Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis

[BALLAHOLLIC]

So much for being the next Walt Frazier/Earl Monroe eh? How do Knick fans feel about these two, Do you want either one of them on this team?

 

[.mastro]

keep Starbury get rid of Francis hes a waste of money

 

[BigMo763]

Not to mention so much for being the next Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars, right?Anyway, I really don't know who the Knicks would be better off with, and who they would be better off trading. They need to shop both of them around the league and just ship whichever player they get the better offer for...Either way I don't see Isiah Thomas in New York after this season, and I'm sure the new GM will clean house.

 

[.mastro]

Isiah Thomas= dumbass he pays all this money for washed up talent and gets nothing out of it I hate him so much.

 

[iFR3SHi]

Isiah wants to be like the Suns bring back fromer backcourt duos but it isnt working right now. If we were to take both of them off the team we would have a decent lineup.

G:NateSG:CrawfordSF:Q-RichPF:FryeC:Curry

 

[.mastro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinoy Balla @ Nov 24 2006, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isiah wants to be like the Suns bring back fromer backcourt duos but it isnt working right now. If we were to take both of them off the team we would have a decent lineup.

G:NateSG:CrawfordSF:Q-RichPF:FryeC:Curry</div>Personally I rly like two guys Nate Robinson (my favorite player) and Richardson who has a good start so I would agree with that lineup. With an honorable mention towards David Lee to give him a lot of playing time.

 

[kingjamez]

Eddy Curry is useless too, I'd rather see David Lee in there instead..

 

[.mastro]

Yeah Eddy Curry issn't playing well...Hes averaging only 6 boards a game, which is absolutely pathetic for a center, and of course he doesn't make up for it by having only 12 points per game so far. Hes not a good blocker, stealer, or passer, and quite frankly I am getting absolutely pissed that he is continuing to play this bad. I do think that he is pretty young and maybe some more time to blossom would be neccesary, but still he needs to pick it up some for the Knicks to win.David Lee is playing very well in my eyes so far this year. He reminds me of that guy that will just get a whole team jacked up. Sort of like Ryan Hollwey and the Rangers. But he backs that up with some decent numbers. He is pretty much averaging 10 points 9 rebounds which is more then Curry and he is also 2 short of Curry, but we need him in there to get boards and he has been more succesful so far.I like David Lee more period end of conversation...

 

[CelticBalla32]

I never understood why Isiah went out to get Francis. Well, I never understood much of anything Isiah has done except draft fairly well. But these two obviously can't play together, and I never thought they could. They are the same player with the same mindset (get mines).

Personally, I say get rid of both "Franchise" and "Starbury."

 

[.mastro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 24 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never understood why Isiah went out to get Francis. Well, I never understood much of anything Isiah has done except draft fairly well. But these two obviously can't play together, and I never thought they could. They are the same player with the same mindset (get mines).Personally, I say get rid of both "Franchise" and "Starbury."</div>that would be aiming towards the youthy pair of Robinson and Crawford so I would like that lineup more then the current.

 

[nykfan4life]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 24 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never understood why Isiah went out to get Francis. Well, I never understood much of anything Isiah has done except draft fairly well. But these two obviously can't play together, and I never thought they could. They are the same player with the same mindset (get mines).Personally, I say get rid of both "Franchise" and "Starbury."</div>isiah never wanted him. larry brown, mr. sabotage, wanted francis and jalen rose and then a week later decides he can't coach them. that's why he's giving up on that backcourt so early. he sucks marbury off and isn't very fond of francis. personally I think our best bet is to get rid of both guys or just bench them. it's clear that we play better with our youth. they bring us back into every game because they play hard. I knew that backcourt would never work. isiah, I used to have respect for, mostly for his drafts but how stupid are you? you trade 2 first rounders for a slob in curry and actually say that you think curry is going to be better than anyone the bulls would've picked. it looks like greg oden will be the 2nd pick the knicks should've had that goes to the bulls because of sheer stupidity and arrogance. isiah is an idiot and I hope he gets fired ASAP so we can try and get jerry west who I heard is leaving memphis? not sure how true that is but he'd make a much better gm than zeke.three guys that need to go......marbury, francis and curry.

 

[.mastro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Nov 24 2006, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>isiah never wanted him. larry brown, mr. sabotage, wanted francis and jalen rose and then a week later decides he can't coach them. that's why he's giving up on that backcourt so early. he sucks marbury off and isn't very fond of francis. personally I think our best bet is to get rid of both guys or just bench them. it's clear that we play better with our youth. they bring us back into every game because they play hard. I knew that backcourt would never work. isiah, I used to have respect for, mostly for his drafts but how stupid are you? you trade 2 first rounders for a slob in curry and actually say that you think curry is going to be better than anyone the bulls would've picked. it looks like greg oden will be the 2nd pick the knicks should've had that goes to the bulls because of sheer stupidity and arrogance. isiah is an idiot and I hope he gets fired ASAP so we can try and get jerry west who I heard is leaving memphis? not sure how true that is but he'd make a much better gm than zeke.three guys that need to go......marbury, francis and curry.</div>definately this guy has turned a great franchise into the laughing stock of the NBA. He spends to much money on overpriced washed up talent and inexchange he passes up the players that could be the pulse of our team by trading our draft picks.I never liked the guy, now I just hate him more.

 

[Franchise835]

keep em both but have one or the other come off the benchIf one does show hustle immediately bench them till they learn....Francis to me shows more hustle and at least tries to get the team involved, Marbury to me looks pissed everytime he comes down the court that he even has to pass the ball....I dont know if either are the answer but each individually sure has a hell of a lot of talent to offer if allowed to play "their game"...meaning iso's pick and rolls and driving to the hoop, but it sacrifices team play

 

[nykfan4life]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franchise835 @ Nov 24 2006, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont know if either are the answer but each individually sure has a hell of a lot of talent to offer if allowed to play "their game"...meaning iso's pick and rolls and driving to the hoop, but it sacrifices team play</div>Yeah that's gotten them somewhere in the league. marbury has done nothing in this league but produce highlight reels. however, he has brought the knicks to the next level, the next level down that is. obviously you being a francis fan you're gonna want to keep him but if you were a real knicks fan you would come to your senses and realize this. the knicks aren't going anywhere with this backcourt. I can't believe this idiot isiah. he benches francis in the game to start crawford and now he's going back to starting francis. make up your mind, as a matter of fact, fire yourself.

 

[Nitro1118]

Keep marbury, definately. Yes, he hasn't done much in his career, but when he is the main option and relied on to do most of the work he produces around 20/8. Remember what he did with the Suns and what he did with NY in his 1st year? Francis doesn't have that ability. Without him and Francis they will lose a ton of firepower, and without the sparks off the bench that nate and lee offer they'd be even worse off.Get rid of Francis and Curry, get another big man, start rebuilding.

 

[CB4allstar]

I would get rid of Francis. Starbury is the leader of the team. He's been there longer, and he knows the guys better. Francis is a ball hog, and not as good a pg as Marbury either. You definately need to get rid of one of those guys, but if they had the choice, I think they should choose to get rid of Francis, and then maybe dump Marbury off somewhere in the off-season if neccisary.

 

[yankshater213]

Stevie Franchise is looking awfully good tonight so far.

 

[.mastro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Nov 24 2006, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stevie Franchise is looking awfully good tonight so far.</div>okay that still doesn't mean we should keep him, everyone has a good game, for example Curry is having a good game as well.

 

[yankshater213]

Did I ever say they should keep him though? This thread is about Marbury and Francis, and I posted something relevant to Francis.

 

[.mastro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Nov 24 2006, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did I ever say they should keep him though? This thread is about Marbury and Francis, and I posted something relevant to Francis.</div>I know I never meant to make that sound mean or anything

 

[Chris]

Just making sure, but you guys didn't think it was a good idea to get Francis in the first place did you? I knew right away that it was a terrible idea to get rid of Penny's expiring contract.

 

[iFR3SHi]

Keeping Penny would have been better it takes some money away from our cap. Both need to go out for a true point gaurd that can lead his teammates. Francis and Marbury duo just isn't working. Its either that or they just are struggling or they just suck. Francis can play the way he played in Houston it would have been great for us, but we have to many players that have big egos that are disollowing it to happen