Sunday August 17th Yankees @ Rays 1:40PM

[Rick2583]

RHP - Hiroki Kuroda 7-8 4.03 vs. RHP - Jeremy Hellickson 1-1 2.61

 

[Rick2583]

Today's lineup....................

LF - Gardner
DH - Jeter
CF - Ellsbury
1B - Teixeira
RF - Beltran
C - McCann
3B - Headley
SS - Drew
2B - Prado

 

[Messiah717]

You look at the lineup and you say ok some decent names. Then you look at the averages and this season is no surprise.

 

[Rick2583]

3 complete for the Yankees and not even a damn hit yet. I didn't think it possible but this team is even more boring than last years team.

 

[Rick2583]

Top 5 two outs & no hits by the Yankees, down 1-0 and than.........


A walk to Drew
A double by Prado
A 2 run single by Gardner
A single by Jeter
A single by Ellsbury

And just like that the Yankees lead 3-1

 

[Art51USAF]

How come Drew not batting last.

 

[Art51USAF]

Longoria what a puss B J Upton would like to kick his ass.

 

[Rick2583]

How come Drew not batting last.

You'd have to ask the Genius that makes out the lineup. Maybe he just wants to give Drew more wasted ABs.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Good show today, Yankees finally get a series at the Tropicana Trash can. Per MLB the Yankees 30 games won this year scoring four or lees runs is tied for 2nd best in Baseball. Looks like like the rookie & the old man outpitched the vaunted Tampa Bay Staff opponents. Hope the Rays snorkel under .500 for the remainder of the season.

 

[Rick2583]

Holy shit we won again. That's two in a row.

 

[yankeesince59]

You'd have to ask the Genius that makes out the lineup. Maybe he just wants to give Drew more wasted ABs.

...where would you have him bat, "genius"?

 

[yankeesince59]

Holy shit we won again. That's two in a row.

...and it's all because the genius made out the line up, no?

 

[Rick2583]

...where would you have him bat, "genius"?

9th so he could have less chances to fail. Did this really need explaining?

 

[yankeesince59]

...yes, it DOES need explaining, because he only bats 9th ONCE in the game.

 

[Rick2583]

...yes, it DOES need explaining, because he only bats 9th ONCE in the game.

C'mon Ron you're better then this, it doesn't take a genius to know that as you go through the lineup during a game that the guys in the lower part of the batting order get less chances to bat then the guys at the top of the order. Please say you knew that.

 

[yankeesince59]

...uhhh, I'm gonna go ahead and win this argument and be done with it

....The worst hitter in the line up does not automatically bat 9th...it has a lot to do with what side of the plate they hit from and who is batting in front of them as well as who is batting in the #1 spot in the order.
...Brett fucking Gardner spent near the whole year about 2 years ago batting 9th...was he the worst hitter on the club?...of course he wasn't, but after once through the line up he batted in front of Jeter, who batted 1st.

...as you pointed out in another thread, both Prado and Drew were sucking wind offensively since joining the Yanx (both batting below .200)...Other than giving you an obligatory opportunity to blindly bash Girardi, what fucking difference does it make which one is batting 8th or 9th?

 

[Rick2583]

...uhhh, I'm gonna go ahead and win this argument and be done with it

....The worst hitter in the line up does not automatically bat 9th...it has a lot to do with what side of the plate they hit from and who is batting in front of them as well as who is batting in the #1 spot in the order.
...Brett fucking Gardner spent near the whole year about 2 years ago batting 9th...was he the worst hitter on the club?...of course he wasn't, but after once through the line up he batted in front of Jeter, who batted 1st.

...as you pointed out in another thread, both Prado and Drew were sucking wind offensively since joining the Yanx (both batting below .200)...Other than giving you an obligatory opportunity to blindly bash Girardi, what fucking difference does it make which one is batting 8th or 9th?

Apparently the NL never got the memo. They seem to think that the worst hitter in the lineup (in this case the pitcher) should bat 9th. What a bunch of morons.

 

[yankeesince59]

...wtf does the NL have to do with what we are discussing?...last time I checked, Drew plays for the Yanx and the Yanx are in the AL.

 

[Rick2583]

...wtf does the NL have to do with what we are discussing?...last time I checked, Drew plays for the Yanx and the Yanx are in the AL.

The entire NL puts there worst batter hitting 9th. Prior to the DH the AL put there worst hitter batting 9th. (pitchers) They did this so they would end up having fewer ABS then the better players hitting further up in the lineup. And even now in the AL 90% of all lineups put there weakest hitters in the 9 hole so the'll get less ABs. The fact that Gardner hit in the 9 hole for most of last season was very unusual.

DAMN! there's a few minutes I'll never get back.

 

[yankeesince59]

...again, wtf does the NL have to do with anything?...we're talking about the difference in Drew batting 8th or 9th. He batted 8th because the guy behind him (Prado) was RHed, followed by Gardner who is LHed, followed by Jeter who is RHed, yadda yadda yadda...any of this simple lefty, righty, lefty, righty, etc. concept sinking in yet?
...and get your facts straight,...read what I said again, I said nothing about where Gardner batted last year (he only batted 9th 3 times), I said about "2 years ago"...in 2012 he was hurt most of the year but batted 9th more than any other spot in the line up...and he batted 9th because Jeter batted 1st...in 2011 he batted 8th or 9th half the year and when he did bat leadoff it was usually because Jeter was hurt.

...aside from batting lead off, during his career Gardner has batted 9th more times than in any other spot in the line up, combined.


...but you are right about one thing...you completely wasted "a few minutes".

 

[Messiah717]

When you have the so called meat of the lineup batting .235 the argument about spot eight and nine doesn't matter much.

 

[Rick2583]

...again, wtf does the NL have to do with anything?...we're talking about the difference in Drew batting 8th or 9th. He batted 8th because the guy behind him (Prado) was RHed, followed by Gardner who is LHed, followed by Jeter who is RHed, yadda yadda yadda...any of this simple lefty, righty, lefty, righty, etc. concept sinking in yet?
...and get your facts straight,...read what I said again, I said nothing about where Gardner batted last year (he only batted 9th 3 times), I said about "2 years ago"...in 2012 he was hurt most of the year but batted 9th more than any other spot in the line up...and he batted 9th because Jeter batted 1st...in 2011 he batted 8th or 9th half the year and when he did bat leadoff it was usually because Jeter was hurt.

...aside from batting lead off, during his career Gardner has batted 9th more times than in any other spot in the line up, combined.


...but you are right about one thing...you completely wasted "a few minutes".

Whether Gardner batted 9th last year 2 years ago or when he was in little league don't mean a hill of shit to me. The point is is that it was unusual since the 9th hole is generally reserved for your worst hitter. Why do you think pitchers occupied that spot for decades prior to the DH. But I'll tell you what, since winning an argument isn't really all that important to me Ron, I concede victory to you. Have a good night.

 

[yankeesince59]

Whether Gardner batted 9th last year 2 years ago or when he was in little league don't mean a hill of shit to me. The point is is that it was unusual since the 9th hole is generally reserved for your worst hitter. Why do you think pitchers occupied that spot for decades prior to the DH. But I'll tell you what, since winning an argument isn't really all that important to me Ron, I concede victory to you. Have a good night.

...you can concede whatever you want as long as you admit you were wrong...for the THIRD fucking time, the NL has NOTHING to do with why Drew batted 8th instead of Prado in the last game.
...I've illustrated why it is done the way it is, and yet you still focus on the NL. I have also shown why someone like Garder has batted in the 9 spot 627 freaking times in his career, but using your logic that should imply that Gardner was the worst hitter on the team, but he obviously was not.
...and again for the THIRD time, Girardi, like other managers, try to stagger the line up so that he won't have as many instances of 2 or more consecutive LHed or RHed batters in the line up...and it's been that way for years. Like I said earlier, when you have 2 struggling hitters like Drew and Prado, why complain about which bats 8th or 9th?...what fucking difference does it really make?

...as usual, your blind disdain for Joe Girardi skews your judgment.

 

[Rick2583]

...you can concede whatever you want as long as you admit you were wrong...for the THIRD fucking time, the NL has NOTHING to do with why Drew batted 8th instead of Prado in the last game.
...I've illustrated why it is done the way it is, and yet you still focus on the NL. I have also shown why someone like Garder has batted in the 9 spot 627 freaking times in his career, but using your logic that should imply that Gardner was the worst hitter on the team, but he obviously was not.
...and again for the THIRD time, Girardi, like other managers, try to stagger the line up so that he won't have as many instances of 2 or more consecutive LHed or RHed batters in the line up...and it's been that way for years. Like I said earlier, when you have 2 struggling hitters like Drew and Prado, why complain about which bats 8th or 9th?...what fucking difference does it really make?

...as usual, your blind disdain for Joe Girardi skews your judgment.

Holy shit Ron, I'll give you this much, right or wrong when you dig your heals in you don't budge. So just to show that I don't think you're completely wrong I'll give you this, deciding between a 170 hitter (Drew) or a 200 hitter (Prado) on who hits 8th or 9th (though Prado is clearly the better hitter) really shouldn't matter much. But with that said I'm not just talking about yesterday game regarding Girardi's questionable lineup order, I'm talking about Girardi's lineup since Drew joined the team.

Now I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you're probably the only one on the board here that doesn't see the correlation between Drew hitting 9th & the NL that I bring up. Which for the 3rd time I only mention to make a point. Pitchers now & for the most part ALWAYS have hit 9th in the order because they are the weakest hitters in the lineup & should get the least amount of times to hit. I'm sorry if you can't follow my reasoning for the comparison (To make a point) but again you're probably the only one.

Stay with me here now, Drew is the weakest hitter in the Yankee lineup therefor he should get the least chances to hit (like NL pitchers) And yet the genius (please note I'm not calling him an idiot anymore) hasn't batted this anemic hitter 9th in ANY game he's played in (13 games). And he's only battered in the 8th spot 4 times. Girardi has actually battered him 7th & even 6th in 9 of the 13 games he's played. So sorry that lefty/righty bullshit theory of yours just goes out the window here. This is just pure stupidity. I mean seriously what fucking manager bats a 170 hitter 6th or even 7th?

Now my head hurts from banging it against the wall, So since you're not a fan of being wrong & I really don't give a rats ass either way I'll just say again that I concede. Besides with the kind of weak hitting lineup that the Yankees have is it really important whether the teams worse hitter hits 9th, 8th, 7th (biting my tongue) or even (dare I say it) 6th?

So to make your day......................I'M WRONG! So in other news how about that 13 year old girl pitching in the little league?

 

[yankeesince59]

"Besides with the kind of weak hitting lineup that the Yankees have is it really important whether the teams worse hitter hits 9th, 8th, 7th (biting my tongue) or even (dare I say it) 6th?"

...lol...no shit. What do you think myself and other have been saying since this shitstorm started. If it really doesn't matter like you have FINALLY admitted, why did you make an issue out of it?

...as far as you asserting Drew should have as few as possible ABS, without his BB in the 5th inning yesterday, the Yanx probably lose that game.

...and you're still going with the irrelevant "NL" or "pitchers" thing?... last year ML pitchers had an OPS of .333 while Drew's OPS is .543 even as bad as he's been....for the FOURTH time, as bad as Drew has been at the plate, Prado has been nearly as bad. So again, why the hell are you whining about why Drew batted 8th instead of 9th?... Prado and Drew vs RHed pitching is a wash...if a LHed pitcher had started yesterday Drew probably would not have even played.

 

[Rick2583]

...lol...no shit. What do you think myself and other have been saying since this shitstorm started. If it really doesn't matter like you have FINALLY admitted, why did you make an issue out of it?

...as far as you asserting Drew should have as few as possible ABS, without his BB in the 5th inning yesterday, the Yanx probably lose that game.

...and you're still going with the irrelevant "NL" or "pitchers" thing?... last year ML pitchers had an OPS of .333 while Drew's OPS is .543 even as bad as he's been....for the FOURTH time, as bad as Drew has been at the plate, Prado has been nearly as bad. So again, why the hell are you whining about why Drew batted 8th instead of 9th?... Prado and Drew vs RHed pitching is a wash...if a LHed pitcher had started yesterday Drew probably would not have even played.

AGAIN!!! I'm not just talking about yesterdays game Your beloved can't do no wrong Girardi has been doing this with Drew since he joined the fucking team. Drew has never battered 9th & has only battered 8th 4 of 13 games. Sorry but Drew has no business hitting as high as 7th with a 170 average. And you have to be a complete brain dead moron to bat him 6th. Though I know you'll never admit that. God forbid Girardi ever does anything that can be questioned.

Drew with his anemic batting average & being as close to a sure out as a pitcher would be should only be hitting 8th or 9th PERIOD!! Case closed. You're wrong, deal with it.

And please don't come back with "But he battered 8th YESTERDAY so what's the problem" This subject is over.

 

[yankeesince59]

...lmao...he batted 8th yesterday...so what's the problem?

...but oh, NOW you're also throwing in batting 6th and 7th into the equation?...way to keep things in context. It's really quite simple, if you go back and read, your original beef was why he was batting 8th instead of 9th YESTERDAY...I clearly explained to you why but you then went off on another tangent and brought up the "NL" as if that had anything to do with the topic...you then finally admitted your error by saying "is it really important whether the teams worse hitter hits 9th, 8th, 7th (biting my tongue) or even (dare I say it) 6th?"

...but here you are still whining about it...Jesus, make up your mind.

...without interjecting more irrelevant BS, can you please stay on topic and explain why your original beef was why Girardi batted Drew 8th instead of Prado...and why you somehow think it really matters?...seriously, do you even know?

 

[Rick2583]

...lmao...he batted 8th yesterday...so what's the problem?

...but oh, NOW you're also throwing in batting 6th and 7th into the equation?...way to keep things in context. It's really quite simple, if you go back and read, your original beef was why he was batting 8th instead of 9th YESTERDAY...I clearly explained to you why but you then went off on another tangent and brought up the "NL" as if that had anything to do with the topic...you then finally admitted your error by saying "is it really important whether the teams worse hitter hits 9th, 8th, 7th (biting my tongue) or even (dare I say it) 6th?"

...but here you are still whining about it...Jesus, make up your mind.

...without interjecting more irrelevant BS, can you please stay on topic and explain why your original beef was why Girardi batted Drew 8th instead of Prado...and why you somehow think it really matters?...seriously, do you even know?

Damn Ron this unhealthy obsession you have with Girardi has reached the level of comic relief at its finest. I mean holy shit man, I can only wish that I was as right about some things & you seem to believe Girardi is about everything. And I think I'll actually fall off my chair the day I hear you say anything negative about Joseph Girardi. I know its a tough pill to swallow but your idol is not beyond making a boo boo from time to time. And again this is not just about yesterday, I've been biting my tongue with your boys lineups since Drew came on board. Yesterday was just a response to another poster questioning yesterday's lineup. And if this is not clear enough for you I'm sorry. But I'm done with this.

 

[yankeesince59]

...back up. I'm not the one with the "Girardi obsession"...you're the one who's incessantly blaming him for nearly everything that is wrong with this team...if you're not referring to him as "an idiot", you're referring to him as a "brain dead moron"...and he's neither.

...you're all over the place in this thread...first you have a problem with Drew batting 8th, then you say it "doesn't really matter"... after being told why the order was the way it was, you then decided to irrelevantly interject the NL for some unexplained reason...then after explaining away the poor comparison between Drew and the NL, you throw in "well, he shouldn't have batted 6th or 7th either" which had NOTHING to do with yesterday.
...now you claim for the THIRD time that you're "through" with this discussion, but you keep coming back for more. I seriously think you've said so many things in this thread that even you don't really recall what has been said.
...and unlike you, the reason I don't blindly bash Girardi at every opportunity is because he knows more about the game, this team, and its player than either of us, and he is privy to much more info than a bunch of message board posters, no matter how much they may think otherwise.

 

[Pastafazul]

someone on here needs an enima or maybe a suppository, don't know for sure