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KingSpeed said:
Webster was PHENOMENAL tonight.
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Webster has a phenomenal quarter against the Jazz. That's the only time I'd apply that adjective to his performance.

He was good, but let's not get too worked up. He's still not a starting quality SF for a team with aspirations past the 1st round.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Is this really how we celebrate an awesome victory--by arguing amongst ourselves over whether or not our SF played the best game of his career? Can we not just all agree that he was excellent tonight instead of turning his excellence into yet another basis for pointless debate?
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*ding*
 
craigehlo said:
He was good, but let's not get too worked up. He's still not a starting quality SF for a team with aspirations past the 1st round.
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IF he were able to play like this regularly (I still hold out hope), he would be easily more than adequate.
 
KingSpeed said:
You're staring too closely at the boxscore.

He made big CLUTCH plays for us on both sides of the court in the FOURTH QUARTER tonight. He's never done that for us. EVER. The importance of his block on Amare and his huge rebound to win the game doesn't show up in the boxscore. NOR does it show up that he had to play PF for the entire quarter and pulled it off. Don't get hung up on the 15 & 7. He got us easy baskets at the hole earlier in the game when we were getting none and then he hit big shots from outside at the end and made huge HUGE game winning plays in terms of defense and rebounding.

Please show me a game in which he did anything for us in the final 5 minutes of the game. You won't find it.
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I can't remember every game in Webster's career, especially when we are apparently judging him based on what position he played and what part of the game he made his best plays. I'm surprised that you can - so much so that you can anoint this performance as by far his best ever.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Is this really how we celebrate an awesome victory--by arguing amongst ourselves over whether or not our SF played the best game of his career? Can we not just all agree that he was excellent tonight instead of turning his excellence into yet another basis for pointless debate?
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Good point.

What makes it doubly amusing is that people would rather talk about Webster than Bayless' performance.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
IF he were able to play like this regularly (I still hold out hope), he would be easily more than adequate.
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I guess I'm not as optimistic. He's had plenty of chances and failed lately. He'll face some teams on the road trip with legit front lines. If he can continue the same output from tonight, I'll change my tune.
 
Lets start a new thread that has a poll for who should be discussed more :devilwink:
 
oldmangrouch said:
Good point.

What makes it doubly amusing is that people would rather talk about Webster than Bayless' performance.
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I understand that one. Bayless' performance was obvious, inarguable, and impossible to miss. Webster's contributions were more "outside the box (score)", making acknowledgement and praise thereof more indicative of "fan IQ". Kinda like Barkley's old Nike commercial. "Any knucklehead can score (praise Bayless), but rebounding (praising Webster) takes brains, and wit, and charm, and..."
 
I am just really happy my two favorite Blazers, Martell Webster and Jerryd Bayless, had their best games of the career on the same night...It was awesome to see them embrace at the end!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I understand that one. Bayless' performance was obvious, inarguable, and impossible to miss. Webster's contributions were more "outside the box (score)", making acknowledgement and praise thereof more indicative of "fan IQ". Kinda like Barkley's old Nike commercial. "Any knucklehead can score (praise Bayless), but rebounding (praising Webster) takes brains, and wit, and charm, and..."
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Nice. You just praised by fan IQ.

I don't know why people got down on me. I was PRAISING one of our own and some got pissed.
 
What's really crazy to think about is, that if all the injuries hadn't happened, and Nate hadn't been forced to play Bayless, we may not have ever got to see this kid reach his potential. Nate might not have ever given him minutes. Now we get to watch this kid mature through the season, and that in itself, is very exciting no matter how the season turns out.
 
B-Roy said:
Yeah Webster was better guarding the PF than Howard...
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Well, that's not a real surprise. Frye is a really tall SF that just happens to be listed as a C, because of a sunstroke by whoever deals with that stuff at PHX.
 
andalusian said:
Well, that's not a real surprise. Frye is a really tall SF that just happens to be listed as a C, because of a sunstroke by whoever deals with that stuff at PHX.
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Yes, but Howard has longer arms. Frye should be able to just lift off and shoot over Webby.
 
hasoos said:
What's really crazy to think about is, that if all the injuries hadn't happened, and Nate hadn't been forced to play Bayless, we may not have ever got to see this kid reach his potential. Nate might not have ever given him minutes. Now we get to watch this kid mature through the season, and that in itself, is very exciting no matter how the season turns out.
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Nate is fully aware of what Bayless can and can not do. He tried to give him the BU PG as a 19 year old rookie. Did he bring him along too slowly. Maybe. But Nate wants to win as badly as anyone.
 
B-Roy said:
Yes, but Howard has longer arms. Frye should be able to just lift off and shoot over Webby.
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I like Howard a lot, as a person and as a basketball player that knows all the tricks. But he is just not fast enough to close on a stretch-shooter like Frye anymore. For a person that is actually getting close to hit his mid-life crisis, he is very athletic, but for an NBA player, not so much, anymore.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Nate is fully aware of what Bayless can and can not do. He tried to give him the BU PG as a 19 year old rookie. Did he bring him along too slowly. Maybe. But Nate wants to win as badly as anyone.
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I think they pretty much bailed on the idea that JB is a PG first. He is a SG that can score and guard PGs. That's what he is. Once he is used in this role, it will be just fine. The nice thing - is that on this team, with B-Roy on the roster, and other point-guards/distributing guards like Rudy, that's good enough. You use him as B-Roy junior, or you think of him as KP originally said, like Jarret Jack on steroids. That's what he is. He can dribble well enough, he can set up some people as long as he is not the primary setup/creating guy. He can score in bunches.

The real question, long term, is, imho - Can we make a 3 guard line that revolves around JB, Roy, Rudy and ? work? If we can, great, if not, Rudy should be trade-bait, and that's a real shame - because he is such a wonderful player.
 
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andalusian said:
I think they pretty much bailed on the idea that JB is a PG first. He is a SG that can score and guard PGs. That's what he is.
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Bayless is a shooting guard that can score, as well as distribute better than the average shooting guard. Which makes him essentially the same sort of player as Roy, but sized to defend point guards. That's why I think he makes such a good complement to Roy...neither player is up to snuff as a "point guard," but their distributing ability combined will give the team enough distributing from their backcourt.
 
craigehlo said:
If the Suns had a legit center, not a PF playing out-of-position, this could very well be a loss. We can't dig an early hole like this on the road trip and expect to win.
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We have a legit center in Joel. Amare was a nightmare matchup for Joel because he can put it on the floor, is quick around the hoop and can take it outside and drain jumpers. Not many guys in the league that Joel will be guarding can do that. Except for last year with Shaq, the Suns have always played small in the frontcourt and we usually don't play well against them with the exception of last year when they had Shaq.

I do agree with you on the early hole on the road part though. We need to be the agressors in the first quarter.
 
Minstrel said:
Bayless is a shooting guard that can score, as well as distribute better than the average shooting guard. Which makes him essentially the same sort of player as Roy, but sized to defend point guards. That's why I think he makes such a good complement to Roy...neither player is up to snuff as a "point guard," but their distributing ability combined will give the team enough distributing from their backcourt.
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What Bayless is is a scoring PG. There is no need to over think this. As a regular rotation guy, Bayless would probably give you 16/4
 
What did I miss last night? All I see are a bunch of bayless threads lol
 
Mediocre Man said:
What Bayless is is a scoring PG. There is no need to over think this. As a regular rotation guy, Bayless would probably give you 16/4
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Agreed- I dont understand how people dont think he can be a PG. he put out 4 assists last night and 29 points....what did our other PG's do? 4 or 5 assists? wow.....

Shit, if we were going to off assists, Roy's are damn PG.

Bayless is quick enough to defend the PG, strong enough to drive and finish, and will eventually get more NBA smarts (w/more PT) to run our team into the future.
 
blue32 said:
Agreed- I dont understand how people dont think he can be a PG. he put out 4 assists last night and 29 points....what did our other PG's do? 4 or 5 assists? wow.....

Shit, if we were going to off assists, Roy's are damn PG.

Bayless is quick enough to defend the PG, strong enough to drive and finish, and will eventually get more NBA smarts (w/more PT) to run our team into the future.
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That is what I have been trying to tell folks. Just give him the minutes, he gets as many assist as Blake or close to it, but scores way more points.

You don't have to settle for a one dimensional guard in this league. That is what we have had for the past 5+ years.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Good point.

What makes it doubly amusing is that people would rather talk about Webster than Bayless' performance.
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Martell's performance was less expected, certainly more crucial to the win, and Martell has a much less abrasive ego than Bayless.

How is it doubly amusing?
 
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