scoring & putting up 10 assists. You put Curry on a high level team, his scoring would of taken a dip of course but his assists would be 8+ easily. But I guess you can blame him for leading his team to 2 29-win seasons, and a 27-win season where he only had 1 other decent player on his team, what a choke job for getting doubled constantly and his team building a brickhouse.
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I've seen a lot of him, I'm not lying. I watched all Davidson games during their tourney run and all the games Davidson was on national tv.

I wasn't comparing his game to JJ Redick just that he is going to be that much of a bust in the NBA.

And all that stuff still doesn't change the fact that he's a low percentage chucker.
 
BasX said:
Curry almost single handedly beat the 2008 National Champions. Just throwing that out there. A team with 4 NBA Players. 5 Drafted ones.
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When he's hot he hot but when he's not he's not. Much like Ben Gordon.
 
Da_O said:
I've seen a lot of him, I'm not lying. I watched all Davidson games during their tourney run and all the games Davidson was on national tv.

I wasn't comparing his game to JJ Redick just that he is going to be that much of a bust in the NBA.

And all that stuff still doesn't change the fact that he's a low percentage chucker.
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low percentage? did you just see his career percentages in college?
 
ehizzy3 said:
low percentage? did you just see his career percentages in college?
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I did, did you see the games I posted?

If you take into the account the competition he went against his career averages aren't impressive. 45 percent is pretty average, it's not like that's incredible or anything.
 
Da_O said:
I've seen a lot of him, I'm not lying. I watched all Davidson games during their tourney run and all the games Davidson was on national tv.

I wasn't comparing his game to JJ Redick just that he is going to be that much of a bust in the NBA.

And all that stuff still doesn't change the fact that he's a low percentage chucker.
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So apparently you didn't see this "lower" competition Curry was facing when teams would double and triple team him, and he was still scoring. SoCon isn't that bad of competition and have some pretty decent athletes but he's just that much better than everyone in the conference. Throughout his career, Curry has shot 5+% better than Ben Gordon and JJ Redick. There aren't many guys that shoot 50% in college, like Brandon Roy or Salim Stoudamire did their senior years. Enough with the chucker comparison too, his team had 1 other player that could score, so he was forced to put points on the board for his team. Without Curry, they were a bottom feeder in that conference, but when he was playing they were the best team by light years.

Da_O said:
I did, did you see the games I posted?

If you take into the account the competition he went against his career averages aren't impressive. 45 percent is pretty average, it's not like that's incredible or anything.
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Enough with the 3 game samples, you aren't Kingspeed, even he would tell you:

"Learn The Game"
 
J_Ray said:
So apparently you didn't see this "lower" competition Curry was facing when teams would double and triple team him, and he was still scoring. SoCon isn't that bad of competition and have some pretty decent athletes but he's just that much better than everyone in the conference. Throughout his career, Curry has shot 5+% better than Ben Gordon and JJ Redick. There aren't many guys that shoot 50% in college, like Brandon Roy or Salim Stoudamire did their senior years. Enough with the chucker comparison too, his team had 1 other player that could score, so he was forced to put points on the board for his team. Without Curry, they were a bottom feeder in that conference, but when he was playing they were the best team by light years.



Enough with the 3 game samples, you aren't Kingspeed, even he would tell you:

"Learn The Game"
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It's funny that you brought up Salim Stoudamire. Made me wonder what happened to him. He recently signed with the Bucks. Dude hasn't played all year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's funny that you brought up Salim Stoudamire. Made me wonder what happened to him. He recently signed with the Bucks. Dude hasn't played all year.
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Yeah, guy was always a great scorer but hasn't been able to find a role anywhere. His is quick but his shooting pocket is lower than you would like for a 6 foot guy to shoot from, it's probably a reason he hasn't done that great in the NBA.
 
J_Ray said:
Yeah, guy was always a great scorer but hasn't been able to find a role anywhere. His is quick but his shooting pocket is lower than you would like for a 6 foot guy to shoot from, it's probably a reason he hasn't done that great in the NBA.
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My cousin played ball with him at Lincoln High School before Salim transferred to Lake Oswego. He said everyone on the team hated Stoudamire. Said he was a real egomaniac.
 
Natebishop3 said:
My cousin played ball with him at Lincoln High School before Salim transferred to Lake Oswego. He said everyone on the team hated Stoudamire. Said he was a real egomaniac.
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Yeah, he had attitude problems @ Arizona until his senior year, when he took on a leadership role and somewhat changed after Lute Olson suspended him. His ego was so big, Lute Olson even suggested he transfer earlier in his career if he didn't want to change. It was pretty fun watching him develop over the years and his senior year was a treat to watch. Guy shot 50% from the field & 50% on 3pt, and had a great shot in the tourney where he beat Oklahoma State.
 
J_Ray said:
Yeah, he had attitude problems @ Arizona until his senior year, when he took on a leadership role and somewhat changed after Lute Olson suspended him. His ego was so big, Lute Olson even suggested he transfer earlier in his career if he didn't want to change. It was pretty fun watching him develop over the years and his senior year was a treat to watch. Guy shot 50% from the field & 50% on 3pt, and had a great shot in the tourney where he beat Oklahoma State.
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Another Portland product who had an attitude problem...

http://arizona.scout.com/2/491474.html
 
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