Suns could deal Amaré - would you trade for him?

[axs88]

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Would you trade RLEC + Aldridge for Stoudamire? Man, I just don't know... Stoudamire comes off as somewhat of a me first guy, could very well hang us out to dry in 2010, and is having kind of a down year compared to last year (maybe 'cause Shaq is playing better this year).

On the other hand, he's only 2.5 years older than Aldridge (STATS just turned 26), and there's no guarantee Aldridge will ever be the player he is now (even in a down year). I think in the end I would pass because of his character and the high probability of him bolting in 2010 to be the man on a team (a'la Joe Johnson, Marion etc.). Of course I would do RLEC+Outlaw or something laughable for him, but the Suns would ask for Aldridge for sure.

Thoughts?

 

[RoyToy]

If you want a guy that doesn't give you consistent effort, especially on D, go for it.

I'm fine with Aldridge.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If you said Bosh, maybe...Amare? No thank you.

 

[maxiep]

Amare is an amazing player, but I think LMA is a better fit for this team.

 

[crowTrobot]

he will probably opt out in 2010 so you're potentially talking about a 1.5 year rental. wouldn't do that even if he was a better fit than aldridge, which he's not.

 

[Further]

I agree that Aldridge over STAT. But part of that is that I don't think that Nate would be the right coach to get top production out of Amare just like Porter isn't. We have Oden, which will keep us as a half court team and thats not the right system for Amare. Aldridge on the other hand does quite well in our system and he plays defense to boot.

D'Antoni's system is a star maker system that elevates players above their actual ability. Since he took over for the knicks and I have seen players like Duhon go for 22 assists, it has reinforced this view. Marion, Diaw, Barbosa and others have all had extreme production under D'Antoni and were being looked at around the league as better players then they actually are. I thought that STAT was the exception to this, and to a degree he is, but even his value was inflated by his old system.

 

[MIXUM]

first of all they wont trade amare at the deadline...no chance imo.

second...if the suns are really talking about trading players like amare...it could mean they are feeling that their current roster wont make the playoffs which would obviously be great for us.

bad news for the blazers is that we would play the lakers in the first round almost like not making the playoffs. that is why the 7th seed is a must.

 

[Further]

first of all they wont trade amare at the deadline...no chance imo.

second...if the suns are really talking about trading players like amare...it could mean they are feeling that their current roster wont make the playoffs which would obviously be great for us.

bad news for the blazers is that we would play the lakers in the first round almost like not making the playoffs. that is why the 7th seed is a must.

I don't care if we make the 8th seed and play the Lakers, at least its the playoffs, it will get our boys a chance to gain some experience. And who knows, maybe the Blazers would be the team that would knock off the big boys on the block.

But in the end, I expect several teams to all be shuffling positions right up till the end of the season, and small streak or decline could mean the difference between 6th and 8th.

 

[hasoos]

first of all they wont trade amare at the deadline...no chance imo.

second...if the suns are really talking about trading players like amare...it could mean they are feeling that their current roster wont make the playoffs which would obviously be great for us.

bad news for the blazers is that we would play the lakers in the first round almost like not making the playoffs. that is why the 7th seed is a must.

Well obviously you haven't been paying attention to the playoffs the last few years. The kind of talk you are throwing out there completely ignores the noise that several last seeds have made in the playoffs, including Golden State and Atlanta. I don't care if Atlanta did lose the series, taking the Celtics to 7 was making noise to be proud of.

 

[azsun67]

How would this make us the eighth seed? We could be anywhere between 3-8.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

I like LMA right where he is at.

 

[Tortimer]

I agree with most posters here and we should keep LMA. I think he will be a lot better fit for this team.

 

[MIXUM]

first amare seems like a me first type guy as hes showing in phoenix. second LA has lots of upside still. we arent trading fr amare. thats a gurantee.

second...the best playoff spot we get is 6. thats if we play great and i doubt that with guys like sergio and outlaw getting major minutes.

 

[Ed O]

second...the best playoff spot we get is 6. thats if we play great and i doubt that with guys like sergio and outlaw getting major minutes.

We are going to continue to challenge for the division title. That means we can get the three seed.

Ed O.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I was listening to ESPN recently and they were showing interviews of him- what a cancer! When he was averaging the most minutes and most shots per game all he did was bitch and undermine the coach for not playing him enough and him not getting the ball more.

No thanks.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I agree with someone earlier, if it was Bosh I would do it for sure, but with Amare, nah. He seems to be somewhat of a cancer and whines a lot. Also seems disinterested in playing defense.

 

[crowTrobot]

I agree with someone earlier, if it was Bosh I would do it for sure

another 1.5 year rental

 

[Ed O]

another 1.5 year rental

Why on earth would Bosh walk away from Portland?

Richest owner of a pro sports team in this hemisphere? Check.
Another all-star to help carry the burden? Yes.
Potentially dominant big man? Yes.
Depth? Youth? A respected head coach? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Bosh would go... where? Cleveland? NY?

I like LA, but if we got Bosh in a deal I don't think I'd be worried for an instant he would be going anywhere.

Ed O.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Why on earth would Bosh walk away from Portland?

Richest owner of a pro sports team in this hemisphere? Check.
Another all-star to help carry the burden? Yes.
Potentially dominant big man? Yes.
Depth? Youth? A respected head coach? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Bosh would go... where? Cleveland? NY?

I like LA, but if we got Bosh in a deal I don't think I'd be worried for an instant he would be going anywhere.

Ed O.

Completely agree, would be a great situation for him and I think he knows he would be stupid to leave if such a thing happened. With Amare he has more of a ego and would probably be pissed that he is on another team without being the man.

 

[Minstrel]

As much as I like Aldridge, an Aldridge + LaFrentz deal for Bosh (and I'd be willing to throw in more, like Outlaw) would be exactly the sort of consolidation deal I'd love to see. Turn some lesser assets into an upgrade of one of the team's top-three players.

I quite agree with others that there's little reason to believe Bosh would leave. Unlike free agency in other sports, the free agent market in the NBA doesn't provide the possibility to get more money. No other team would be able to offer Bosh as much as Portland could. Bosh would be on as talented a team as he could hope for.

 

[PapaG]

Suns could deal Amaré - would you trade for him?

Nope

 

[crowTrobot]

Why on earth would Bosh walk away from Portland?

Richest owner of a pro sports team in this hemisphere? Check.
Another all-star to help carry the burden? Yes.
Potentially dominant big man? Yes.
Depth? Youth? A respected head coach? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Bosh would go... where? Cleveland? NY?

I like LA, but if we got Bosh in a deal I don't think I'd be worried for an instant he would be going anywhere.

Ed O.

i was just pointing out that he's not locked up long-term. and in any case no matter how likely you think it is that he would stay it can't be guaranteed and there is some risk of things not working out, or of him wanting to play with lebron or whatever. there's also a sizeable risk that LMA will be just as valuable as bosh at 1/2 the price over the next 5+ years. i would assume any risk at all wouldn't be worth it to the blazers.

 

[Minstrel]

i was just pointing out that he's not locked up long-term. and in any case no matter how likely you think it is that he would stay it can't be guaranteed and there is some risk of things not working out, or of him wanting to play with lebron or whatever. there's also a sizeable risk that LMA will be just as valuable as bosh at 1/2 the price over the next 5+ years. i would assume any risk at all wouldn't be worth it to the blazers.

Why would "any risk at all" be a deal-breaker? There's also a risk to Aldridge...he's not currently as good as Bosh, so there's the risk that he never will be. There are arguments to be made for the risk on each side, but I don't see that "any risk at all" makes acquiring Bosh not worth it. That would only be true if Aldridge's value was certain to be at least equal Bosh's.

 

[crowTrobot]

Why would "any risk at all" be a deal-breaker?

because it's not obvious that bosh would be an upgrade from aldridge at all, much less a big enough upgrade to be worth the extra cap-crippling salary.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

because it's not obvious that bosh would be an upgrade from aldridge at all

?? how is it not obvious

 

[crowTrobot]

?? how is it not obvious

i meant long-term, although they're not that far apart right now. bosh is a better more aggressive rebounder currently, but offensively there's not that much separating them, and neither is exactly an all-NBA defender.

 

[Minstrel]

because it's not obvious that bosh would be an upgrade from aldridge at all, much less a big enough upgrade to be worth the extra cap-crippling salary.

The Blazers are going to be well over the cap anyway, once they begin re-signing their players. I definitely think the upgrade of Bosh would be well-worth being more over the cap. Championship contention would go up quite a bit with a surefire star/near-superstar talent in Bosh.

Aldridge could get there in the future, but he's far from Bosh now. Bosh has about a 5 PER advantage on him, which is quite massive. And they're near the same age.

 

[crowTrobot]

The Blazers are going to be well over the cap anyway, once they begin re-signing their players.

i'm talking about now, not after we re-sign everybody. even if bosh ends up being better aldridge + upgrading PG or SF may end up being worth a lot to the blazers than giving up any flexibility to switch aldridge for bosh.

Aldridge could get there in the future, but he's far from Bosh now.

not recently he's not.

Bosh has about a 5 PER advantage on him, which is quite massive.

4.33 for the season, and over the last month or so the difference is a lot less than that. and as i said from what i've seen bosh would not be an upgrade defensively, which PER doesn't reflect.

And they're near the same age.

i didn't say that was relevant, but bosh is 17 months older.

 

[RoyToy]

I don't think Bosh would be a big enough of an upgrade over Aldridge to even do the deal. Maybe this year, sure. But in the years to follow? I'm not so sure. McMillan loves Aldridge's versatility on the defensive end so I don't think he'll be going anywhere anyways.

I also talk to a couple of Raptors fans on another board and they sort of just rag on the dude like we do on Sergio or something. He doesn't seem to be very well liked right now in Toronto, but I'm not 100% sure of that.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

People always go through stages of not liking their own players when they do something wrong.

I tend to remember quite a few of us getting pissed at Roy a couple games ago for not passing the ball at the end of the game when he had sucked that whole game (and other players were hot)

I wouldn't read too much into Toronto fans dissing Bosh now and again.