Summer "BIG Swing" trade

[blazerkor]

It's not a big swing but do you think both the Lakers and Hawks would go for this? I think if we get a three for one (two players and a a pick in this draft) for Ant then we would waive Vincent and Kleber.

 

[superfly4201]

I’m not sure how much better, if any, this trade would make us, but what about Jaylen Brown and filler for Ant, Grant and 11?

Hells yeah!

 

[Chris Craig]

I’m not sure how much better, if any, this trade would make us, but what about Jaylen Brown and filler for Ant, Grant and 11?

Celtics hang up the phone

 

[LayneStaley]

I’d do Ant/11 for 5/Expiring. Doubt Utah would though.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I’d do Ant/11 for 5/Expiring. Doubt Utah would though.

Thing is, in this draft, the 5-11 are all about equal. For any mock draft that has one player at 5 and another at 11 you can find a mock that has them reversed. There's a real drop off after pick #3 but then it levels out.

 

[LayneStaley]

Thing is, in this draft, the 5-11 are all about equal. For any mock draft that has one player at 5 and another at 11 you can find a mock that has them reversed. There's a real drop off after pick #3 but then it levels out.

Yeah I just really don’t like Ant and think moving up 6 spots is worth it, even in this draft. I’d rather replace his shooting with Kon off the bench. I’ve also seen some recent mocks with VJ and Ace available at 5, would take either. I get your point though.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The Mavs are an interesting Ant destination, never thought of them before. They need a scoring guard with Kyrie injury and with him being 33 maybe longer. They have the defenders to cover Simons. They have that unprotected Lakers pick which they probably wouldn't be willing to send us but that would be amazing if they did.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The Mavs are an interesting Ant destination, never thought of them before. They need a scoring guard with Kyrie injury and with him being 33 maybe longer. They have the defenders to cover Simons. They have that unprotected Lakers pick which they probably wouldn't be willing to send us but that would be amazing if they did.

That or Lively. I don't see anything else besides that.

 

[Hoopguru]

PJ Washington would be a player Id like back in any Ant trade to Dallas.
Check out his stats.

 

[BigGameDamian]

The Mavs are an interesting Ant destination, never thought of them before. They need a scoring guard with Kyrie injury and with him being 33 maybe longer. They have the defenders to cover Simons. They have that unprotected Lakers pick which they probably wouldn't be willing to send us but that would be amazing if they did.

I would love to see Klay take Shaedon under his wing and work with him.

 

[blazerkor]

Thing is, in this draft, the 5-11 are all about equal. For any mock draft that has one player at 5 and another at 11 you can find a mock that has them reversed. There's a real drop off after pick #3 but then it levels out.

From the way mocks have been looking the last few days the drop off happens after pick #2. I've seen a few of the big mocks with Bailey dropping to 4 and even 5. I'm a big Bailey fan so if he's dropping and we could trade up there because the difference isn't seen as being that great, I'd love it if we did that.

 

[ant]

PJ Washington would be a player Id like back in any Ant trade to Dallas.
Check out his stats and he shoots the three 40plus.

Klay + Washington + Naji
for
Ant + Matisse

This trade works and might be a win for both teams. With Davis and CF at the forwards, Washington is expendable. They get Ant to fill in at PG while Irving is down, then they get his offense off the bench as a better option than old Klay. They value MT’s defense, he could be a great fit in an Irving, CF, Davis, Lively lineup.

For us, we build a great bench. We’d have to probably move Grant and find a good backup PG.
Scoot/
SS/Klay
TC/Grant/Naji
Deni/Washington
Ayton/DC

 

[Hoopguru]

Klay + Washington + Naji
for
Ant + Matisse

This trade works and might be a win for both teams. With Davis and CF at the forwards, Washington is expendable. They get Ant to fill in at PG while Irving is down, then they get his offense off the bench as a better option than old Klay. They value MT’s defense, he could be a great fit in an Irving, CF, Davis, Lively lineup.

For us, we build a great bench. We’d have to probably move Grant and find a good backup PG.
Scoot/
SS/Klay
TC/Grant/Naji
Deni/Washington
Ayton/DC

I'd go along with that trade...

 

[BigGameDamian]

Klay + Washington + Naji
for
Ant + Matisse

This trade works and might be a win for both teams. With Davis and CF at the forwards, Washington is expendable. They get Ant to fill in at PG while Irving is down, then they get his offense off the bench as a better option than old Klay. They value MT’s defense, he could be a great fit in an Irving, CF, Davis, Lively lineup.

For us, we build a great bench. We’d have to probably move Grant and find a good backup PG.
Scoot/
SS/Klay
TC/Grant/Naji
Deni/Washington
Ayton/DC

I just don’t think PJ Washington would be happy coming off the bench.

 

[ant]

I just don’t think PJ Washington would be happy coming off the bench.

I hope he wouldn’t be! I’d rather have too much talent than not enough.

 

[LayneStaley]

I don’t think Klay would be happy playing his last year or two on a rebuilding Blazers squad. I’d love Lively especially if Ayton was moved elsewhere. I think Scoot would like Lively too.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I don’t think Klay would be happy playing his last year or two on a rebuilding Blazers squad. I’d love Lively especially if Ayton was moved elsewhere. I think Scoot would like Lively too.

So we tell his agent to find a trade. Just be transparent with him that he is brought here as salary filler and we already have other starters. He's welcome to contribute off the bench until he can find a team that wants to trade for him, or give a bunch of cash back in a buyout if he really doesn't want to be here.

I still think Klay would accept the bench better than Grant/Ayton/Ant as he wouldn't be brought in with the expectation that its his starting spot. Similarly Grant/Ant/Ayton might accept coming off the bench for another team - but they won't here.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Houston looks like a great place for Durant and they feel they are close to contending; owning the ‘25 and ‘27 and ‘29 PHX picks helps; and youth — Sengun, Green, JSJ, Sheppard, Amen, Eason, Whitmore at less than age 25. AND FVV is an EC at age 31.

FVV doesn’t help the Suns long-term. Brooks is all D, little O.

FVV looks like the best filler contract … to the Blazers? With Grant, Scoot and TimeLord to the Suns along with getting back their 27 and 29 picks. The Blazers get 10, FVV and the previously rumored Jabari Smith Jr.

[If the Blazers can say that trading Scoot after two years is the smart move, then do it. If they cannot, then they have to make a decision on Ant. That deadline of February for a trade will force a decision as doing sign and trades next summer is a bad idea — little to no leverage and otherwise.]

 

[Freshtown]

Remember when Jerami was playing well and teams were interested but Joe was demanding 2 firsts? Now we’d have to attach assets to move him.

 

[Hoopguru]

I just don’t think PJ Washington would be happy coming off the bench.

I don’t think Klay would be happy playing his last year or two on a rebuilding Blazers squad. I’d love Lively especially if Ayton was moved elsewhere. I think Scoot would like Lively too.

You think Lively would be a good bu at 4/5? If he wants to start somewhere it wont be here w/ Block Lobster & Deni.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

You think Lively would be a good bu at 4/5? If he wants to start somewhere it wont be here w/ Block Lobster & Deni.

Lively was someone I did not like missing out on in his draft. He is his name. I don’t know if he will ever be a quality starter, but I like him as an active, back-up big.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Remember when Jerami was playing well and teams were interested but Joe was demanding 2 firsts? Now we’d have to attach assets to move him.

I don't think this is accurate.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

How is this not accurate ??

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Remember when Jerami was playing well and teams were interested but Joe was demanding 2 firsts? Now we’d have to attach assets to move him.

Portland does not need to add a 1st to make a trade. Flat out, I reject that and even knowing some here will disagree and can make a strong argument. Grant makes just over 20% of the cap and that percentage goes down a little. His 2 years + a player option is easily one year too long.

He has not looked real happy … and the smoke seems like he would not object to moving to a playoff team. Grant would be a really good 3rd (overpaid) forward who should age well.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Portland does not need to add a 1st to make a trade. Flat out, I reject that and even knowing some here will disagree and can make a strong argument. Grant makes just over 20% of the cap and that percentage goes down a little. His 2 years + a player option is easily one year too long.

He has not looked real happy … and the smoke seems like he would not object to moving to a playoff team. Grant would be a really good 3rd (overpaid) forward who should age well.

I would absolutely not attach a first rounder to trade Grant. No way.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

If the Blazers KNOW / have a deal in place to get a 1st ( future ?) then I do not mind attaching a first to get rid of Grant. However if you tell me they jettison Grant bring back one or 2 vets maybe get a 2nd and use that player to round out roster then hell no.

I do think there is a pretty good chance the Blazers would have to attach either a pick and/or a young player to get it done I buy that cause Grant has a bad contract and he is going down hill. I will say this I still think he has another couple solid years in him like 13 to 15 ppg with his NO rebounding and being a solid vet but again his contract is bad.

I do have one more thought on Grant -- I wonder if the fact the Blazers want to diminish his role has affected him cause I do think on a top 10 to 12 team and having a set role he might be more consistent but the Blazers do not know when or how to use him with this group of players.

 

[wizenheimer]

I've seen Evan Sidery tweet things that were wrong before so I'm a bit skeptical

however, he didn't say the 'compensation' to move Grant would be a 1st. It could be a 2nd or two; or cash + a 2nd...or taking back a smaller but unattractive contract

people should keep in mind that the history is that in the period of time between the end of the season and the draft, about 3/4 of the tweets you read about what teams are thinking are total bullshit; leaks of agenda

 

[B-Roy]

I've seen Evan Sidery tweet things that were wrong before so I'm a bit skeptical

however, he didn't say the 'compensation' to move Grant would be a 1st. It could be a 2nd or two; or cash + a 2nd...or taking back a smaller but unattractive contract

people should keep in mind that the history is that in the period of time between the end of the season and the draft, about 3/4 of the tweets you read about what teams are thinking are total bullshit; leaks of agenda

Sidery has no sources LOL. He throws shit at the wall based on logical speculation then tries to act like he had sources when something happens that was obvious.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I would absolutely not attach a first rounder to trade Grant. No way.

If Grant really wants out he needs to agree to a buyout at terms very favorable to the Blazers.

 

[blazerkor]

If Grant really wants out he needs to agree to a buyout at terms very favorable to the Blazers.

People are acting crazy right now. Jerami's contract isn't that bad. I don't think it gets a big return but I definitely think it can be moved without attaching a FRP. If we bought Jerami out he'd be on our books for his entire contract anyway... who the fuck cares how "favorable" the buyout is, we're still on the hook for the cap hit, that's the NBA.

SMH. We'll either trade him or not but the only thing that makes the guy a bit of a negative for us is the fact that he takes PT away from the young guys we want to be this team's future. He had a down shooting year last season but he's a guy that can do a lot for you on offense without the ball, with the ball and is a really good wing defender.