Steve Blake!

[KevinJBonn]

I don't want to talk too much shit about Steve Blake because after meeting him in person I decided to give the Blazers another try.

But God Damnit he sucks so badly. I was at his 17 assist game cheering my ass off but after that he should have just retired. I love the guy, he was my neighbor for a while, but after the way he's played with the fake show makes me glad we're rolling with Patty Cakes.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't want to talk too much shit about Steve Blake because after meeting him in person I decided to give the Blazers another try.

But God Damnit he sucks so badly. I was at his 17 assist game cheering my ass off but after that he should have just retired. I love the guy, he was my neighbor for a while, but after the way he's played with the fake show makes me glad we're rolling with Patty Cakes.

Admit it, you only liked the guy because his wife is hot.

 

[KevinJBonn]

Admit it, you only liked the guy because his wife is hot.

I found that out later, and I tweet back and forth with her frequently. But no It was really because while I wasn't paying attention at Saks 5th ave he managed to spend an hour in a dressing room with her before they were married. True story. I can't make this shit up because my friend who worked there pointed it out to me. Charles Smith was there too, although he was busy chowing down on the free food they had out with me.

 

[Natebishop3]

I found that out later, and I tweet back and forth with her frequently. But no It was really because while I wasn't paying attention at Saks 5th ave he managed to spend an hour in a dressing room with her before they were married. True story. I can't make this shit up because my friend who worked there pointed it out to me. Charles Smith was there too, although he was busy chowing down on the free food they had out with me.

Dressing room sex is teh best!

 

[Ghost Pepper]

All I can say is Blake is done as a Laker, his playoff contribution has been awful.... No way LA keeps him around to turn the ball over and miss wide open 3's! Last night against the Mavs, he nailed his own coffin shut!

 

[magnifier661]

All I can say is Blake is done as a Laker, his playoff contribution has been awful.... No way LA keeps him around to turn the ball over and miss wide open 3's! Last night against the Mavs, he nailed his own coffin shut!

Sounds like many Blazer fans when Blake was a Blazer. Honestly, I completely agree. Something about Blake just choking it up in the playoffs that completely makes his value go way down. He just can't consistently show up for the big game.

 

[PapaG]

Sounds like many Blazer fans when Blake was a Blazer. Honestly, I completely agree. Something about Blake just choking it up in the playoffs that completely makes his value go way down. He just can't consistently show up for the big game.

BLANKY had a PER of 15, a Drtg of 114, and an Ortg of 124 in his playoff appearance for the Blazers as the starting PG.

Andre Miller had a PER of 15, a Drtg of 120, and an Ortg of 102 in his first playoff appearance for the Blazers against PHX.

Funny, but I don't recall many criticizing Miller for not showing up for the big games against PHX. Throw out Game 1 of that series, and Miller was brutally bad. But, that doesn't count.

 

[PapaG]

I forgot to add that BLANKY had 0.6 WS against Houston.

Miller had 0.0 against Houston, and 0.4 against Dallas.

Plus, Miller against Dallas had a Drtg of 117, and an Ortg of 114.

Definitely a huge upgrade at PG!!!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Do you really think almost everyone here just has some agenda to hate Blake? He is not even close to being as good as Miller and that is apparent to almost everyone who watches them play.

 

[PapaG]

Miller had a negative DWS against Dallas. That's some Big Game ballin' right there!

 

[PapaG]

Do you really think almost everyone here just has some agenda to hate Blake? He is not even close to being as good as Miller and that is apparent to almost everyone who watches them play.

The advanced stats show that BLANKY's impact was more important to the team in his one series as Blazer PG than two series of Andre Miller.

I don't really care about opinions, but I tend to rely on stats to support mine. In this case, stats don't lie! Miller clearly is a downgrade at PG, at least in the playoffs, over BLANKY's one shot as a starter.

Terrible decision by KP, and the franchise will suffer for years because of it.

 

[Ed O]

The advanced stats show that BLANKY's impact was more important to the team in his one series as Blazer PG than two series of Andre Miller.

Statistics--advanced or not--over such a short period are all but meaningless. Some advanced stats, in particular, rely on information that will only even itself out over time, so they might even be LESS reliable than the old school ones.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

Miller had 0.0 against Houston

So did Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and LeBron James. Not playing in the series, because you're not on the team, tends to limit how many win shares you can accumulate.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The "argument" that Blake is better than Miller because Blake is still playing and Miller isn't is one of the dumbest I have ever heard. By that "logic", Erick Dampier is better than Dwight Howard.

And, for any clueless morons who can't read, I did not just compare Andre Miller to Dwight Howard. What I compared is these two similar statements:

Steve Blake is still playing, and Andre Miller isn't, therefore Steve Blake must be better than Andre Miller.

and

Erick Dampier is still playing, and Dwight Howard isn't, therefore Erick Dampier must be better than Dwight Howard.

Both statements follow the same general construct:

Below average back-up is still playing, and above average starter isn't, therefore below average back-up must be better than above average starter.

And yes, Blake is a well, well, well below average back-up and Miller is an above average starter - both regular season and play-offs.

Regular season:
Blake: PER = 7.5, AST% = 15.0, TOV% = 18.6, ORtg = 101, DRtg = 108, WS = 1.8, WS/48 = 0.055
Miller: PER = 17.8, AST% = 35.7, TOV% = 16.8, ORtg = 111, DRtg = 108, WS = 7.0, WS/48 = 0.127

Playoffs:
Blake: PER = 5.9, AST% = 21.9, TOV% = 23.8, ORtg = 92, DRtg = 109, WS = 0.0, WS/48 = 0.018
Miller: PER = 19.0, AST% = 32.7, TOV% = 14.4, ORtg = 114, DRtg = 117, WS = 0.4, WS/48 = 0.107

So, the advanced stats show that Miller is a far, far surperior player than Blake, both regular season and playoffs. It should also be noted that Miller is a starter who logs big minutes, most against the opposing team's starters, while Blake is a back-up who should be able to pad his stats against other, weaker back-ups.

Miller is so vastly surperior to Blake at this point (and was as a Blazer last year, too), it baffles me how anyone can still, with a straight face, attempt to argue that Blake is better and we should have kept him over Miller. Anyone still attempting to make that agrument is either incredibly stupid, a blatant troll, or both (my vote is for both).

And, wasn't Miller, due to his advanced age, supposed to decline much faster than the younger Blake? Wrong, Miller performed at his career averages for the second straight year in Portland (the consistentcy of his advanced stats is absolutely amazing comparing his two seasons as a Blazer to his career averages), while Blake's production continues to plummet for the second straight season (and was far less than Miller's to start with).

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Steve Blake wearing the piss and purple is the closest the Blazers have come, to date, to avenging 2000 WCF game 7 collapse. Blake may very well cost the Lakers this series against the Mavs (he's certainly not helping them). Well played KP, well played. It would have been a lot more fun to see the Blazers beating the Lakers, but seeing Blake "help" them lose to the Mavs is still good fun.

BNM

 

[maxiep]

Nate maximized Blakey's talents. PJ has yet to figure out how to best use him.

I'll say this: I would have loved to have Blake as our backup point guard this year instead of Patty/Armon/Rudy and Roy.

 

[e_blazer]

Nate maximized Blakey's talents. PJ has yet to figure out how to best use him.

I'll say this: I would have loved to have Blake as our backup point guard this year instead of Patty/Armon/Rudy and Roy.

Ditto.

 

[PapaG]

Statistics--advanced or not--over such a short period are all but meaningless. Some advanced stats, in particular, rely on information that will only even itself out over time, so they might even be LESS reliable than the old school ones.

Ed O.

The playoffs are a small sample. My original reply was to the poster who said that BLANKY didn't show up for the playoffs as a Blazer. If BLANKY didn't show up, then how has Miller, who has double the Blazer playoffs games, yet worse team stats, shown up?

 

[maxiep]

Not that I'd ever want to trade with the Piss & Purple, but would anyone here be willing to trade for Blake? He has three more years at $4MM per year. Looking at what the L*kers have to offer, we'd need a third team involved.

 

[oldguy]

So did Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and LeBron James. Not playing in the series, because you're not on the team, tends to limit how many win shares you can accumulate.

LMAO! Talk about making shit up to try to justify an absolutely clueless postion. Too funny.

Go Blazers

 

[magnifier661]

The playoffs are a small sample. My original reply was to the poster who said that BLANKY didn't show up for the playoffs as a Blazer. If BLANKY didn't show up, then how has Miller, who has double the Blazer playoffs games, yet worse team stats, shown up?

LMAO! Then we have Papa; using a thread about Blake to put down Miller. This is freaken hilarious man! You truly do hate Miller!

 

[PapaG]

So did Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and LeBron James. Not playing in the series, because you're not on the team, tends to limit how many win shares you can accumulate.

Sorry, I meant PHX.

 

[PapaG]

In 2x the playoff games for the Blazers, Miller has fewer cumulative WS than BLANKY.

What an upgrade!

 

[PapaG]

LMAO! Then we have Papa; using a thread about Blake to put down Miller. This is freaken hilarious man! You truly do hate Miller!

You mentioned BLANKY didn't show up for the Blazers in the playoffs. If he didn't show up, then has Miller, who has been worse statistically in advanced team stats? If the answer is yes, Miller has shown up, please let me know how that is the case.

kthx

 

[Minstrel]

The playoffs are a small sample. My original reply was to the poster who said that BLANKY didn't show up for the playoffs as a Blazer. If BLANKY didn't show up, then how has Miller, who has double the Blazer playoffs games, yet worse team stats, shown up?

I'm not sure you understand what a small sample means, in this case. It means that the statistics you are quoting aren't reliable, because the sample is too small for the noise to filter out. So, essentially what you are saying is: "Playoffs are noisy. Amongst that unreliable noise, these stats don't show Miller to be any better." That's obviously silly. If the stats are unreliable, due to how small the sample is, then conclusions can't be drawn from them.

Team-based stats (like +/- and win shares) are indirect measures of individual play. They generally take a much larger sample size to yield meaningful results. Individual-based stats (like PER) are direct measures of individual play. They generally yield more meaningful results over smaller sample size, because they are directly, rather than indirectly, measuring what we want to know. A single series is still small sample size for PER, but it's going to be much more reliable, descriptively (but not predictively, since volatility will be very high), than team stats in measuring one player.

 

[magnifier661]

You mentioned BLANKY didn't show up for the Blazers in the playoffs. If he didn't show up, then has Miller, who has been worse statistically in advanced team stats? If the answer is yes, Miller has shown up, please let me know how that is the case.

kthx

This is what I find funny. A couple days ago, being confronted about a player; you made a comment that the last time you checked it wasn't a one man show; then you use the same thing you just put down as an argument here. Don't you think that's pretty ironic? I think it's hilarious.

So when I say "Blake didn't show up for the playoffs",it has nothing to do with the "Team Record" in the playoffs. Understand? LOL

 

[PapaG]

I'm not sure you understand what a small sample means, in this case. It means that the statistics you are quoting aren't reliable, because the sample is too small for the noise to filter out. So, essentially what you are saying is: "Playoffs are noisy. Amongst that unreliable noise, these stats don't show Miller to be any better." That's obviously silly. If the stats are unreliable, due to how small the sample is, then conclusions can't be drawn from them.

Team-based stats (like +/- and win shares) are indirect measures of individual play. They generally take a much larger sample size to yield meaningful results. Individual-based stats (like PER) are direct measures of individual play. They generally yield more meaningful results over smaller sample size, because they are directly, rather than indirectly, measuring what we want to know. A single series is still small sample size for PER, but it's going to be much more reliable, descriptively (but not predictively, since volatility will be very high), than team stats in measuring one player.

Again, a playoff series is a small sample, and team stats do matter. The disparity between the Ortg and Drtg for BLANKY and Miller does matter, as does the fact that BLANKY put up his 15 PER against Houston with literally 1/2 the Usage rate of Miller versus PHX (12.6 BLANKY, 25.2 Miller).

So ... where was the upgrade? Throw in that Miller had a WS of 0.0 against PHX, and a WS of 0.4 against Dallas (with negative DWS in both series), and that does matter when assessing players.

You gave me a lot of excuses for stats to explain why they don't support your opinion; I gave you hard stats the don't need excuses to support my opinion.

 

[PapaG]

This is what I find funny. A couple days ago, being confronted about a player; you made a comment that the last time you checked it wasn't a one man show; then you use the same thing you just put down as an argument here. Don't you think that's pretty ironic? I think it's hilarious.

So when I say "Blake didn't show up for the playoffs",it has nothing to do with the "Team Record" in the playoffs. Understand? LOL

What does it mean, then? BLANKY had a better individual series against Houston than Miller had against PHX, yet he concerned you because he "didn't show up" for the playoffs?

Embracing the playoff play of Andre Miller seems a bit hypocritical to me. If you're going to bash the guy with better team stats, when assessing a team game, shouldn't you also bash the guy with the lesser team-related stats?

 

[magnifier661]

What does it mean, then? BLANKY had a better individual series against Houston than Miller had against PHX, yet he concerned you because he "didn't show up" for the playoffs?

Embracing the playoff play of Andre Miller seems a bit hypocritical to me. If you're going to bash the guy with better team stats, when assessing a team game, shouldn't you also bash the guy with the lesser team-related stats?

Is SlyPokerDog an idiot?!?!?!

Andre Miller Stats:

14.8 points, 5.5 assists, .493 FG, .400 three point shooting, 3.2 rebounds in 32 minutes.

Steve Blake

9.8 points, .489 FG, 6 assists, .417 3 point, 4 rebounds in 38.5 minutes! LMAO!!!!!

Your logic is seriously flawed. Sorry man, but how can anyone take you seriously, when you openly express that you will die before you ever support Miller. The proof is in all your threads.

 

[Minstrel]

Again, a playoff series is a small sample

Which means the team stats are completely unreliable, and therefore meaningless, in assessing an individual player. It's a shame you're struggling to wrap your mind around that, but the people who design these stats are pretty clear that it can take a season's worth, or multiple season's worth, of data for team-based measures to be at all accurate about an individual. Applying stats that take season(s) worth of data to be useful to a single series is obviously silly. It means that all you're seeing is noise, not signal.

PER, a stat that is not team-based (to any significant degree), generates signal much quicker and shows Miller has been far, far better than Blake. It's still a small sample, so maybe not completely accurate, but the difference between the two is so massive that it's unlikely that they've actually been equal or that Blake has been better.