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Boob-No-More said:
The problem is if we just move Meyers, we will not be under the luxury tax threshold. Even if we dumped him on a team under the cap for a future 2nd round draft pick, we'd only be about us about half way there. We'd need to move at least one more sizable contract.

BNM
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Yeah, that's why I mentioned Meyers and (Turner or Crabbe).
 
Boob-No-More said:
Because most other teams aren't in the same luxury tax hell we are. Many will be under the cap this summer and several will even be under the salary floor. Some also view Crabbe as a potential starter, and he could start for some of the worst teams in the league like BRK or PHI. So, overpaying him is must less consequential to them.

In POR's case, it's not just about the money, although that starts to add up really quickly (do you really want a player like Allen Crabbe costing you over $100 million a year?), it's about the other penalties associated with being over the "apron" - the point $4 million above the tax threshold. Right now, we're projected to be $20 million over the tax threshold, it we do nothing, for the 2017-18 season. Declining Ezeli's team option get's us to about $14 million over the tax threshold, or $10 million over the apron, and that's without adding anyone to take Ezeli's roster spot. Being over the apron means you lose your bi-annual exception. It also means the amount of your MLE goes down. There are also much tighter restrictions on trades you can make. Basically, it makes it much harder to make roster moves to improve your team.

And, then there is the higher tax rate for repeat offenders. If we keep Crabbe as long as you suggest, we will be in repeater tax territory even if we don't resign Nurkic or Vonleh. A team that is a repeat offender that is $20 million over the tax threshold pays $4.75 for every dollar they are over the threshold. If we keep Crabbe, his salary in 2018-19 will be $19,332,500. At the repeater tax level we would be at, not even counting any raises Norkic and Vonleh get, Crabbe's contract would cost the team $111,161,185 per year. I can see Paul Allen shelling out that kind of dough to keep Damian Lillard, or maybe C.J. McCollum, or possibly Jusuf Nurkic, but $100 million a year for Allen Crabbe, no way.

We need to cut a shit ton of salary and we need to do it before next February's trade deadline and Crabbe has the biggest contract other than Dame of C.J. He needs to go, and if we want to resign Nurkic and Vonleh, Turner and Leonard will likely need to go before the 2019 trade deadline as well. We already have two max players in Dame and C.J. Nurkic will likely be a third, or at least close to it. You just can't have a bench player making nearly $20 million a year when you have three other max. contract players on your roster.

BNM
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I'm just saying I wouldn't trade Crabbe for nothing or actually pay to get rid of him. I would pay to get rid of Leonard. By 2019 should be able to get rid of Turner, maybe even get something back.
 
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BonesJones said:
That's a cop-out response for someone that doesn't know how to counter a valid point.
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"Crabbe doesn't do anything" yeah totally valid point let me brainstorm a retort real quick.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Often, that is the case. Tonight, however, he did a lot. Really made a case for not being an albatross.
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Yeah the pull up on the break at the free throw line was a tough shot since he was running hard and Beverly was riding his ass.
I think he shoots mostly 3's for the same reason Meyers does.........Terry prefers him to.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah the pull up on the break at the free throw line was a tough shot since he was running hard and Beverly was riding his ass.
I think he shoots mostly 3's for the same reason Meyers does.........Terry prefers him to.
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Also had a couple nice floaters curling up toward the lane off passes to him on the baseline. Not to mention the multiple times he straight picked someone's pocket out on the perimeter.

He did a lot tonight, and it was nice to see him involved early.
 
I have come to believe that Crabbe has an at least somewhat high trade value. Here is a ranked list of SG FAs this offseason:
Wade
KCP
Redick
Tyreke
Korver
Roberson
....

http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-shooting-guards/

Because of his age, I view Crabbe around the KCP level, probably between KCP and Redick on the list for a rebuilding team. My guess is that KCP will get Crabbe money this offseason.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Often, that is the case. Tonight, however, he did a lot. Really made a case for not being an albatross.
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Oh, he has his moments. Bit that's all they are, moments. Not sustained periods.
 
Trade myle for sabonis. Sabonis and nurk on the floor together with hark dame and cj.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Because most other teams aren't in the same luxury tax hell we are. Many will be under the cap this summer and several will even be under the salary floor. Some also view Crabbe as a potential starter, and he could start for some of the worst teams in the league like BRK or PHI. So, overpaying him is must less consequential to them.

In POR's case, it's not just about the money, although that starts to add up really quickly (do you really want a player like Allen Crabbe costing you over $100 million a year?), it's about the other penalties associated with being over the "apron" - the point $4 million above the tax threshold. Right now, we're projected to be $20 million over the tax threshold, it we do nothing, for the 2017-18 season. Declining Ezeli's team option get's us to about $14 million over the tax threshold, or $10 million over the apron, and that's without adding anyone to take Ezeli's roster spot. Being over the apron means you lose your bi-annual exception. It also means the amount of your MLE goes down. There are also much tighter restrictions on trades you can make. Basically, it makes it much harder to make roster moves to improve your team.

BNM
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Cutting Ezeli is given. The last projected 17-18 luxury tax figure I saw was 122 million. Cutting ez should bring us down to 130.7. Aminu and Davis should be very tradeable as cap dumps. But Id prefer we ditch ml,et,or ac.
 
Bump and discuss further. I'm not all that interested in the draft this year. We all know it's Paul Allen favorite time I bet we keep at least 1. We need veterans that know how to play and win! It shouldn't be about age limits anymore. Go find a player like an Iso Joe and a few good bigs. With the right team around Dame, C.J and Nurkic this team is ready to win!
 
I wonder if Detroit would do a Jackson/Boban for Turner/Napier/Aminu?

(This would allow Detroit to take the French PG in the draft)
 
*Trade up for Zach Collins or Lauri Markkanen

*Trade for Stanley Johnson or Mario Hezonja
 
BigGameDamian said:
Dude we need proven players that are comfortable in the clutch. Not some young unproven newbies with potential.
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BigGameDamian said:
Dude we need proven players that are comfortable in the clutch.
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I agree. However, those players won't be available for what Portland has to trade (assuming Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic are off the table).

So...

Not some young unproven newbies with potential. Unless you guys want to continue to bake the cake that is?
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Baking the cake, it is. Hopefully with some delicious, unproven newbies on top.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Dude we need proven players that are comfortable in the clutch. Not some young unproven newbies with potential. Unless you guys want to continue to bake the cake that is?
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Nah. We won't get a star and getting another average player who helps us win 4 more games in regular season will do us nothing good. We won't compete with Warriors even if we get two players of Thad Young and Wilson Chandler average/decent quality.

Draft will be where we improve with a view to truly compete in 2-4 years when Warriors are no longer this good. It's not unthinkable that draftess could help us even sooner. Recently players like Brogdon, Booker or Myles Turner did not need several years.
 
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