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BlazerBender said:
Its a valid question though. There are songs being released every year with this word in it. If im singing along am i supposed to not say it? Should i not say it only because of my skin color but other people with different skin color can listen, sing along and say it without recourse?
There are movies put out with the word in it still. What do we do with those directors of these movies?
Im just saying there should be a judgemental difference of someone using it as an insult vs someone reading a quote or some other nondirect speech that isnt used as an insult but providing a verbatim?
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Your suppose to not say it, even if it's in a song because of it's etymology. I don't understand how that isn't clear. It's not ok to say or repeat regardless.

Yes, it is used in movies, either to demonstrate the reality and impact of racism or as part of the language structure of black communities.

It is an oppressive word that the black community reclaimed to empower themselves. It's not ok for you or me or any other white person to say it period.
 
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Chris Craig said:
Your suppose to not say it, even if it's in a song because of it's etymology. I don't understand how that isn't clear. It's not ok to say or repeat regardless.

Yes, it is used in movies, either to demonstrate the reality and impact of racism or as part of the language structure of black communities.

It is an oppressive word that the black community reclaimed to empower themselves. It's not ok for you or me or any other white person to say it period.
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So this was wrong and biden should resign?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-n-word-senate/
 
Chris Craig said:
Your suppose to not say it, even if it's in a song because of it's etymology. I don't understand how that isn't clear. It's not ok to say or repeat regardless.

Yes, it is used in movies, either to demonstrate the reality and impact of racism or as part of the language structure of black communities.

It is an oppressive word that the black community reclaimed to empower themselves. It's not ok for you or me or any other white person to say it period.
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So if Im on the stand as a witness to a verbal assault of racism and the defendant’s attorney asks me to repeat what i heard?
 
Chris Craig said:
He shouldn't have said it. He could have handled that differently. If that Senate hearing happened now, it would be handled differently.
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Would you demand him to resign?

You're advocating Sarver be banned.
 
BlazerBender said:
So if Im on the stand as a witness to a verbal assault of racism and the defendant’s attorney asks me to repeat what i heard?
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There are ways around saying it. Even in that situation, I wouldn't say it. I would say he verbally assaulted him with degrading racial epithets that I will not repeat.
 
Chris Craig said:
There are ways around saying it. Even in that situation, I wouldn't say it. I would say he verbally assaulted him with degrading racial epithets that I will not repeat.
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Also, that's quite an absurd hypothetical
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Would you demand him to resign?

You're advocating Sarver be banned.
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If he said it today, yes. It wasn't ok that he said it, even in the context he said it in.

Sarver committed along of disgusting behavior. He should go. If you want to defend him fine.
 
RR7 said:
Also, that's quite an absurd hypothetical
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I guess it's possible. I could see a Lawyer trying to do that for dramatics. It would be objected to. You can't force a witness to say a racial epithet.
 
Chris Craig said:
If he said it today, yes. It wasn't ok that he said it, even in the context he said it in.

Sarver committed along of disgusting behavior. He should go. If you want to defend him fine.
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So it was more acceptable to say the N-word in the 1980s than it is today. Got it.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So it was more acceptable to say the N-word in the 1980s than it is today. Got it.
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It was not acceptable then and is not now. What I am saying is we have made a good deal of progress since then, and while he may have thought it was ok to repeat it then, he would not now.

You are the one that seems to be arguing there are acceptable circumstances in which to use racial epithets.
 
Chris Craig said:
It was not acceptable then and is not now. What I am saying is we have made a good deal of progress since then, and while he may have thought it was ok to repeat it then, he would not now.

You are the one that seems to be arguing there are acceptable circumstances in which to use racial epithets.
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Well, you are the one with a "zero tolerance" policy, but it seems to be selectively enforced since you aren't calling for Biden's resignation over this. Because it happened in the past or whatever your argument is.
 
Chris Craig said:
I guess it's possible. I could see a Lawyer trying to do that for dramatics. It would be objected to. You can't force a witness to say a racial epithet.
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Notice how dudes only post in this thread is to make my hypothetical out as absurd?
Don't give that guy ammunition. He has an agenda. just another one of his futile attempts to “gotcha” me.

Its not really all that absurd at all.
A verbal assault would have to be proven and in order to prove it, the specific words would need to be addressed to determine the caliber of the assault.

I don't think any word should be forgotten or removed. Its how we repeat our errors.
Sometimes the gruesome realities need to be depicted verbatim in order to provide a visual of the true impact.
 
BlazerBender said:
Notice how dudes only post in this thread is to make my hypothetical out as absurd?
Don't give that guy ammunition. He has an agenda. just another one of his futile attempts to “gotcha” me.

Its not really all that absurd at all.
A verbal assault would have to be proven and in order to prove it, the specific words would need to be addressed to determine the caliber of the assault.

I don't think any word should be forgotten or removed. Its how we repeat our errors.
Sometimes the gruesome realities need to be depicted verbatim in order to provide a visual of the true impact.
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I said it's possible.

I stand by what I have said. That word should not be used by white people. I won't use it.
 
Chris Craig said:
I said it's possible.

I stand by what I have said. That word should not be used by white people. I won't use it.
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I dont disagree but i will give certain situations a semi pass just like you have. Like Biden. Or like someone reciting verbatim an incident. It just isn't the same as someone using it for ill intent and shouldn't be judged as such. So from that standpoint, i think the original question el prez asked was legit. It helps determine the magnitude of the offense.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Well, you are the one with a "zero tolerance" policy, but it seems to be selectively enforced since you aren't calling for Biden's resignation over this. Because it happened in the past or whatever your argument is.
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Stop being frivolous. I have said he shouldn't have said it and that it was not ok, even then. I stand by that.

I have called for Sarver's resignation not solely because he said that but also because his other behaviors.

Just because I didn't say Biden should resign doesn't mean I believe what he said was right, even in the context to which he said it.
 
Sarver is a pig, but Sterling was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy worse.
Plus Sterling was caught on tape, was Sarver?

I don't know the answer to that question but I doubt the owners like Cuban want a lawsuit over it unless they can prove everything. Especially if they don't want to open themselves up to things like "Emailed pornography to a small group of male employees - Dropped his underwear "unnecessarily" while a male employee was performing a fitness check on him - Danced "pelvis to pelvis" with a male employee at a holiday party".

These are all idiotic things to do, but compared to the racist slum lord Sterling?
 
Chris Craig said:
A recording came out of Sterling admonishing his mistress for taking and posting a picture of her online along side Magic Johnson, saying he didn't like that she was associating with black people.

The NBA banned Sterling for life and fined him $2.5 million.

The NBA was going to vote to strip him and his wife of ownership, but his wife took control, saying he had Alzheimer's and made a deal to sell the team to Ballmer and promise not to sue the NBA and to release them from any responsibility of suits or legal issues stemming from Sterlings comments.


Why Sarver's fine is alot bigger than Sterlings, I don't understand why he too wasn't banned. His acts were just as egregious.
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It wasn’t just that one thing. Sterling said a lot of racist things on that recording and the players were planning to walk out of playoff games. I don’t believe any Suns players did the same.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So it was more acceptable to say the N-word in the 1980s than it is today. Got it.
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Yes it was. No question. A bunch of things were more acceptable in the 80's than they are now. Sit down and watch Eddie Murphy "Raw" and get back to us.
Then go and watch a few things from the 60's and 70's and really get your eyes opened. After you are through with all of that go read some of what the news papers were printing in the 50's about Elvis Pressley. Then you might really "Get It" but I think not.
 
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