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Its about time our citizens can realize some rescue money from taxes we've have paid over the years. Think about how much we have helped other countries in need and some not so in need. We've also helped rebuild a few cities over the last hundred years too.
 
1200 ain't jack shit.

Fuck these corporate bailouts. We've been getting fucked by airlines with baggage fees and bullshit. Fucked by hotels with resort fees.

Kick them in the fucking teeth and let them die.
 
Package includes funding for abstinence only "education" which has been shown to be ineffective in reducing unplanned pregnancies or sexually transmitted infections. And has no connection to COVID-19.
 
All these bills are causing my place of employment a lot of issues. We manufacture and do engineering work for, Military, Aerospace and (Some health stuff which has kicked up the last few weeks). Our lowest wage workers start at 17 dollars an hour. Were running into a dillema now where people are saying they wont come into work, because they can make more off of unemployment and the government (its short sighted on their part), but I was in some conversations this afternoon like what do we do because people arent showing up. We may literally shut down over it. Like a complete shutdown and not reopen. We employ only a couple hundred people but we have a real issue on our hands.
Ive got a lot of mixed feelings about all this... I hate all this industry (corporate bail outs). I am glad that American people who need something short term can at least have something thrown at them.

Also Im sure Northrop Grumman, Boeing Defense, L3, etc, etc, markup their work a TON in their contracts with the government but they penny pinch the work they contract out like crazy, by far the least lucrative work we do is for big military projects and they moan about the slightest price increases.
 
Package includes funding for abstinence only "education" which has been shown to be ineffective in reducing unplanned pregnancies or sexually transmitted infections. And has no connection to COVID-19.

Teenagers must stay 6' away from each other at all times. Social distancing = sexual distancing.

barfo
 
All these bills are causing my place of employment a lot of issues. We manufacture and do engineering work for, Military, Aerospace and (Some health stuff which has kicked up the last few weeks). Our lowest wage workers start at 17 dollars an hour. Were running into a dillema now where people are saying they wont come into work, because they can make more off of unemployment

You can't collect unemployment if you just don't show up to work, can you?

At least back when I was a kid we had to walk to the unemployment office in the snow, and it was uphill both ways, and we only got a nickel.

barfo
 
You can't collect unemployment if you just don't show up to work, can you?

At least back when I was a kid we had to walk to the unemployment office in the snow, and it was uphill both ways, and we only got a nickel.

barfo
So normally there is a vetting process, but it seems like the surge in claims means they won't be vetting all of them the same.
 
Package includes funding for abstinence only "education" which has been shown to be ineffective in reducing unplanned pregnancies or sexually transmitted infections. And has no connection to COVID-19.
You're like someone bitching about a scratch on the back of their car when the front got smashed by a semi?

There's going to be trillions more in debt because of this and THAT is your issue?

Give me a break.
 
How do you tell someone they had to go to work when the world is shutting down?
Well for us we got calls from the DoD, Ball Aerospace, Aerojet, Blue-origin, and Northrop Grumman saying we were required to fulfill their orders with us. So that's how they did it. It's just that many of our employees are deciding to not work now. Which I understand to some extent. Just saying the reason were being given isn't that they think it's more lucrative to be unemployed right now.
 
Well for us we got calls from the DoD, Ball Aerospace, Aerojet, Blue-origin, and Northrop Grumman saying we were required to fulfill their orders with us. So that's how they did it. It's just that many of our employees are deciding to not work now. Which I understand to some extent. Just saying the reason were being given isn't that they think it's more lucrative to be unemployed right now.
My wife's co-worker actually asked their boss that was being generous enough to pay them if they could pay her under the table so she could get unemployment too.

She gets to stay home and wanted extra pay...not just enough to stay above water...extra.

When you say that they think it is more lucrative they are actually right.

Stay home and lower your risk of getting sick and still get money sounds better than working and risking death.

Even if the pay was identical the stay home sounds better to me.
 
My wife's co-worker actually asked their boss that was being generous enough to pay them if they could pay her under the table so she could get unemployment too.

She gets to stay home and wanted extra pay...not just enough to stay above water...extra.

When you say that they think it is more lucrative they are actually right.

Stay home and lower your risk of getting sick and still get money sounds better than working and risking death.

Even if the pay was identical the stay home sounds better to me.
Yeah it might be, probably gonna shut us down though. Also would be surprised if anyone got sick because of our work environment. dealing with micro-electronics and clean rooms, and they're sanitizing the entire facility 6x times a day, on top of the ridiculously high standards they have anyways. Still can't blame people for being scared, and for wanting to stay home if it pays just as well.
 
Yeah it might be, probably gonna shut us down though. Also would be surprised if anyone got sick because of our work environment. dealing with micro-electronics and clean rooms, and they're sanitizing the entire facility 6x times a day, on top of the ridiculously high standards they have anyways. Still can't blame people for being scared, and for wanting to stay home if it pays just as well.
I worked in a clean room years ago. Loved it when allergies hit me.
 
You can't collect unemployment if you just don't show up to work, can you?

At least back when I was a kid we had to walk to the unemployment office in the snow, and it was uphill both ways, and we only got a nickel.

barfo
No, you must be either layed off or fired to collect unemployment. Quitting makes you ineligible for unemployment.
 
You're like someone bitching about a scratch on the back of their car when the front got smashed by a semi?

There's going to be trillions more in debt because of this and THAT is your issue?

Give me a break.
I do not need to ask your permission to be irritated that my tax dollars go to sexist, homophobic, unscientific and often openly sectarian programs.
 
It doesn't matter how they spend it. It only matters that they spend it.
Not true. spending it with he corner dealer s not good. Paying down debt is not good, technically. In order for this to stimulate, people must actually purchase goods and services.
 
Hmmmmmmm...what?

Although fine tuned a bit, the package still gives WAY too much money to companies, and no, I don't mean small business.

What's to keep big business from laying off or not rehiring employees once the companies have been handed big checks?
The money allotted for big businesses is a huge problem. Especially when you consider it gets handed out personally by the treasury secretary Steve ‘Goldman sachs’ Mnuchin. This is while the aid for small businesses has to go through the small businesses association, a notoriously inept bureau. Smaller companies will go out of business while waiting a year for their aid and get bought up by large companies that already got theirs.
 
BTW, this is not a stimulus bill. It's a stay-in-business bill.
 
A lot of people will milk this for whatever they can get out of it, but unless they completely change unemployment rules, if you are offered a job, or offered work, you need to take it or you will lose your benefits. We will see how strict they are with that though.
 
A lot of people will milk this for whatever they can get out of it, but unless they completely change unemployment rules, if you are offered a job, or offered work, you need to take it or you will lose your benefits. We will see how strict they are with that though.
Yeah, discussed it a bit somewhere already, the feeling at my place of employment and discussion is that most people think that for a few months there is no chance unemployment offices can keep up with the normal vetting process. So we shall see.
 
Not true. spending it with he corner dealer s not good. Paying down debt is not good, technically. In order for this to stimulate, people must actually purchase goods and services.
Over two hundred Million people are not going to spend any significant amount on the "corner dealer". Well, me? Maybe, depends on the deal I can get because if there's one thing us men are good at it's shopping. This reminds me, I need a new pair of shoes to go with my new duds. A new purse wouldn't hurt.
 
532 billion for corporate entities. And he cries about 1 billion for ventilators.

ugh. Reganomics was a fucking joke and Republicans have destroyed this country. This isn't capitalism, it's corporate socialism.
They all destroyed it together. Trying to blame one side is extremely short sighted. Democrats also engaged in and supported the the ‘corporate socialism’, which is an accurate description.

I agree with everything else you said however. Manufacturers need to be commissioned to make ventilators immediately.
 
They all destroyed it together. Trying to blame one side is extremely short sighted. Democrats also engaged in and supported the the ‘corporate socialism’, which is an accurate description.

I agree with everything else you said however. Manufacturers need to be commissioned to make ventilators immediately.
I couldn't get anyone to agree that Trump getting rid of our post office subsidizing cheap chinese goods being shipped here for less than I can send something to AZ was a good idea.

Now these assholes want us to magically make millions of chinese made items appear instantly.

Imagine someone like me coming home tonight and my wife says we have no food. Should I scream at her that she should grow a garden and raise some chickens and I want it by tomorrow?
 
I do not need to ask your permission to be irritated that my tax dollars go to sexist, homophobic, unscientific and often openly sectarian programs.
You don't need my permission to do or think anything.

Won't stop me from laughing at your tunnel vision.
 

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