Summer "BIG Swing" trade

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As long as we can trade Grant somewhere for expirings I think I would do Isaac/#16 for Ant.

Granted we’d probably need to use that #16 to send with Grant to get rid of him but at least Issac would be ok coming off the bench, has some skill, and 15 mil per isn’t that bad(definitely don’t like the length of the contract) but who knows maybe he just needs a change of scenery. I just want Ant gone mainly, he can’t start next season.
 
AmirIcon said:
Black and the Nuggets pick

Or

Magic pick + Nuggets pick

I'd be fine with either.
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I was thinking Ant and two future SRPs for Black, Anthony and pick 16 in this draft. I know some people don't like Cole but I think he'd be a good backup for Scoot, he hit the three at above 35% this last season and plays hard... I don't think they'll need him if they have Ant and a healthy Suggs back. They can also bring Corey Joseph back for cheap and they were giving him more minutes to in the playoffs than Cole.

I know I just said he'd be Scoot's backup but I still like the idea of Scoot, Deandre, the worst of the 2029 FRPs and our lotto protected 2031 FRP, conveys as our 2031 SRP if in the lotto for Zion.

I honestly think that a lineup of Shae, Tou, Deni, Zion and Clingan has three competent playmakers (Deni, Zion and Shae). You would have Cole Anthony and Anthony Black off of the bench who can both run the point. We could probably draft Demin with one of picks 10 or 16 and get a big forward that could play small ball 5 with the other pick. Demin and Fleming or Newell and Demin.

That roster would be really fun to watch next season, if healthy would make a push for the playoffs and a possible run to the second round and they would be a nightmare for opposing teams to play with Chauncey's style and all of that length and athleticism.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK. How about Simons and Ayton for Isaac, KCP, Black and FRP? Isaac is used to being a backup and so Clingan could start with no drama. Isaac has four more years but it's at only 15 million a year. he was fairly productive before last year. I guess that is two bad contracts. Maybe we would need to get two FRPs?
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ORL would have no interest in Ayton. Isaac really isn't a bad contract.
 
Anthony Black had zero assists in his 5 games in the playoffs. (89 minutes) Not saying the guys sucks, but that is pretty hard to do for a PG. Sounds like he brings the ball up the court and stands in the corner. Does he have any play-making ability at all?

I do see some potential with him as a backup, but I feel like he is a little overrated by Blazer fans.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Anthony Black had zero assists in his 5 games in the playoffs. (89 minutes) Not saying the guys sucks, but that is pretty hard to do for a PG. Sounds like he brings the ball up the court and stands in the corner. Does he have any play-making ability at all?

I do see some potential with him as a backup, but I feel like he is a little overrated by Blazer fans.
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They run all of their stuff through Banchero and Wagner. Black isn't actually a PG even though he's listed as one - that's what OM fans have discovered.
 
my hunch is that if Orlando had a strong enough interest in Simons to offer a 1st round pick, the deal would have already happened. They aren't going to pony up two first's for him IMO
 
wizenheimer said:
my hunch is that if Orlando had a strong enough interest in Simons to offer a 1st round pick, the deal would have already happened. They aren't going to pony up two first's for him IMO
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He's not even worth a first. Lol. Such a boring player.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
They run all of their stuff through Banchero and Wagner. Black isn't actually a PG even though he's listed as one - that's what OM fans have discovered.
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That makes sense. So, if he is more of a defensive SG, I would rather give the minutes to Thybulle or eventually Rupert.
 
I think the blazers know we need shooting. I don’t see us giving up Simon’s for a bunch of non shooters unless they have something else coming down the pipe
 
That’s why we should draft Tre Johnson if available and we move on from Ant(hopefully). Johnson is a bucket.
 
blazedanugz said:
I think the blazers know we need shooting. I don’t see us giving up Simon’s for a bunch of non shooters unless they have something else coming down the pipe
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I hope the Blazers aren't trying to contend for a title next year so we really don't need to plan for such short term goals as shooting roster fit of a player on an expiring contract.
 
If not Zion or Sabonis — Onyeka Okongwu should be the primary target.

He’s the next Deni: breakout player with a bigger
role.

Perfect PF next to Clingan.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
If not Zion or Sabonis — Onyeka Okongwu should be the primary target.

He’s the next Deni: breakout player with a bigger
role.

Perfect PF next to Clingan.
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Kings gonna king and accept our poo poo platter for Sabas Jr
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Anthony Black had zero assists in his 5 games in the playoffs. (89 minutes) Not saying the guys sucks, but that is pretty hard to do for a PG. Sounds like he brings the ball up the court and stands in the corner. Does he have any play-making ability at all?

I do see some potential with him as a backup, but I feel like he is a little overrated by Blazer fans.
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Doesn't that sound like a coaching issue? It'd be interesting to know if Black thinks he's being well-used or could stand a change of scene.
 
wizenheimer said:
my hunch is that if Orlando had a strong enough interest in Simons to offer a 1st round pick, the deal would have already happened. They aren't going to pony up two first's for him IMO
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I agree that both of those FRPs for Ant isn't at all likely. That being said I don't think you can read into a deal not having "already happened" before the lotto, after which Joe will have a concrete undertanding of his assets heading into the draft.

I think that we could see Ant and a couple of future second rounders going to the Magic for Black, Anthony and the 16th pick or just Ant for those two players and the 25th pick. We'll find out soon enough.
 
The "Big Swing"/Overreaction to 2nd round loss" trade:

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Cleveland does a soft reset. Garland is still very good. Mobley is great. They replace their SG and C with much cheaper SG and C.

Portland trots out Simons/Mitchell/Tou/Deni/Allen
with Grant, Scoot, RW3, Tisse FAs off the bench and makes a 2 year push.
 

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SharpesTriumph said:
I hope the Blazers aren't trying to contend for a title next year so we really don't need to plan for such short term goals as shooting roster fit of a player on an expiring contract.
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They said they want to go for the playoffs next year.
If you trade Simon’s we will have zero plus 3 pt shooters. Guys can grow into that but it’s going to make life a lot harder for guys like scoot and Shaedon. Teams will dare them to shoot
 
RR7 said:
The "Big Swing"/Overreaction to 2nd round loss" trade:

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Cleveland does a soft reset. Garland is still very good. Mobley is great. They replace their SG and C with much cheaper SG and C.

Portland trots out Simons/Mitchell/Tou/Deni/Allen
with Grant, Scoot, RW3, Tisse FAs off the bench and makes a 2 year push.
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Somehow I really hate this trade for both teams.

Blazers wouldn't be able to contend and would have sold away their future.

Cleveland won 64 games and is dealing with multiple injuries - they need much more than two FRP to switch to a rebuild. They gave up what 4 FRP for Mitchell? I could maybe see them looking to trade one of Garland or Allen or something this summer - more along the lines to get a better positional fit though. Not Mitchell and not multiple starters.
 
RR7 said:
The "Big Swing"/Overreaction to 2nd round loss" trade:

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Cleveland does a soft reset. Garland is still very good. Mobley is great. They replace their SG and C with much cheaper SG and C.

Portland trots out Simons/Mitchell/Tou/Deni/Allen
with Grant, Scoot, RW3, Tisse FAs off the bench and makes a 2 year push.
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I hate this trade for us, changing in all of that potential for two proven pieces that I just don't think make us close to a contender. Then on the other side this is a total gut punch to Cavs fans, they probably feel they are one good trade or signing away from contention and the team decides to hit reset and bet on potential.

The reason the trade sucks so bad is because you have two fan bases that have a vision of what next year and years to come might look like and your dashing the hopes of both. You're telling us that we better get comfortable with being an also ran playoff team when we're hoping for a contender in 4 or 5 years and your telling the Cavs fans to wait 4 or 5 years to see what they can become when they're hoping for a real shot at a title next season.

Rarely is a trade this bad for both teams, not so much functionally but from a fan and marketing perspective.
 
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Agree with both of you I don't like it for either. Was just throwing out a big swing. I think Mitchell leaves us and we're left with little, and yeah, Cleveland flips off their fans.
 
Kuminga is also on the Deni-like breakout candidate tier in a bigger role.

Specifically speaking, it’s his defensive versatility as to why I’d make him a primary target.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Kuminga is also on the Deni-like breakout candidate tier in a bigger role.

Specifically speaking, it’s his defensive versatility as to why I’d make him a primary target.
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That's the problem with Onyeka Okongwu. Doesn't have nearly the defensive versatility of Kuminga or Draymond Green.
But I do htink we need someone with more size and toughness but also agility.
 
GSW has a small time window. They desperately need size/rebounding
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Kuminga is also on the Deni-like breakout candidate tier in a bigger role.

Specifically speaking, it’s his defensive versatility as to why I’d make him a primary target.
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Not seeing this at all... Deni was starting every game for the Wizards and often one of their best players.

Kuminga is a 3rd string player in Golden State and often doesn't play.

He seems more similar to the Matisse Thybulle career arch.
 
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