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3RA1N1AC said:
Oooh like 2 draft picks??!!

BE STILL MY BEATING HEART
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More like 4 or 5 picks, Batum, Matthews and Rolo all could have netted picks. LA would have netted a nice haul. I knew LA was not coming back, so gambling last year was not a risk I would have taken. We went for it and there is nothing wrong with that but because of it we lost several assets for nothing.
 
It's self serving look-at-me rosterbation fantasy.

Coming off the most successful season in a decade, with your star player saying "I want to retire a Blazer!", and high hopes on making a deeper playoff run to the WCF, you trade everyone for draft picks?

Seriously, give me a fucking break. It's pathetic.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
It's self serving look-at-me rosterbation fantasy.

Coming off the most successful season in a decade, with your star player saying "I want to retire a Blazer!", and high hopes on making a deeper playoff run to the WCF, you trade everyone for draft picks?

Seriously, give me a fucking break. It's pathetic.
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We can't get better tomorrow if we don't suck today.

-SlyPokerDog​
 
3RA1N1AC said:
It's self serving look-at-me rosterbation fantasy.

Coming off the most successful season in a decade, with your star player saying "I want to retire a Blazer!", and high hopes on making a deeper playoff run to the WCF, you trade everyone for draft picks?

Seriously, give me a fucking break. It's pathetic.
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You mean your second best player at the time was being coached into saying he wanted to retire a blazer. It was a ploy to attract free agents and we netted a hell of a haul getting Kaman and Blake.

Play it however you want we gambled on that roster and lost badly
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
There are no personal insults allowed here but I realize that people need to vent. So instead of playing dad or a hard ass and telling people to stop insulting each other I will go into a post and substitute the name of the person being insulted with mine.

Many times they will stop insulting people or they will start to vent their anger at me instead of their original target. Either way the forum goes back to talking basketball.
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I didn't need to vent. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to point out "Look at me! Look at me! Look at how right I was!" It demonstrates a pathological insecurity, and I just wanted to point it out.
 
maxiep said:
I didn't need to vent. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to point out "Look at me! Look at me! Look at how right I was!" It demonstrates a pathological insecurity, and I just wanted to point it out.
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Well said
 
maxiep said:
I didn't need to vent. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to point out "Look at me! Look at me! Look at how right I was!" It demonstrates a pathological insecurity, and I just wanted to point it out.
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You could have done that without insulting the guy.
 
cmeese47 said:
We added them seperately I am just referring to what we got in return for those 4 players.
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Wrong. The cap space from those players and Batum trade got the players I mentioned. Do you think we get some Monopoly money to buy the contracts?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/2...t-thank-me-for-my-service.html?referrer=&_r=0
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Dude, the man is stuck in a God forsaken shithole for no valid reason, getting his ass shot at while we sit here fat, dumb and happy, whining about a spoiled, overpaid entertainer who didn't show us the proper love. Brian from Wa is one of our pack (even if he is from WA). His service and sacrifice deserves acknowledgement, especially on this of all holidays. I am a veteran who didn't do d-fucking squat so I don't need a thank you. But guys who have been thrown into harm's way should get one whether they want it or not. Because he is there, we don't have to be. Just sayin'.....
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You could have done that without insulting the guy.
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sorry sly but for some of us fans ,its kind of difficult to take the in your face gloating/of a nariscistic individual whom in past posts has admitted to rooting for the blazers to lose just so his position can be justified and to again gloat and insist that his position/opinion is the only relavent one in any dialogue here on the forum.
 
lawai'a said:
sorry sly but for some of us fans ,its kind of difficult to take the in your face gloating/of a nariscistic individual whom in past posts has admitted to rooting for the blazers to lose just so his position can be justified and to again gloat and insist that his position/opinion is the only relavent one in any dialogue here on the forum.
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Attack what he says, not who you think he is or might be. If you attack what someone says it invites discussion and debate, the cornerstones of a good forum. If you attack someone personally it just causes an insult trading fuck fest and a lot of hard feelings.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Attack what he says, not who you think he is or might be. If you attack what someone says it invites discussion and debate, the cornerstones of a good forum. If you attack someone personally it just causes an insult trading fuck fest and a lot of hard feelings.
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never attacked him
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Dude, the man is stuck in a God forsaken shithole for no valid reason, getting his ass shot at while we sit here fat, dumb and happy, whining about a spoiled, overpaid entertainer who didn't show us the proper love. Brian from Wa is one of our pack (even if he is from WA). His service and sacrifice deserves acknowledgement, especially on this of all holidays. I am a veteran who didn't do d-fucking squat so I don't need a thank you. But guys who have been thrown into harm's way should get one whether they want it or not. Because he is there, we don't have to be. Just sayin'.....
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Not disagreeing. Did you actually read the article? This board or another, this article was in the OT forum..... It was considered controversial. I thought the article was kinda silly, personally. Just another way we're supposed to be PC.
 
cmeese47 said:
I like having low expectations makes it easier to deal with the ups and downs that come with the NBA. I feel bad for people who believed wholeheartedly that we were a title contender last year. We had talent but not the kind of drive it takes to win it all. Now we can all just enjoy watching this team develop and hopefully a few wins a long the way.
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See, I get where you're coming from with the low expectations. However, with me saying he was 100% going to stay... if he left, I still am not hurt. I just believed he was going to stay. I didn't wrap up my feelings in it. I don't know, I felt like clearing that up.
 
Strenuus said:
See, I get where you're coming from with the low expectations. However, with me saying he was 100% going to stay... if he left, I still am not hurt. I just believed he was going to stay. I didn't wrap up my feelings in it. I don't know, I felt like clearing that up.
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I have no problem with you or any other fan taking that stance. What I have issue with is I believe that LA was clearly leaving you could see the tension built up in Quick's article Olshey might have been cocky enough to thank that swinging a deal for Afflalo would have been enough to keep us competitive and by extension keep LA but he was wrong and now we are without 4 starters and in a rebuild. Do we have some decent pieces, yes, but I believe we would be closer had we accumulated assets.

Shit happens we gambled and we lost had LA stayed I would be the one eating crow. Anyways I hope the new team is fun and exciting.
 
cmeese47 said:
I have no problem with you or any other fan taking that stance. What I have issue with is I believe that LA was clearly leaving you could see the tension built up in Quick's article Olshey might have been cocky enough to thank that swinging a deal for Afflalo would have been enough to keep us competitive and by extension keep LA but he was wrong and now we are without 4 starters and in a rebuild. Do we have some decent pieces, yes, but I believe we would be closer had we accumulated assets.

Shit happens we gambled and we lost had LA stayed I would be the one eating crow. Anyways I hope the new team is fun and exciting.
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I'll always be on the stance that if Wes' achilles doesn't get injured, this would all be different. AAA was not brought here to be a starter... Had he been a bench guy like he was supposed to, everything changes.
 
Strenuus said:
I'll always be on the stance that if Wes' achilles doesn't get injured, this would all be different. AAA was not brought here to be a starter... Had he been a bench guy like he was supposed to, everything changes.
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It is possible Matthews was such a key cog but I feel like LA was longing to return to Texas either way but had we been more competitive it might have been a harder decision
 
cmeese47 said:
You only hate the ones you love.
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someone is using convoluted pretzel logic trying to rationalize why no one likes them. Trust me, people are perfectly capable of hating the one's they hate and then expressing that.

STOMP
 
Cmeese, would you advocate for OKC to trade Durant for draft picks right now? They are in a similar situation, and there's certainly been a number of rumors of him walking at the end of his contract to go home to DC. I think it would be insane for them to do that, but they are risking letting him walk for nothing if they don't.

For the record I was never 100% sure on what LMA would do, but I will eat crow because I have strongly disagreed with trading him in the last two years. It was more of a calculated risk as to why I disagreed with trading him.

I think it's extraordinarily difficult to pull yourself up from oblivion once you get there. A lot of it is luck, but a lot of it is by building a strong culture of hard work and dedication. Failing organizations rarely have either of those things, so it's concerning to me to risk it all because the alternative can just as easily be a return to the 2003-2006 blazer nightmare.
 
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Can I turn it around a bit, Voodoo? IF OKC said right now..."we're not sure we can keep Durant, so what's the offer going to be?" I would imagine that teams would be flying out of the woodwork to trade for him. Heck, look what CLE gave up for Love last year. You don't think OKC could command at least that for Durant? We were willing to give up a lot for Greg Monroe last year (not enough for DET, as it turns out). You don't think that Durant could bring back something more than 20M off the cap next year?

I agree that it's difficult to pull yourself out of the hole, and that it takes dedication and (usually) a long time. But to put in all that work and dedication and then see something you've sunk time, energy, other assets--maybe even sacrificing wins or roster improvement--walk away from with nothing in return seems the antithesis of logical.
 
Voodoo said:
Cmeese, would you advocate for OKC to trade Durant for draft picks right now? They are in a similar situation, and there's certainly been a number of rumors of him walking at the end of his contract to go home to DC. I think it would be insane for them to do that, but they are risking letting him walk for nothing if they don't.

For the record I was never 100% sure on what LMA would do, but I will eat crow because I have strongly disagreed with trading him in the last two years. It was more of a calculated risk as to why I disagreed with trading him.

I think it's extraordinarily difficult to pull yourself up from oblivion once you get there. A lot of it is luck, but a lot of it is by building a strong culture of hard work and dedication. Failing organizations rarely have either of those things, so it's concerning to me to risk it all because the alternative can just as easily be a return to the 2003-2006 blazer nightmare.
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Honestly I would trade him for two reasons. One the team is in a terrible market so outside of them winning a title which they are not built for IMO Durant has no reason to stay. The second is by trading Durant your giving the team to Westbrook. That might not make him stay either but at least you can gauge how he reacts and go from there.

A healthy Durant is similar to Lebron he gives almost any team a chance to contend. Is there fair value for him no but if you can swing him for 1 young stud and several picks it's something you have to consider. A deal with Washington could net 3 1sts and 5 years of Bradley Beal that won't be equal value but Beal is a young stud and you get 3 chances to find gold through the draft.

You can essentially do the same thing next season with Westbrook if it looks like he is leaving. Move him for Russel, Randle and picks. You won't be close to contention for a while but you will have a few good young players you control for several years. It is essentially the Oakland A's model for running a small market basketball team.

Additionally, making those moves allows you to make more. Serge Ibaka could be dealt as well bringing in more assets. Now you are looking at 7 or 8 extra picks plus going so young the team is likely to get a high lottery pick, they got Harden, Durant and Westbrook from the draft it is not a stretch that within the 5 year window you control Beal for that they could find another all-star level talent with 12-13 first round picks.

Basically this is the Thunders window to win a title I would suggest that anything less that a competitive loss in the NBA finals and Durant leaves. That is a massive gamble for a team like OKC to take. I bet they roll the dice though and Durant leaves for nothing and then next season they deal Westbrook before he leaves.
 
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