Stern wants Instant Replay

[Sinobas]

David Stern says he's going to make a push for an instant replay system in the NBA, similar to what the NFL has. I personally think this would be great for the NBA. Had it been in effect this year, we'd probably still be in the playoffs. If it's like the NFL in this respect, they wouldn't be able to challenge non-calls, so we'd still have to deal with, traveling and no calls on Roy, but at least we wouldn't have to deal as much with seeing Wade going to the line for tripping over himself, or Oden getting called for a foul for pushing his face into someone's elbow.

Interesting how he says:

""What we're struggling with ... we want to have a set of rules, we want to call it the way they're written, we want to have a game called the same no matter who's reffing it, and we want to assure that we get it right.".

He should have also added that the game needs to be called the same no matter who is PLAYING.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...0515/stern_nba_is_moving_towards_more_replay/

 

[THE HCP]

I think it's a GREAT idea!

 

[retroblazers]

what i don't like is Stern saying he wants to see late game replays used. i think if it's used ,it needs to be used throughout the whole game properly, because possessions in the 1st quarter are just as important as possessions in the 4th quarter.

 

[boatsandstars]

I want the least amount of stopping possible in a game.

So give us instant replay and then reduce the number of time outs to 1 per team per half and keep the clock running after made baskets.

 

[Tince]

I want the least amount of stopping possible in a game.

So give us instant replay and then reduce the number of time outs to 1 per team per half and keep the clock running after made baskets.

Put up a fiber-glass wall around the court, don't call any fouls, and the game would be over in an hour.

 

[boatsandstars]

Put up a fiber-glass wall around the court, don't call any fouls, and the game would be over in an hour.

and i'd be less irritated from the last 2:00 of the game take half an hour..

 

[bluefrog]

It would be useful for shot clock violations, out of bounds, goal tending and other clear cut vialotions

It would be difficult to implement with fouls because so much is based on the refs judement. A touch foul on the perimeter with Dwayne Wade maybe called where as a the same play would not with Blake.

What would an appropriate punishement for a lost challenge? loss of a time out? Free throws?

 

[maxiep]

I think the role of the referee should be changed. I think there should be a refs seated by the court or under the basket on each side whose role is to call plays like three seconds, illegal defense, whether or not a shot counted as a three, etc. It would leave the three refs on the floor freer to call the rest of the game. Also, I love the use of instant replay. I think you use it like the NFL. Let the coach decide when he wants his call. If it's a bad call, it gets reversed. If it's a good call, you lose a time out. Finally, flopping needs to either become a personal or technical foul. It's gotten completely out of hand, to the point if the defender doesn't fall down, it's never a charge.

 

[mook]

Why don't they just take one of the three existing refs out of the game and sit him on the sideline and have him watch on a TV screen with a Tivo box. He could make real-time calls just like the other refs, or rewind a few times and then make the final call based on what he saw. Have him microphoned to the other two refs so he could quickly make the final verdict whenever there's a dispute. He'd never get up from his seat throughout the game.

I doubt it'd make the game slow down at all in most instances. In fact, it'd add to the entertainment value for viewers, because they could broadcast exactly what the ref is looking at if he rewinds it, perhaps on a split screen.

Or if you want to leave the three refs on the court, hire a fourth ref for TV monitor duty. Maybe somebody too old to to trot up and down the court anymore. Hiring 15 such guys and outfitting them with quality equipment would probably cost less than Darius Miles made last year.

 

[hasoos]

It better not be similar to what the NFL has, because coaches can decide when to challenge a play. I would just wait for the other team to be running a critical fast break, and before they get to the hoop, throw the flag.

Nope, instant replay in the NBA has to be controlled by the referee's. The only part that would work is having another guy upstairs watching the game on TV who could radio down for a challenge.

 

[alex42083]

Interesting how he says:

""What we're struggling with ... we want to have a set of rules, we want to call it the way they're written, we want to have a game called the same no matter who's reffing it, and we want to assure that we get it right.".

The NBA game will always be called in a way to favor superstars. Stern is fooling himself to think that.

So just like NFL coaches get to throw out their own flags, do NBA coaches now get to blow their own whistles for a replay? That'd be kind of funny.

 

[gatorpops]

I think it's a GREAT idea!

So do I! You had better be on top of your game though.

Maybe PA will spring for another two or three cameras so you will have to work harder. Ha!

 

[THE HCP]

They came to us probably about 20 times this season. I think it can be a smooth process.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I like the general idea, but think it should be used sparingly.

 

[maxiep]

What the fix is doesn't matter. What's important is that it's fixed. NBA refs are derided as the worst in professional sports. They make things personal, they give preferences to superstars, they call games unevenly and they're influenced by home crowds. If their job is too hard, get more refs. If games are called more closely, the players will adjust. The slow down will be temporary.

All I ask is for a fair game. I'm confident in my team's ability to compete in such an environment. However, if I were a Rockets or Magic fan, I'd be worried about seeing some 8 on 5 action in the upcoming Game 7s.

 

[retroblazers]

how about instead of instant replay, they put another ref on the court? i mean alot of the dubious calls or missed calls seem to be from officials being out of position or blocked out by players in front of them, so maybe another set of eyes on the court could help that along without the need for flag throwing coaches? not saying that i want more refs or anything, but when the mic up the players, the refs usually tell them that they just didn't see the foul that the player was complaining about because he was blocked out or behind the plya.

 

[Nate4Prez]

You can't really have instant replay reviews in the NBA like the NFL. The NFL doesn't allow challenges of penalty's, however, the NBA game can be dictated by foul calls. The most important review in NBA games would be whether something was a foul or not. I think maxiep and mook have a better idea in just having more officials watching the game.

Score it like boxing or tae kwan do where you have three refs sitting on the sidelines and all three have to hit a button at the same time to count as a foul. That way three people have to be in agree a play is a foul.

 

[Shapecity]

Not sure how I feel about this until I see how it's actually used during a game. I agreed with Jeff Van Gundy's statements last night regarding the officials. He said the officials are carrying out the orders of their boss Stu Jackson. He dictates how games are to be called and ultimately he's responsible for the inconsistency.

One thing I'd like to see the NBA take from the NFL is the Flex scheduling for Nationally televised games.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I'm against instant replays. Why even have officials on the court, they can watch it from TVs with Tivo rewind buttons eventually.

are we going to have a master judge ref away in a TV room? eventually...yes.

 

[mook]

I'm against instant replays. Why even have officials on the court, they can watch it from TVs with Tivo rewind buttons eventually.

are we going to have a master judge ref away in a TV room? eventually...yes.

And what's wrong with that? Seriously.

I don't watch NBA games to see the refs. I watch them to see the world's greatest basketball athletes go against each other in impartially and accurately officiated competition.

If they can make it more accurate and impartial by firing all the refs and letting Google manage it with a supercomputer, that'd be fine by me.

 

[oldmangrouch]

and i'd be less irritated from the last 2:00 of the game take half an hour..

That drives me crazy as well. What they need to do, is remove the incentive to turn the game into a FT contest. I'd like to see them try a system where on any defensive foul in the last 2 minutes, the offensive team gets the FTs AND keeps possesion with a new 24 second clock.

Imagine...teams expected to win by playing tough, clean defense and getting the rebounds. What a concept!

 

[Masbee]

I think it's a GREAT idea!

says a replay guru.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

And what's wrong with that? Seriously.

I don't watch NBA games to see the refs. I watch them to see the world's greatest basketball athletes go against each other in impartially and accurately officiated competition.

If they can make it more accurate and impartial by firing all the refs and letting Google manage it with a supercomputer, that'd be fine by me.

what you reduce it to is no longer a sports game with human error. you turn it into a micro-examined outcome. ref blunders are part of the game. instant replay will eventually go further and further and its going to kill the momentum of games.

What's next, are they going to have tracking devices on the players to track illegal defense if they leave their "zone"? Its going to get more and more rediculous. They will not be able to call the games 100% accurately, and they will selectively use instant replays for only certain fouls and not for others.

they're going to have to review every blocking foul and charge?

 

[maxiep]

what you reduce it to is no longer a sports game with human error. you turn it into a micro-examined outcome. ref blunders are part of the game. instant replay will eventually go further and further and its going to kill the momentum of games.

What's next, are they going to have tracking devices on the players to track illegal defense if they leave their "zone"? Its going to get more and more rediculous. They will not be able to call the games 100% accurately, and they will selectively use instant replays for only certain fouls and not for others.

they're going to have to review every blocking foul and charge?

I'd like to have the human error be from the teams themselves and not the refs. I'd love to have floor, ball and rim sensors. I think it would improve the game greatly.

 

[Minstrel]

what you reduce it to is no longer a sports game with human error. you turn it into a micro-examined outcome. ref blunders are part of the game.

That's like saying disease is part of life. Yes, by necessity. I'm in favour of medical science making disease less of an issue and allowing for healthier lives. I don't see the point of embracing bad things just because they've always been around.

What's next, are they going to have tracking devices on the players to track illegal defense if they leave their "zone"?

I don't think they need players to wear tracking devices. Sensors in the floor, lasers can achieve things like that. The ideal situation would be no referees at all and penalties (fouls and violations) called as they happen by sensors. That would be faster, fairer and wouldn't hurt the flow of the game at all. Keeping human referees and having them replay things will, though I do like the challenge system to keep it manageable.

 

[Tince]

If Blazer games were 3 hours, it wouldn't break my heart.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Basketball is a game of momentum. Using instant replay gives oppossing coaches more oppotunities to slow or stop the other team's momentum. Maybe give each coach two challanges per half. Or maybe two per game.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

That's like saying disease is part of life. Yes, by necessity. I'm in favour of medical science making disease less of an issue and allowing for healthier lives. I don't see the point of embracing bad things just because they've always been around.



I don't think they need players to wear tracking devices. Sensors in the floor, lasers can achieve things like that. The ideal situation would be no referees at all and penalties (fouls and violations) called as they happen by sensors. That would be faster, fairer and wouldn't hurt the flow of the game at all. Keeping human referees and having them replay things will, though I do like the challenge system to keep it manageable.

do you realize how shitty the game would be if they strictly went by the book with no interpretation of things? Play would stop more and more frequnetly as even minor fouls will be called..moreso than they are now.

 

[Minstrel]

do you realize how shitty the game would be if they strictly went by the book with no interpretation of things? Play would stop more and more frequnetly as even minor fouls will be called..moreso than they are now.

They can adjust the sensors to the game they want to show, and the players would adjust themselves. Players and coaches base how the team plays based on what they can get away with. How shitty is the game when referees call fouls based on some silly preferential set of rules like "how veteran the player is," "how big a star the player is," "how many fouls the player has," etc? Would calling it fairly but more strictly be more or less shitty? That isn't clear to me.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

They can adjust the sensors to the game they want to show, and the players would adjust themselves. Players and coaches base how the team plays based on what they can get away with. How shitty is the game when referees call fouls based on some silly preferential set of rules like "how veteran the player is," "how big a star the player is," "how many fouls the player has," etc? Would calling it fairly but more strictly be more or less shitty? That isn't clear to me.

Calling it by the book, for every foul, will kill the game. The NBA officiating is terrible right now, but the rememdy is further training and accountability on the officials, not to bring instant replay or its inevitable counterparts into the mix.