Take pity on Dame and trade him

[Phatguysrule]

Thats likely true. However, had Dame & the rest of the roster been completely healthy this past year I doubt they could have beat many of the Western playoff teams in a series. Maybe Utah, maybe the Pels, but the better teams would have swept them and thats who they'd have been matched up against. Posters are kidding themselves if they think this roster is anywhere in the vicinity of competing for a championship.

Lillard will be 32 next season, how much longer will he be good? He's had a fabulous career and seemingly has some dominance ahead of him. I get why fans want to see him continue on as a Blazer, I just don't see them rising to contender status in the next year or two unless they make major changes that all turn into gold plus hit on all their picks. Thats extremely unlikely. Going forward with this mix likely means getting unceremoniously bounced in round 1 as Dame's career sunsets.

I root for the team over any player. Season after season as they've wasted prime Dame reshuffling their uninspiring mix adding the occasional forward who can't shoot and 6'2 guard who can't defend. I want them to get a GM with some brains and balls to make moves that creates a roster that can compete. Mediocrity as the ceiling just so we can root for a favorite son some more is not a plan I endorse at all.

STOMP

Well, trading Dame isn't going to get us closer to a championship. It will get us further away.

I would rather have a front office willing to take chances working with Dame trying to get a championship than a front office preaching letting the cake bake.

I'm totally fine with swinging for the fences as long as Dame wants to. If we can somehow pair him with an all star forward things could get very interesting for a few years.

I'm in.

 

[STOMP]

If we can somehow pair him with an all star forward things could get very interesting for a few years.

How? Portland has never been a player in Free Agency so forget that avenue. Trade Ant? Though I think moving Dame makes more sense given how far this roster is from competing, I've stated I'm for them exploring that too. I'm also open to them winning the lottery and having that guy exceed expectations from day 1. What I do not want is for them to sit on their hands and expect the SOS to work out. Now watch them resign Nurk to a max deal.

STOMP

 

[Phatguysrule]

How? Portland has never been a player in Free Agency so forget that avenue. Trade Ant? Though I think moving Dame makes more sense given how far this roster is from competing, I've stated I'm for them exploring that too. I'm also open to them winning the lottery and having that guy exceed expectations from day 1. What I do not want is for them to sit on their hands and expect the SOS to work out. Now watch them resign Nurk to a max deal.

STOMP

Don't know how. I never count on free agency. Taking advantage of other teams blowing it up seems to be about the best hope to get great value.

You'll need guys who make good money to make that work.

No way Nurk gets max money, IMO.

 

[Duckhook]

Take pity on us and stop threads like this ..... NEXT

but to offer something on this topic -- If the Blazers do not get back into the playoffs next season then I could see serious Dame trade talk BUT -- I DO NOT trust Cronin to get that trade done at ALL

Regarding starting thread like this is I think OPs like the attention. That's why we'll see a dozen more "Trade Dame" threads (some by the same people) prior to next season here where one will suffice. I'm in the Keep Dame camp as I think he's something special and I'd truthfully be heartbroken if he were to suit up for another team. He openly opines he wants to be in Portland and has embraced the PNW.

 

[STOMP]

Don't know how. I never count on free agency. Taking advantage of other teams blowing it up seems to be about the best hope to get great value.

You'll need guys who make good money to make that work.

They'll need assets that other teams want to make that work, not oft injured overpaid mediocre players which they have in spades. Of course they could package those guys with picks, but thats what they have been doing and here we are. I don't see a quick fix on the horizon.

STOMP

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

1. Dame’s ongoing injuring is fixed, but other teams haven’t seen this pain free Dame for years. When they do, his value goes UP.
2. All other things being equal, trading a year early is far better than a year late. Knowing which year that is being the trick. This year isn’t it. (See above.) And trading Dame is highly unlikely, regardless.
3. The Cowherd interview makes it crystal clear: Dames wants a wing-man — one who is not currently on the team. That’s the plan for Cronin. Even with the Pelican pick becoming the Bucks pick, nothing about that has changed.

The above are simply listing what others have said, implied … and what (IMHO) is a strong likelihood of happening. My only question is, “Which current wing player will the Blazers acquire?” [The likelihood of said player being a draftee is less likely.]

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Herro and Simons would be a deadly backcourt…

If you’re rebuilding *and* trying to sell the team this makes sense. Dame gets to play in Miami and compete for a title - which won’t happen in Portland unless they pull off some miracle trades.

Herro and?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Herro and Simons would be a deadly backcourt…

If you’re rebuilding *and* trying to sell the team this makes sense. Dame gets to play in Miami and compete for a title - which won’t happen in Portland unless they pull off some miracle trades.

Herro and?

That would be the worst defensive backcourt in history

 

[Tince]

Herro and Simons would be a deadly backcourt…

If you’re rebuilding *and* trying to sell the team this makes sense. Dame gets to play in Miami and compete for a title - which won’t happen in Portland unless they pull off some miracle trades.

Herro and?

Herro and Bam and Jimmy and Strauss.

Everytime I read this threads title, I think to myself "no." Dame isn't going to take pitty on Portland when he signs his extension and we shouldn't take pitty on him when he signs it fully knowing we're not a contender.

If you want to make the case trading Dame is better for the organization, fine (I don't agree), but trading him out of pitty is a horrible idea.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Herro and Bam and Jimmy and Strauss.

Everytime I read this threads title, I think to myself "no." Dame isn't going to take pitty on Portland when he signs his extension and we shouldn't take pitty on him when he signs it fully knowing we're not a contender.

If you want to make the case trading Dame is better for the organization, fine (I don't agree), but trading him out of pitty is a horrible idea.

Dame has said he'd be willing to take a pay cut to help Portland make a deal that would make them a contender. It's not about pity. It's about taking what he deserves.

When the team does enough to get us there, and they come to Dame needing to get something done to put us over the top I have no doubt that Dame will get it done.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That would be the worst defensive backcourt in history

What changes? His defense is pretty much on par with Dame’s.

 

[Tince]

Dame has said he'd be willing to take a pay cut to help Portland make a deal that would make them a contender. It's not about pity. It's about taking what he deserves.

When the team does enough to get us there, and they come to Dame needing to get something done to put us over the top I have no doubt that Dame will get it done.

To be clear: I have no issue with Dame taking $50m/year if Portland is willing to give it to him. I take issue with the idea that we should give him pitty for being on a non-contending roster months after he signs a $50m extension.

 

[Tince]

What changes? His defense is pretty much on par with Dame’s.

What changes in a Herro for Dame swap? Portland gets significantly worse.

 

[Phatguysrule]

To be clear: I have no issue with Dame taking $50m/year if Portland is willing to give it to him. I take issue with the idea that we should give him pitty for being on a non-contending roster months after he signs a $50m extension.

Yeah, I'm simply saying Dame taking $50 million isn't going to be the thing that prevents us from contending. He would modify his contract if he had to.

The pity would be if Dame is never given the opportunity to make that choice.

 

[Tince]

Yeah, I'm simply saying Dame taking $50 million isn't going to be the thing that prevents us from contending. He would modify his contract if he had to.

The pity would be if Dame is never given the opportunity to make that choice.

I'm not sure I fully agree with that.

1) Dame making $50m will impact our salary flexibility, especially if we have an owner who is uncomfortable paying the tax.
2) If Dame takes $50m then realizes next summer we need extra salary room to make us a contender, he doesn't have the option to modify his contract.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm not sure I fully agree with that.

1) Dame making $50m will impact our salary flexibility, especially if we have an owner who is uncomfortable paying the tax.
2) If Dame takes $50m then realizes next summer we need extra salary room to make us a contender, he doesn't have the option to modify his contract.

I'm pretty sure a player and team can renegotiate their contract any season if both parties agree to it. Just not from March to July.

 

[Tince]

I'm pretty sure a player and team can renegotiate their contract any season if both parties agree to it. Just not from March to July.

https://cbabreakdown.com/contract-types

RENEGOTIATIONS


Renegotiations are amendments to a contract that increase (and only increase) a player’s salary during the contract’s existing term. If a player renegotiates an increase to his salary, the salary in each remaining season of the contract must also be increased over the original salary. Some of the important rules relating to renegotiations are:

• For each season of the contract after the renegotiation takes place, the player’s additional salary may increase or decrease by up to 8% (instead of 5%) of the increase in salary from the renegotiation season. (The year-over-year decrease is possible as long as the player’s salary in each remaining season of the contract’s existing term is still higher than the original salary.)
  
  
• Limitations on Renegotiations —
  • A contract covering 4 or more seasons may not be renegotiated until the third anniversary of the signing of the contract;
    
    
  • A contract that was already renegotiated to provide for a salary increase of more than 5% or that was already extended may not be renegotiated until the third anniversary of the signing of the original renegotiation or extension; and
    
    
  • A contract may not be renegotiated from March 1 through June 30.

No option for a player to take less money to help his team. So no, Dame can't help Portland out next summer by taking less money so we can sign another free agent to make us a contender.

If he truly wants to maximize our cap flexiblity, he would need to let his current deal run out and then sign for a reduced salary.

 

[Phatguysrule]

https://cbabreakdown.com/contract-types



No option for a player to take less money to help his team. So no, Dame can't help Portland out next summer by taking less money so we can sign another free agent to make us a contender.

If he truly wants to maximize our cap flexiblity, he would need to let his current deal run out and then sign for a reduced salary.

Hmm... It seems like they could allow for a player option in the extension, could they not?

 

[Tince]

Hmm... It seems like they could allow for a player option in the extension, could they not?

A player option to reduce his salary? No, they can't.

The first time Dame could take less money to help Portland is the summer of 2024 if he opts out of his $49m player option. Of course, that would mean he doesn't sign an extension before then. I'm guessing there is near 0% of that happening, making his "I would take less if we could get a star" statement a bit of a reach.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[B-Roy]

If the Gobert deal is any indication, I'm at peace with whatever decision Dame makes.

 

[MickZagger]

https://cbabreakdown.com/contract-types



No option for a player to take less money to help his team. So no, Dame can't help Portland out next summer by taking less money so we can sign another free agent to make us a contender.

If he truly wants to maximize our cap flexiblity, he would need to let his current deal run out and then sign for a reduced salary.

He’s made his money. Now it would depend upon how serious he is about winning or if it’s all just talk.

 

[Mr. Robot]

im loyal until im not

what a prick, trade his ass

 

[MickZagger]

Thats likely true. However, had Dame & the rest of the roster been completely healthy this past year I doubt they could have beat many of the Western playoff teams in a series. Maybe Utah, maybe the Pels, but the better teams would have swept them and thats who they'd have been matched up against. Posters are kidding themselves if they think this roster is anywhere in the vicinity of competing for a championship.

Lillard will be 32 next season, how much longer will he be good? He's had a fabulous career and seemingly has some dominance ahead of him. I get why fans want to see him continue on as a Blazer, I just don't see them rising to contender status in the next year or two unless they make major changes that all turn into gold plus hit on all their picks. Thats extremely unlikely. Going forward with this mix likely means getting unceremoniously bounced in round 1 as Dame's career sunsets.

I root for the team over any player. Season after season they've wasted prime Dame reshuffling their meh mix adding the occasional forward who can't shoot and 6'2 guard who can't defend. I want them to get a GM with some brains and balls to make moves that creates a roster that can compete. Mediocrity as the ceiling just so we can root for a favorite son some more is not a plan I endorse at all.

STOMP

Bingo!

 

[illmatic99]

Smh. He was literally reposting the announcements of every one of our signings yesterday. Would you guys relax.... Not everything he posts is about the team. Sheesh

 

[tykendo]

im loyal until im not

what a prick, trade his ass

He's never been a prick. With that comment, you sure as heck, come off like one.

 

[TBpup]

Smh. He was literally reposting the announcements of every one of our signings yesterday. Would you guys relax.... Not everything he posts is about the team. Sheesh

True....but he knows he has a massive audience and knows what the reaction to something like this will be. He is smart and doesn't just randomly post stuff like this on a whim.

 

[Tince]

He’s made his money. Now it would depend upon how serious he is about winning or if it’s all just talk.

I get it and I'd like to think I'd take a paycut myself. However, I shy away from telling other people they should turn down significant money, even though it's really easy to do.

We haven't even proven if he took a $20m/year paycut we could build a championship team still.

 

[PDXFonz]

I’d be frustrated too if I wanted to compete and kept seeing guys get traded only to be brought back and fail again.

Nothing against GP II, but from Dames perspective I’m wondering…

 

[Tince]

I've made it clear I'm not a big fan of trading Dame in order to contend. Having said that, if Dame wants out and we can get players and 5 first rounds picks (4 unprotected), for him, then I would totally understand.