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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 25 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought the idea of having a bunch of bigs was to allow room for a guy like Sean or whoever to develop. It's all but a given Yi is starting at the 4 with Najera backing him up so why not stash Williams and let him grow a la Jermaine O'Neal on Portland. If he earns his minutes thats great, if not he keeps working and we have other options we can defer to. He's not worth packaging with Hassell or Swift just to get them off our books and we damn well better get somebody nice in return.

Seriously he makes so little money for the potential he has it's downright retarded to give up on him this quickly especially seeing as guys like him take a few years to mature. He could be more than ready by 2010!

I know we're building a Frank team but for godsakes give him more than one friggin' summer. This is the same crap I got pissed at when we lost Hassan and he actually played better in summer league before they cut him for that waste of space Magliore. I like the additions we've made this offseason but every one are role players except maybe Yi who could bud into a star and having a bunch of role players isn't enough no matter how much we stress team basketball. Sean could be a damn good player and I will be really pissed if he's traded for some assinine financial reason.</div>
He only makes $1.26mm, so it wouldn't be for financial reasons.

I think they should put him in the D-League and really see what they have with a lot of minutes.
 
this team is full of crap.

what big man coach has sean been working with“ who is on this team to teach him?

the closest he had was cartwright and i wouldnt exactly call cartwright a role model for bigmen, he was serviceable yes but is that what we want sean to be?

fly olajuwon out here for a month during the summer and have him mentor this kid, hire a real big man to coach the bigs on our team, like buck williams or gilliam. ask terry cummings! i am sure there are some old bigs that are itching to be around the game and pass along knowledge.

frank has never even played highschool ball! what is he gonna tell sean? what tricks does he know about battling in the paint?

our bigs are going into this season naked!

look what jabbar did with bynum in 2 seasons!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He only makes $1.26mm, so it wouldn't be for financial reasons.

I think they should put him in the D-League and really see what they have with a lot of minutes.</div>

When I said financial reasons I meant packaging him with another player like Trenton to get his unappealing deal off our books. How many teams give up on freaky athletic shot blockers who only make that much scratch? Only dumb ones.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 25 2008, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He only makes $1.26mm, so it wouldn't be for financial reasons.

I think they should put him in the D-League and really see what they have with a lot of minutes.</div>

When I said financial reasons I meant packaging him with another player like Trenton to get his unappealing deal off our books. How many teams give up on freaky athletic shot blockers who only make that much scratch? Only dumb ones.
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They'll only trade him if they think he's never going to develop. They see more than us. He's an athletic big... Thorn salivates over those.

If they do tie him to Hassell then it's for cap space to sign someone else next season, not to save money. It would just be a side benefit, not their sole motivation. You don't do that with bigs you think have potential.
 
Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
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he doesnt work hard, and takes off whenever he feels like it. that stuff can be contageous.
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Wait where have I heard this before...ah, see, this is what happens when you watch Dante & Galante and take them seriously.

I wouldn't doubt that there are people on this board who have played organized basketball longer than Sean has; don't confuse that for being a bad person.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i REALLY hope this is true. getting rid of Sean williams is the only thing left on my offseason wish list. Everything else has come to fruition. We got dooling, we moved RJ for young players and contracts that come off the books. we drafted Lopez(i wanted thomas or lopez) we got rid of marcus williams....

Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Do you actually believe this?

Frank will always have a problem with a player. He always has. The only players that wont be in his doghouse at some point are Najera and Carter. Everyone else will be at some point next year. Carter because Frank doesnt know how to deal with stars. Najera because he is a do everything type of player like his boy Collins but much better offensively.

As far as negativ influences, I dont get that. What did Sean do last year that was negative. He was a rookie and showed a lot of promis.

I dont get it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
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he doesnt work hard, and takes off whenever he feels like it. that stuff can be contageous.
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Wasnt there an article saying he has been working out this summer? For someone that is lazy, why would you do that? The guy was a rookie last year. If he continues this year, then I can understand.

That said. If it is for josh smith i am all for it. Now that childress is gone, I really doubt the hawks let Smith go.
 
Swat, in my opinion, can be like Tyson Chandler, if not a lot better because I think he can get some offensive moves that Tyson doesn't. I don't know why they would want to trade him away. I think that his level of skill and potential is even greater than Yi, and if we will be rebuilding you have to keep a guy like Sean. Who cares if he isn't the smartest guy in the locker room, who cares if he is not as mature as you would expect him to be. At least he doesn't have a negative effect in the locker room, he still respects his team and teammates. He hasn't done anything really immature outside of the locker room. I don't ever remember him doing something stupid on the court (speaking about characteristics). He hasn't said something that was inappropriate to the media, so I don't get where all the negative attacks come from. For God's sake the guy just finished his rookie year, give him a couple more and I will guarantee he will be a significant starter somewhere in the league.

But if the Nets can get something that is really worth the potential value of Swat, then I guess I wouldn't be mad at them to do such a thing.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this. If we just move him in a salary dump with another player, I won't like it. If we just get a pick from a team that will make the playoffs, I won't like it either. But I would love it if we could package him with some expirings for a really nice player.
 
Nobody's pointing out the elephant in the corner.

Would you say that Cliff Robinson, Lamar Odom, and Josh Howard are positive locker room influences?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Froz-T @ Jul 25 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swat, in my opinion, can be like Tyson Chandler, if not a lot better because I think he can get some offensive moves that Tyson doesn't. I don't know why they would want to trade him away. I think that his level of skill and potential is even greater than Yi, and if we will be rebuilding you have to keep a guy like Sean. Who cares if he isn't the smartest guy in the locker room, who cares if he is not as mature as you would expect him to be. At least he doesn't have a negative effect in the locker room, he still respects his team and teammates. He hasn't done anything really immature outside of the locker room. I don't ever remember him doing something stupid on the court (speaking about characteristics). He hasn't said something that was inappropriate to the media, so I don't get where all the negative attacks come from. For God's sake the guy just finished his rookie year, give him a couple more and I will guarantee he will be a significant starter somewhere in the league.

But if the Nets can get something that is really worth the potential value of Swat, then I guess I wouldn't be mad at them to do such a thing.</div>
Are u kiddin' me? Tyson is very good rebounder, sean's NOT. Tyson's a aite defender, sean's NOT. Tyson's a good offensive player around the basket, sean's not. Sean's a good shot blocker, that's it.
 
Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 25 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are u kiddin' me? Tyson is very good rebounder, sean's NOT. Tyson's a aite defender, sean's NOT. Tyson's a good offensive player around the basket, sean's not. Sean's a good shot blocker, that's it.</div>

Or, you could actually go and look up each of the rebounding numbers from their rookie years, and notice that they're eerily similar.

IIRC Tyson wasn't even that great of a defender when he game into the league. He had height, that's about it.

I'm not saying Sean can't get to his level (albeit at the PF position), but it's not completely out of the question.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div>
I completely agree. And I don't want this to become a public service announcement or anything like that.

But I don't know anyone who's been kicked off of campus because of it. If you think that there is no possible way that this is connected to the "bad character" tag Williams has, you are being naive.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div>


yes... stephen jackson!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 25 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 25 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are u kiddin' me? Tyson is very good rebounder, sean's NOT. Tyson's a aite defender, sean's NOT. Tyson's a good offensive player around the basket, sean's not. Sean's a good shot blocker, that's it.</div>

Or, you could actually go and look up each of the rebounding numbers from their rookie years, and notice that they're eerily similar.

IIRC Tyson wasn't even that great of a defender when he game into the league. He had height, that's about it.

I'm not saying Sean can't get to his level (albeit at the PF position), but it's not completely out of the question.
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That's sean's weakness.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div>


yes... stephen jackson!
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Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div>

I agree with you.

IMO i would say more then 60% of the NBA players smoke weed. They just havent gotten caught yet.

I know guys that are f'n pot chimneys, but pass f'n drug tests for jobs.

I think Frank smokes. He is too calm for me and he has to be doing something watching all those video tapes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div>


yes... stephen jackson!
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Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans.
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LOL! dont try that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 25 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div>
yes... stephen jackson!
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Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans.
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LOL! dont try that.
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Try what? I agreed. Still 1 out of what 50+ that have played on the team since 2000.

He may not be the best at evaluating players before they get here, but after working with and studying players up close he sure know when to cut bait.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 25 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div>
yes... stephen jackson!
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Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans.
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LOL! dont try that.
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Try what? I agreed. Still 1 out of what 50+ that have played on the team since 2000.

He may not be the best at evaluating players before they get here, but after working with and studying players up close he sure know when to cut bait.
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I agree with you here, but Thorn already did that with Marcus Williams. If he doesnt pan out by the end of next year, someone would be willing to take him on his potential.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jul 25 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div>

I agree with you.

IMO i would say more then 60% of the NBA players smoke weed. They just havent gotten caught yet.

I know guys that are f'n pot chimneys, but pass f'n drug tests for jobs.

I think Frank smokes. He is too calm for me and he has to be doing something watching all those video tapes.
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I think its more than that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 25 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jul 25 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div>

I agree with you.

IMO i would say more then 60% of the NBA players smoke weed. They just havent gotten caught yet.

I know guys that are f'n pot chimneys, but pass f'n drug tests for jobs.

I think Frank smokes. He is too calm for me and he has to be doing something watching all those video tapes.
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I think its more than that.
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I was actually being reasonable. I think it is more like 80% but didnt want the little flags and dings to go off.
 
Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div>

It's alot easier to dominate a game when you can bring the ball up. Sean needs to be fed the ball and we were clearly trying to get Brook the touches down low. Sean has to box out, hustle, and board. I wouldn't be surprised if he had alot of unfavorable defensive assignments as well.
 
Unless we are using him to get Josh Smith or some player of that caliber/potential I will be very annoyed with our FO if they traded SWAT.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 25 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div>

It's alot easier to dominate a game when you can bring the ball up. Sean needs to be fed the ball and we were clearly trying to get Brook the touches down low. Sean has to box out, hustle, and board. I wouldn't be surprised if he had alot of unfavorable defensive assignments as well.
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Good Point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div>
So now that his value has dropped, we're looking to deal him?
 
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