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Harry's Raincoat said:
What does everyone think of trying to get Draymond Green. GSW will have challenges trying to resign both max guys Durant and Curry, and resign or replace Iggy, Pechulia, Livingston and West.

They might look at our 3 picks (and Turner or Crabbe) as a way of balancing the checkbook!

Dame - CJ - Harkless - Green - Nurk!
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hell no.
 
Jon said:
he wont come here. he hates the blazers. remember getting the best point guard ever in nolan smith before him? he always has said that he loves it when he beats us.
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Which is fine. He is nice role (or is it roll?) player off the bench. We don't need a stretch 4, but we do need someone who can spread the floor at least a little bit. I think we can get that in the draft.
 
I think we gotta target Avery Bradley. Not exactly sure what Boston would want, but with all their young guys already, Bradley's expiring deal next year, and their top pick in the draft (which may end up with a guard), it seems like he could be available.

He'd be a perfect fit next to Dame and CJ IMO.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
What does everyone think of trying to get Draymond Green. GSW will have challenges trying to resign both max guys Durant and Curry, and resign or replace Iggy, Pechulia, Livingston and West.

They might look at our 3 picks (and Turner or Crabbe) as a way of balancing the checkbook!

Dame - CJ - Harkless - Green - Nurk!
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...
 
I'm pretty happy with Vonleh if his developmental trend continues, I like Aminu coming off the bench on his contract, I think we'll be hard pressed to move ET (and I like the different aspects he brings) so for me I would be looking to move Crabbe and Meyers to clear salary space, and maybe Harkless and Ed with an asset to upgrade the SF position, then use free agency to fill needs on the bench.
 
Target Aaron Afflalo. Please read first before you puke.

Trade Meyers ($9.9 million) & one of our first round picks for Aaron Afflalo ($12.5 million).

This trade sounds bad, adding salary, plus I do not want Afflalo in a Blazers uniform again.

So how does this trade help the Blazers? It could cut about $30 million from our team salary over the next three seasons.

Afflalo’s contract expires next season. However, only $1.5 million is guaranteed. We could trade for Afflalo, and then cut him (I think). This would save $8.4 million next season, and then $10.6 million and $11.2 million the following seasons.
 
oldfisherman said:
Target Aaron Afflalo. Please read first before you puke.

Trade Meyers ($9.9 million) & one of our first round picks for Aaron Afflalo ($12.5 million).

This trade sounds bad, adding salary, plus I do not want Afflalo in a Blazers uniform again.

So how does this trade help the Blazers? It could cut about $30 million from our team salary over the next three seasons.

Afflalo’s contract expires next season. However, only $1.5 million is guaranteed. We could trade for Afflalo, and then cut him (I think). This would save $8.4 million next season, and then $10.6 million and $11.2 million the following seasons.
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I still puked.

No point to trade out a first to get rid of Meyers.
 
We gain very little by getting rid of Meyers-- his contract isn't THAT bad, even if he keeps at his current production.

PA paid loads of $ for Varejao and Mike Miller to get more draft picks-- he certainly won't be okay with giving up picks to move contracts.
 
yuyuza1 said:
We gain very little by getting rid of Meyers-- his contract isn't THAT bad, even if he keeps at his current production.

PA paid loads of $ for Varejao and Mike Miller to get more draft picks-- he certainly won't be okay with giving up picks to move contracts.
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Trading Meyers is not about gaining, it is about saving what we have. A pure business decision.

Without going into all of the boring salary cap details, the short version is.

If you want to re-sign Vurkic and Vonley, then we need to dump salaries. OR pay a ship load full of luxury tax, which PA has said he is not in favor of doing.

As it stands now, just signing our first round picks this summer will probably push us into the luxury tax.
 
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oldfisherman said:
Trading Meyers is not about gaining, it is about saving what we have. A pure business decision.

Without going into all of the boring salary cap details, the short version is.

If you want to re-sign Vurkic and Vonley, then we need to dump salaries. OR pay a ship load full of luxury tax, which PA has said he is not in favor of doing.

As it stands now, just signing our first round picks this summer will probably push us into the luxury tax.
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Agreed, but I'd add...

Everyone, Biebs included, will expect $10 mil players to get PT. If we become the team I hope we do, he'll get none. If he's still on the roster, it'll hurt team chemistry.

Assuming we're keeping Vonleh and Nurk, we don't get to keep Biebs, Crabbe, and ET (for luxury tax reasons). My guess is that we have to dump 2 of them taking back only a fraction of their actual salaries. Likely, this means trading both Crabbe and Biebs.

All should keep in mind that CJ's salary is going from $3 mil this year to $24 mil next year, and that we were only $30,000 under the cap THIS year.
 
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BonesJones said:
I still puked.

No point to trade out a first to get rid of Meyers.
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It might be saving Paul Allen a truck load of dough though. Resigning Nurkic in 18-19 will put us over the luxury tax, guaranteed.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Agreed, but I'd add...

Everyone, Biebs included, will expect $10 mil players to get PT. If we become the team I hope we do, he'll get none. If he's still on the roster, it'll hurt team chemistry.

Assuming we're keeping Vonleh and Nurk, we don't get to keep Biebs, Crabbe, and ET (for luxury tax reasons). My guess is that we have to dump 2 of them taking back only a fraction of their actual salaries. Likely, this means trading both Crabbe and Biebs.

All should keep in mind that CJ's salary is going from $3 mil this year to $24 mil next year, and that we were only $30,000.
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Basically we need to undo our last fucking offseason.
 
Sinobas said:
It might be saving Paul Allen a truck load of dough though. Resigning Nurkic in 18-19 will put us over the luxury tax, guaranteed.
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Brooklyn would probably take him for free.

Or at least trade Crabbe out with Leonard to Brooklyn and get someone like Kilpatrick back to replace Crabbe and save $26M a year in the process.
 
Shaun Livingston role: Ricky Rubio

Enas Kanter role: Jahlil Okafor

Do it Neil.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Shaun Livingston role: Ricky Rubio

Enas Kanter role: Jahlil Okafor

Do it Neil.
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I'm down for Rubio only if we can get rid of Turner, or get a legit stretch 4 and stretch 5 off the bench, which would mean no Okafor.

Rubio + Turner playing together would be a trainwreck unless you have 3 legit shooters around them.

But if you have a bench unit of Rubio, Turner, and Okafor, you literally have 3 players that need to ball to be effective, and none of them are good shooters from anywhere except for right at the rim. It'd be a spacing nightmare. Rubio and Turner's defenders would collapse hard on Okafor, leading to many poor shots from Okafor, or kickouts to awful shooters in Turner and Rubio. Okafor would be a huge negative with those 2. Rubio and Turner are also average defenders, while Okafor is an awful defender. So not only would the offense be jacked up, but we'd probably struggle defensively too.

Don't do it Neil.
 
BonesJones said:
Brooklyn would probably take him for free.

Or at least trade Crabbe out with Leonard to Brooklyn and get someone like Kilpatrick back to replace Crabbe and save $26M a year in the process.
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Once Crabbe's restriction is done I wouldn't be opposed to trading Crabbe+Leonard (and rights to Diez) to Brooklyn for Joe Harris+Trevor Booker.
 
I can see trading Crabbe to like the Nets because he has value that they want. But how the hell are we going to trade Turner and Beibs in anything other but a salary dump with another team? We aren't SA who can just get former employees to take our past mistakes.... Meyers we might be able to get another team to take him if we attach a pick though.
 
ripcityboy said:
I can see trading Crabbe to like the Nets because he has value that they want. But how the hell are we going to trade Turner and Beibs in anything other but a salary dump with another team? We aren't SA who can just get former employees to take our past mistakes.... Meyers we might be able to get another team to take him if we attach a pick though.
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Or we could attach Meyers with Crabbe in a Brooklyn trade. Just say "If you want Crabbe, take Meyers too".

If not, organize a 3 way trade with Crabbe going to Brooklyn for one of the Nets late 1sts, and send that 1st to another team to take Turner or Meyers.
 
honkicracker said:
Dumping players just to dump players.
What is Portland Denver now?
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No. It'd be dumping players to add players.

To be more exact, it'd be dumping players to get cap space to sign better players that fit.

For example, James Johnson won't make more than $12-$14M, and would be way more valuable than Turner, Leonard, or even Crabbe.

In any possible deal with Brooklyn you could get back Kilpatrick and his $1M contract. He could fill the role of a departing Crabbe or Turner at $15M+ cheaper per year.

It's not just dumping players to dump players.
 
BonesJones said:
No. It'd be dumping players to add players.

To be more exact, it'd be dumping players to get cap space to sign better players that fit.

For example, James Johnson won't make more than $12-$14M, and would be way more valuable than Turner, Leonard, or even Crabbe.

In any possible deal with Brooklyn you could get back Kilpatrick and his $1M contract. He could fill the role of a departing Crabbe or Turner at $15M+ cheaper per year.

It's not just dumping players to dump players.
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That's almost like saying Meyers could fill the role of Nurkic.
 
Sinobas said:
It might be saving Paul Allen a truck load of dough though. Resigning Nurkic in 18-19 will put us over the luxury tax, guaranteed.
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I'm afraid Nurkic has to be maxed too.

Scalma said:
Here's another guy; Robert Covington.
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I don't think they would trade RoCo, his contract is nothing. They get a legit player for free.
 
I don't think anyone that says to get rid of Crabbe would say so if he was making 5M. 3rd or 1st or whatever from 3 the fact is we cannot afford both him and Turner so just talking about his "stats" doesn't really mean anything. And when we pay another 80(at least-I think more) to Nurkic next year the problem will be huge.

I wish we could keep everyone and sign even more players, but this is not realistic so anyone that says get rid of Crabbe doesn't have to justify himself and answer questions on how you replace his 3%. It's just a realistic approach and Joe Harris is not that worse a shooter for example. If NO says we don't have a prob to pay lux tax for 3-4 years in a row then ok, keep them, I'm happy.
 
I can't see how we can keep Crabbe and Turner, one has to go. Trade the one you can get the best return on.
 
What do we think about Mudiay from Denver? I haven't seen a lot of him, but he was highly rated coming into the league, maybe another Denver (gold) nugget ripe for the mining!?
 
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