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So Germany (with climate similar to the NW) can make solar viable but we can't?

Germany used LOTS of government involvement to do it. They were able to shut down (last I heard) 8 of their nuclear plants. Sound like the private sector needs help...

The average price of electricity to the customer ($/KWh) in Germany is over 3 times higher than the average price we pay in the USA.

The break even point varies by project. But on average, by my “guess”, when the price of electricity doubles in the USA, most solar systems would pay for themselves without subsidies.

One of the main reasons we enjoy lower than average electricity prices, especially here in the PNW, is due to the very low cost of hydro-electricity, which we have a lot of compared to other parts of our country and the rest of the world.
 
Found this chart. Looks like electricity cost is Germany is just slightly less than 3 times the USA.

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So Germany (with climate similar to the NW) can make solar viable but we can't?

Germany used LOTS of government involvement to do it. They were able to shut down (last I heard) 8 of their nuclear plants. Sound like the private sector needs help...

Viable? Says who?

Germany generates 6% of its energy from solar, after massive investment. To make up for there being no energy at night from this source, they're building coal power plants.
LOL


https://www.quora.com/Should-other-nations-follow-Germanys-lead-on-promoting-solar-power-1

Solar power itself is a good thing, but Germany's pro-renewables policy has been a disaster. It has the absurd distinction of completing the trifecta of bad energy policy:
  1. Bad for consumers
  2. Bad for producers
  3. Bad for the environment (yes, really; I'll explain)
Pretty much the only people who benefit are affluent home-owners and solar panel installation companies. A rising tide of opposition and resentment is growing among the German press and public.

I was shocked to find out how useless, costly, and counter-productive their world-renowned energy policy has turned out. This is a serious problem for Germany, but an even greater problem for the rest of the world which hopes to follow in their footsteps. The first grand experiment in renewable energy is a catastrophe! The vast scale of the failure has only started to become clear over the past year or so. So I can forgive renewables advocates for not realizing it yet -- but it's time for the green movement to do a 180 on this.

Some awful statistics before I get into the details:
  • Germany is widely considered the global leader in solar power, with over a third of the world's nameplate (peak) solar power capacity. [1] Germany has over twice as much solar capacity per capita as sunny, subsidy-rich, high-energy-cost California. (That doesn't sound bad, but keep going.)
  • Germany's residential electricity cost is about $0.34/kWh, one of the highest rates in the world. About $0.07/kWh goes directly to subsidizing renewables, which is actually higher than the wholesale electricity price in Europe. (This means they could simply buy zero-carbon power from France and Denmark for less than they spend to subsidize their own.) More than 300,000 households per year are seeing their electricity shut off because they cannot afford the bills. Many people are blaming high residential prices on business exemptions, but eliminating them would save households less than 1 euro per month on average. Billing rates are predicted by the government to rise another 40% by 2020. [2]
  • Germany's utilities and taxpayers are losing vast sums of money due to excessive feed-in tariffs and grid management problems. The environment minister says the cost will be one trillion euros (~$1.35 trillion) over the next two decades if the program is not radically scaled back. This doesn't even include the hundreds of billions it has already cost to date. [3] Siemens, a major supplier of renewable energy equipment, estimated in 2011 that the direct lifetime cost ofEnergiewende through 2050 will be $4.5 trillion, which means it will cost about 2.5% of Germany's GDP for 50 years straight. [4] That doesn't include economic damage from high energy prices, which is difficult to quantify but appears to be significant.
  • Here's the truly dismaying part: the latest numbers show Germany's carbon output and global warming impact is actually increasing[5] despite flat economic output and declining population, because of ill-planned "renewables first" market mechanisms. This regime is paradoxically forcing the growth of dirty coal power. Photovoltaic solar has a fundamental flaw for large-scale generation in the absence of electricity storage -- it only works for about 5-10 hours a day. Electricity must be produced at the exact same time it's used. [29] The more daytime summer solar capacity Germany builds, the more coal power they need for nights and winters as cleaner power sources are forced offline. [6] This happens because excessive daytime solar power production makes base-load nuclear plants impossible to operate, and makes load-following natural gas plants uneconomical to run. Large-scale PV solar power is unmanageable without equally-large-scale grid storage, but even pumped-storage hydroelectricity facilities are being driven out of business by the severe grid fluctuations. They can't run steadily enough to operate at a profit. [2,7] Coal is the only non-subsidized power source that doesn't hemorrhage money now. [8] The result is that utilities must choose between coal, blackouts, or bankruptcy. Which means much more pollution.

So it sucks on pretty much every possible level.
 
Solar is the wave of the future. Tesla

Did you really mean to talk Solar and Tesla at the same time? Geez, I can't get enough solar panels on a 60 foot boat to run the simple electronics. How the hell are you going to get enough on a Tesla? Oh! You are going to power it from solar at home, Great! The city of Bandon put in a(one) solar powered charging station for the electric cars, for a mere $120,000 of tax payer money.
What a fucking waste, criminal even. Hardly ever a car there using the thing. It takes hours to charge a car when the sun shines. That was two day last month.
 
One of the advantages we have in the PNW to compensate for the rapid fluctuations of both solar and now wind produced energy is hydro-electric. The dams can reduce or increase the amount of water passing through the turbines. In minutes the dams can keep up with the supply and demand. On hot summer days, you can see the Columbia River rapidly rise and then fall as consumers turn on and off their AC.

HOWEVER, there is now a brand new MAJOR PROBLEM no one is publicly talking about. This problem is created when solar and wind energy enters the grid. The grid system now in place that moves electricity around the PNW was never built to handle the rapid fluctuations of electricity generated at different sources.

The short answer is, the more solar and wind energy that enters the grid system, the sooner the entire grid system will need to be replaced. That is going to cost a bunch of $$$$$$$$.
 
, the sooner the entire grid system will need to be replaced

I don't know if replaced is the right view of what is needed. It seems to me that the grid surely will need to be restructured and up graded to support taking power in from the outlying capillary system back to central routing rather than expecting power to flow in one direction. At any give time power will need to flow from any region to another. Yeah on second thought, that is replacement of everything but the wires.
 
I don't know if replaced is the right view of what is needed. It seems to me that the grid surely will need to be restructured and up graded to support taking power in from the outlying capillary system back to central routing rather than expecting power to flow in one direction. At any give time power will need to flow from any region to another. Yeah on second thought, that is replacement of everything but the wires.

I do not have any details on what would need to be replaced in a grid system; electricity is a very weak subject for me. Appreciate any help you can give on the subject.

One of my neighbors works for Bonneville. He is an electrical engineer and travels around the PNW working on the transfer stations (not sure that is the correct term). I listened to him along with several other electrical engineers discussing the problem.

Large energy farms like the wind generating farms along the Columbia River and into E WA & OR are causing havoc to the grid system. The larger the farm, the bigger the problems they create. They made it sound like adding large solar farms or more large wind farms would push the system over the edge. It was not a matter of if, just when the grid would need to be replaced. The more off-grid sources that are added, the sooner it will happen.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but why shouldn't people get paid for energy they send back to the grid? Is this just simple lobbying from energy companies pushing these laws through?
 
Pardon my ignorance, but why shouldn't people get paid for energy they send back to the grid? Is this just simple lobbying from energy companies pushing these laws through?

From my understanding, it's not that they're not getting paid at all, it's that the utility companies want to pay back wholesale prices, rather than retail prices per kwh.
 
The more off-grid sources that are added, the sooner it will happen

Very true. Not only is it a switching problem, it's also a voltage regulator issue. They can vary the power generated by dams and fuel burning power plants to hold a steady voltage.
But as they add power sources without central control over the power coming in, they can only control the overall power (voltage) by controlling the exiting sources which are not that
all that rapid in control. Sort of like the variable voltage regulator I have in my boat. As the Batteries built up the charge taken from the generator, the voltage rises so the regulator
cuts back the excitement current supplied to the alternator(s) to keep the voltage within the limits. Once it begins to consistently exceed the maximum voltage it begins to lope in surges.
I need to replace that regulator with a faster acting one so the power to the batteries can slow down in a smooth progress, holding and even voltage and slowly reduce the amperage.
The present regulator is just too slow to control the amount of power the large alternator can produce.

I imagine, todays grid would have the same issues, not enough control points and not sufficiently responsive.
 
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Well our power grid has needed upgrading for decades.....that's a given and it isn't caused by solar fields where ever I've seen it although it is a problem with wind generated power for sure. City hall in the small town in my community has been solar powered for over a decade without problems...we don't experience drop out in the power system unless there is wind damage. Occasionally and old transformer will blow out and they'll install a new one. The Whole Earth Festival has been completely Solar Powered several times without problems...3 days of massive equipment and lighting. Solar Johnny from the Sierras is one of the pioneers of that system. Resisting the change seems to me like sort of meaningless counter punching. People said the same thing about hybrid cars and the first thing most people say when I talk about my hybrid car is that the batteries are expensive and will die costing me some fortune....sorry, I know owners of original hybrids who've yet to have a battery problem and if they do....you upgrade it. My advice is don't be afraid of investing in solar technology unless you consume massive amounts of power for tools that require more power. If solar isn't working for you, you can choose to go another route with your energy needs but it's been valuable to my life in several circumstances in several different climates and circumstances. Comedian Ed Begley has gone completely solar for a long time in Los Angeles and you can read about his system on his website
 
Pardon my ignorance, but why shouldn't people get paid for energy they send back to the grid? Is this just simple lobbying from energy companies pushing these laws through?
If this concerns you, you can go off the grid. I am happy with my solar co-op investment. I know nothing of SoCal's laws or setup and they may not be working with their customers the way my power company works with me.
 
Well our power grid has needed upgrading for decades.....that's a given and it isn't caused by solar fields where ever I've seen it although it is a problem with wind generated power for sure. City hall in the small town in my community has been solar powered for over a decade without problems...we don't experience drop out in the power system unless there is wind damage. Occasionally and old transformer will blow out and they'll install a new one. The Whole Earth Festival has been completely Solar Powered several times without problems...3 days of massive equipment and lighting. Solar Johnny from the Sierras is one of the pioneers of that system. Resisting the change seems to me like sort of meaningless counter punching. People said the same thing about hybrid cars and the first thing most people say when I talk about my hybrid car is that the batteries are expensive and will die costing me some fortune....sorry, I know owners of original hybrids who've yet to have a battery problem and if they do....you upgrade it. My advice is don't be afraid of investing in solar technology unless you consume massive amounts of power for tools that require more power. If solar isn't working for you, you can choose to go another route with your energy needs but it's been valuable to my life in several circumstances in several different climates and circumstances. Comedian Ed Begley has gone completely solar for a long time in Los Angeles and you can read about his system on his website

I just recently noticed that we are now being charged 50 bucks a month for being connected to the grid. I have also been told, it is necessary for the power company to do this to maintain their profitability as we consumers continually reduce the power we consume, with some even putting power back into the grid. So now we pay for the grid even if we use no power!

Why the hell go Solar if you can not get rid of the grid? Example, I have a 24 inch planer, I sure as hell don't want to try and run that off a battery bank, nor do I want to fire up a diesel to gen that power when I want the planer to make chips.

This whole thing seems like government fucking with us here, subsidizing solar and at the same time allowing the power company to change the way the charge me because we reduce power usage by using less power subsidized by tax credits, or because solar and wind generators are pumping back into the grid with tax credit subsidized equipment? Now we need a new grid because it is uncontrollable????
 
I just recently noticed that we are now being charged 50 bucks a month for being connected to the grid. I have also been told, it is necessary for the power company to do this to maintain their profitability as we consumers continually reduce the power we consume, with some even putting power back into the grid. So now we pay for the grid even if we use no power!

Why the hell go Solar if you can not get rid of the grid? Example, I have a 24 inch planer, I sure as hell don't want to try and run that off a battery bank, nor do I want to fire up a diesel to gen that power when I want the planer to make chips.

This whole thing seems like government fucking with us here, subsidizing solar and at the same time allowing the power company to change the way the charge me because we reduce power usage by using less power subsidized by tax credits, or because solar and wind generators are pumping back into the grid with tax credit subsidized equipment? Now we need a new grid because it is uncontrollable????
You can opt for biodiesel to run power tools if you have a diesel generator...the other option is just pay for electrical service..mine is way cheaper than my phone and internet bill even before I bought a panel with the co-op here. As someone mentioned..it's a value system choice as well. The power company in my community is not govt run
 
Yes it is. The rate changes are approved by State, as was the grid deliver charge.
You're talking about a businesses relationship to the state...and I participate from my own free will...nobody makes me even use their service..and it's not big money compared to what I just paid a plumber to fix a broken pipe in my pumphouse...it's a choice..we're not victims in my view if we make the choice
 
it's a choice..we're not victims in my view if we make the choice

Well the way I see it, you guys exercising your choice to use the solar equipment subsidized by tax credits are a big part of the reason why the grid deliver charge was approved by the State and implemented by the Power companies. The rest of us had no choice in accepting this new charge.
 
Well the way I see it, you guys exercising your choice to use the solar equipment subsidized by tax credits are a big part of the reason why the grid deliver charge was approved by the State and implemented by the Power companies. The rest of us had no choice in accepting this new charge.
Sounds like you should take it up with your representatives then...but you do have a choice..you can produce independent power and finance your own grid...I prefer the co-op myself. I have no choice when my property tax goes up every year..but I realize it's inevitable and pay it. America is not the cheapest country to live in but I'm not leaving..I didn't buy a panel until long after the system was initiated so you're dead wrong about me causing this change in your life..fact is you couldn't buy into it until it was long approved and in motion. Don't blame me for your power bill
 
Don't blame me for your power bill

I don't. I do blame the government for screwing around with the system though. Think about it! People want to be paid for power they put back into the grid.
That screws up the business model for the power companies. The only way most people can put power back into the grid is by using tax credit supported equipment.
As a result, the government has to support a change in the rate and charge structure the power companies use, so that they can pay for the power they buy from the tax subsidized power sources but not really pay for it because of the new grid charge. So now, the regular people have their electric bill doubled paying the power company because some users put power back into the grid using tax subsidized equipment.

I seriously doubt any representative, yours or mine has a clue as to what the hell happened. Just bumbling alone doing good works. Work where he/she has no fucking business screwing with it.
 
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Riverman, I am a firm supporter and believer in solar energy. And I practice what I preach about it. However, there are problems with adding solar and wind energy to the grid, real problems. The grid system we have in the PNW was never designed to handle these new energy sources.

Maybe the best way for me to explain it in a way that makes sense is to walk you through similar problems I have had with my off grid solar system, but on a much smaller scale.

I purchased what would be considered a medium size system to live off of. My electrical needs were reduced due to using propane for cooking, heat, refrigeration and water heater.

For about 8 or 9 years, my system worked fine. But, I was running the generator more than I liked, especially in the winter with short and cloudy days.

When it was time to replace my battery bank, I decided to enlarge the system by adding more panels and more batteries. (It is important to keep the age of all the batteries the same. Adding new batteries to old batteries does not give the best performance.)

The first thing I discovered was adding the new higher performance solar panels to my system was a waste of money. They would only produce at the same rate as my old panels, not the higher rate, a weakest link issue. I got lucky and found some of my old panels at a good price.

I installed a new battery bank with about 50% more storage capacity, time to rock and roll. Hold on, not so fast.

The controller was shutting down the system sometimes. Reason, my controller was not rated to handle the extra load and would shut off. I had to buy a much larger and more expensive controller to handle the increased load. With a lighter wallet, time to rock and roll. Hold on, not so fast.

My output from the panels was no where near what they should have been. Something was still wrong. The problem was the voltage was dropping at a much higher rate than normal through my wiring. (The voltage drop is much greater in the DC part of the wiring system than the AC part.) Solution, open the wallet again and increase the size of the DC wiring system.

After replacing the controller, and increasing the wiring size, I now have a system with more output and more storage capacity that works great. I seldom need to run the generator. But I had to rebuild my entire system to do it, (except the AC wiring).

Therefore it is easy for me to see how the utilities such as Bonneville Power are having problems with adding wind and solar farms to their grid system. Maybe your utility is also experiencing problems, but has not gone public yet. Bonneville has not gone public with the info yet either. I just happened to be part of a conversation by accident. I was waay over my head and kept quit, but understood enough of it to realize there are problems, and the fix is going to be very expensive.
 
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The average price of electricity to the customer ($/KWh) in Germany is over 3 times higher than the average price we pay in the USA.

The break even point varies by project. But on average, by my “guess”, when the price of electricity doubles in the USA, most solar systems would pay for themselves without subsidies.

One of the main reasons we enjoy lower than average electricity prices, especially here in the PNW, is due to the very low cost of hydro-electricity, which we have a lot of compared to other parts of our country and the rest of the world.

How much do you pay when you're selling power instead of paying for it?
 
Did you really mean to talk Solar and Tesla at the same time? Geez, I can't get enough solar panels on a 60 foot boat to run the simple electronics. How the hell are you going to get enough on a Tesla? Oh! You are going to power it from solar at home, Great! The city of Bandon put in a(one) solar powered charging station for the electric cars, for a mere $120,000 of tax payer money.
What a fucking waste, criminal even. Hardly ever a car there using the thing. It takes hours to charge a car when the sun shines. That was two day last month.

You obviously didn't watch the video. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with cars. It's a complete other product that attaches to your house.

Watch the video. It's pretty ground breaking.
 
How much do you pay when you're selling power instead of paying for it?

My solar system is 100% off grid. I do not sell power, I store the extra in batteries to use when the panels are producing less than I am using.
 
Viable? Says who?

Germany generates 6% of its energy from solar, after massive investment. To make up for there being no energy at night from this source, they're building coal power plants.
LOL


https://www.quora.com/Should-other-nations-follow-Germanys-lead-on-promoting-solar-power-1

Solar power itself is a good thing, but Germany's pro-renewables policy has been a disaster. It has the absurd distinction of completing the trifecta of bad energy policy:
  1. Bad for consumers
  2. Bad for producers
  3. Bad for the environment (yes, really; I'll explain)
Pretty much the only people who benefit are affluent home-owners and solar panel installation companies. A rising tide of opposition and resentment is growing among the German press and public.

I was shocked to find out how useless, costly, and counter-productive their world-renowned energy policy has turned out. This is a serious problem for Germany, but an even greater problem for the rest of the world which hopes to follow in their footsteps. The first grand experiment in renewable energy is a catastrophe! The vast scale of the failure has only started to become clear over the past year or so. So I can forgive renewables advocates for not realizing it yet -- but it's time for the green movement to do a 180 on this.

Some awful statistics before I get into the details:
  • Germany is widely considered the global leader in solar power, with over a third of the world's nameplate (peak) solar power capacity. [1] Germany has over twice as much solar capacity per capita as sunny, subsidy-rich, high-energy-cost California. (That doesn't sound bad, but keep going.)
  • Germany's residential electricity cost is about $0.34/kWh, one of the highest rates in the world. About $0.07/kWh goes directly to subsidizing renewables, which is actually higher than the wholesale electricity price in Europe. (This means they could simply buy zero-carbon power from France and Denmark for less than they spend to subsidize their own.) More than 300,000 households per year are seeing their electricity shut off because they cannot afford the bills. Many people are blaming high residential prices on business exemptions, but eliminating them would save households less than 1 euro per month on average. Billing rates are predicted by the government to rise another 40% by 2020. [2]
  • Germany's utilities and taxpayers are losing vast sums of money due to excessive feed-in tariffs and grid management problems. The environment minister says the cost will be one trillion euros (~$1.35 trillion) over the next two decades if the program is not radically scaled back. This doesn't even include the hundreds of billions it has already cost to date. [3] Siemens, a major supplier of renewable energy equipment, estimated in 2011 that the direct lifetime cost ofEnergiewende through 2050 will be $4.5 trillion, which means it will cost about 2.5% of Germany's GDP for 50 years straight. [4] That doesn't include economic damage from high energy prices, which is difficult to quantify but appears to be significant.
  • Here's the truly dismaying part: the latest numbers show Germany's carbon output and global warming impact is actually increasing[5] despite flat economic output and declining population, because of ill-planned "renewables first" market mechanisms. This regime is paradoxically forcing the growth of dirty coal power. Photovoltaic solar has a fundamental flaw for large-scale generation in the absence of electricity storage -- it only works for about 5-10 hours a day. Electricity must be produced at the exact same time it's used. [29] The more daytime summer solar capacity Germany builds, the more coal power they need for nights and winters as cleaner power sources are forced offline. [6] This happens because excessive daytime solar power production makes base-load nuclear plants impossible to operate, and makes load-following natural gas plants uneconomical to run. Large-scale PV solar power is unmanageable without equally-large-scale grid storage, but even pumped-storage hydroelectricity facilities are being driven out of business by the severe grid fluctuations. They can't run steadily enough to operate at a profit. [2,7] Coal is the only non-subsidized power source that doesn't hemorrhage money now. [8] The result is that utilities must choose between coal, blackouts, or bankruptcy. Which means much more pollution.

So it sucks on pretty much every possible level.

Really? Your oil company shill writes an answer on an answer site and we're supposed to take that as gospel?
 
Really? Your oil company shill writes an answer on an answer site and we're supposed to take that as gospel?
You can't handle the truth?

You'd think that an oil company engineer might know a bit about energy.

Bernie's a liar because he's a socialist. I like how you think!
 
Just more fracking company shills...

Sounds like it was written by one of their execs.

"But the question of whether Germany can meet its 2050 goal has been hotly debated. And the issue has taken on added importance with the Russia-Ukraine crisis threatening Germany’s largest single source of natural gas."

"But international energy experts, who recently completed a study of the German energy sector, say the country cannot meet its future needs solely through renewable sources. They say the plan must also include a climate-friendly — even if not renewable — option, like domestic natural gas."

Yeah... Who are these unnamed experts?

This Op Ed looks like a shill wrote it.
 

You notice, the fellow said the Power wall cost $3500 and the power was 10 to 90 kw. Well what the hell does that mean? I couldn't calculate cost from such a number. I can't even relate it to my power system I currently have installed. I have a couple ways to generate electricity, and storing it is the issue for me and that is all he was addressing. I have 1200 ampere/hrs of capacity. that is a known quantity. I don't know what 10 to 90kw of storage is.

I suppose I will have to grant that the Tesla engineers are so smart they can blow me away, but this doesn't pass a reality check that their 3500 dollar battery pack hanging on the wall will store more power than my 800 pound battery bank that cost me exact half his price. I expect my battery bank to last seven years. I have no idea how long the Tesla device will last, perhaps I missed it.

I do hope voters get more information than this fellow is handing out, I have no idea just how grand it is, nor anyway to gage how much the tax payers should invest in this technology. We can read about how it shakes out in the car in Consumer Report, but we are screwed if the climate change liberals point to this and declare it the future and cut the orders for the EPA to make it so.
 
I notice that anything that isn't green fantasy must be written by shills for big oil.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html

Altmaier and others are on a mission to help people save money on their electricity bills, because they're about to receive some bad news. The government predicts that the renewable energy surcharge added to every consumer's electricity bill will increase from 5.3 cents today to between 6.2 and 6.5 cents per kilowatt hour -- a 20-percent price hike.

German consumers already pay the highest electricity prices in Europe. But because the government is failing to get the costs of its new energypolicy under control, rising prices are already on the horizon. Electricity is becoming a luxury good in Germany, and one of the country's most important future-oriented projects is acutely at risk.

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Even well-informed citizens can no longer keep track of all the additional costs being imposed on them. According to government sources, the surcharge to finance the power grids will increase by 0.2 to 0.4 cents per kilowatt hour next year. On top of that, consumers pay a host of taxes, surcharges and fees that would make any consumer's head spin.

Former Environment Minister Jürgen Tritten of the Green Party once claimed that switching Germany to renewable energy wasn't going to cost citizens more than one scoop of ice cream. Today his successor Altmaier admits consumers are paying enough to "eat everything on the ice cream menu."

Paying Big for Nothing

For society as a whole, the costs have reached levels comparable only to the euro-zone bailouts. This year, German consumers will be forced to pay €20 billion ($26 billion) for electricity from solar, wind and biogas plants -- electricity with a market price of just over €3 billion. Even the figure of €20 billion is disputable if you include all the unintended costs and collateral damage associated with the project. Solar panels and wind turbines at times generate huge amounts of electricity, and sometimes none at all. Depending on the weather and the time of day, the country can face absurd states of energy surplus or deficit.

If there is too much power coming from the grid, wind turbines have to be shut down. Nevertheless, consumers are still paying for the "phantom electricity" the turbines are theoretically generating. Occasionally, Germany has to pay fees to dump already subsidized green energy, creating what experts refer to as "negative electricity prices."

On the other hand, when the wind suddenly stops blowing, and in particular during the cold season, supply becomes scarce. That's when heavy oil and coal power plants have to be fired up to close the gap, which is why Germany's energy producers in 2012 actually released more climate-damaging carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than in 2011.

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In the current election campaign, the parties are blaming each other for the disaster. Meanwhile, the federal government would prefer to avoid discussing its energy policies entirely. "It exposes us to criticism," says a government spokesman. "There are undeniably major problems," admits a cabinet member.

But this week, the issue is forcing its way onto the agenda. On Thursday, a government-sanctioned commission plans to submit a special report called "Competition in Times of the Energy Transition." The report is sharply critical, arguing that Germany's current system actually rewards the most inefficient plants, doesn't contribute to protecting the climate, jeopardizes the energy supply and puts the poor at a disadvantage.
 

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