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I want to see Dame have a shot at a championship. The trouble is, the teams that could really use him (primarily the Lakers and the Clippers) have almost nothing to offer in return. They've already traded away all their picks and good young players. Is there ANY contender that (a) would want Dame and (b) can offer us anything we'd want? I used to think Brooklyn with Ben Simmons, but he really isn't even TRYING to score any more.
 
I want to see Dame have a shot at a championship. The trouble is, the teams that could really use him (primarily the Lakers and the Clippers) have almost nothing to offer in return. They've already traded away all their picks and good young players. Is there ANY contender that (a) would want Dame and (b) can offer us anything we'd want? I used to think Brooklyn with Ben Simmons, but he really isn't even TRYING to score any more.
I'm pretty damn sure Dame is staying. You might want him to win a championship elsewhere but he is still committed to winning one here. You might think you know better than him but that would seem a little silly.
 
only the Lakers would take Dame and give back two picks in 27 and 29. He doesnt want to go evidently.
 
I want to see Dame have a shot at a championship. The trouble is, the teams that could really use him (primarily the Lakers and the Clippers) have almost nothing to offer in return. They've already traded away all their picks and good young players. Is there ANY contender that (a) would want Dame and (b) can offer us anything we'd want? I used to think Brooklyn with Ben Simmons, but he really isn't even TRYING to score any more.
nothing personal Rasta but fuck that.....you don't trade a once in a generation face of the franchise because he MIGHT win a ring somewhere else....Portland doesn't get nice things and when they do, you don't throw them under the bus.
 
nothing personal Rasta but fuck that.....you don't trade a once in a generation face of the franchise because he MIGHT win a ring somewhere else....Portland doesn't get nice things and when they do, you don't throw them under the bus.
(a) It's NOT throwing him under the bus! It's putting him on the bus to title-town!
(b) Sorry to break it to you, but we've had Dame's best (the "nice things") already. Let somebody else have his increasingly expensive and decreasingly great remaining years.
 
(a) It's NOT throwing him under the bus! It's putting him on the bus to title-town!
(b) Sorry to break it to you, but we've had Dame's best (the "nice things") already. Let somebody else have his increasingly expensive and decreasingly great remaining years.
No..it's disrespecting his loyalty and desire to win in Portland and end his career here....it's a fan being butthurt about a guy he doesn't even know my friend...Dame will have great years in Portland...no reason to think he won't unless you've stopped being a Blazer fan....as a fan...I'm never trading this sort of leadership to enhance another team's sucess...fuck that .Dame put up 50...I don't see that as "decreasingly great" Lebron and Duncan were great all through their 30s..Dame will be too...we need to get better by addition not subtraction
 
(a) It's NOT throwing him under the bus! It's putting him on the bus to title-town!

so then you'd obviously be in favor of a trade like:

Dame + Winslow (Winslow because Blazers want to stay under the tax)

for

Westbrook + Lakers 2026 first + Lakers 2028 first

that's about the range of what the Blazers could expect...you'd vote yes, right?


(b) Sorry to break it to you, but we've had Dame's best (the "nice things") already. Let somebody else have his increasingly expensive and decreasingly great remaining years.

ok....I get it. All the stuff about getting Dame a championship elsewhere is phony cover. Dame has given Portland everything he could and he's going to fall off the pace 2-4 years from now....so fuck him
 
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You people complaining are assuming the trade happens against his will. Clear it with him first, then! For all you know he just hates complaining in public but would actually be okay with going to a contender.

Anyway, it's moot, because as I said, there's essentially no overlap between (a) teams that would want him, and (b) teams that have assets we would think close to fair exchange.

The best I can come up with off the top of my head: Miami might do another of their go-for-broke trades and figure that a threesome of Jimmy Butler, Dame and Bam is a contender.
They send Kyle Lowry to us (this is the bad part - he's got a stupid contract for someone so old), and send Tyler Herro to the Spurs. The Spurs (a) have a shitton of cap space, so can absorb Herro's Poison Pill salary, and (b) have a shitton of picks - second only to OKC, who somehow have no capspace, probably because the way they acquired so many picks was eating other people's castoffs and then waiving them.

BUT:
We end up with Lowry's contract, and
Would the Spurs really want Herro?
 
nothing personal Rasta but fuck that.....you don't trade a once in a generation face of the franchise because he MIGHT win a ring somewhere else....Portland doesn't get nice things and when they do, you don't throw them under the bus.

No, apparently you waste their career by putting shit teams around them.
 
No, apparently you waste their career by putting shit teams around them.
Dame' career is hardly wasted in my view but if that Gary Payton ring is incentive to throw away your nest and investments to move an extended family and 3 kids ...then that'll be a choice he makes, not me.. I don't think we've put a shit team around him, I think we've lost 3 important bench players to injury and are having some coaching growing pains at the end of games. My target is on the sophomore coach with the losing record, not the scoring champ of the franchise.
Winning an Olympic gold medal is something that has been the peak of many HOF players who never won rings. Dame's done that now. Being voted top 75 all time is an accomplishment few can brag about.
 
only the Lakers would take Dame and give back two picks in 27 and 29. He doesnt want to go evidently.
No snark intended but do you have a source? Not so much about Dame not wanting to go because I think he's made that pretty clear publicly and to whatever sources the media are using but about the Lakers being the only team interested or at least that being the best package available.
 
of course I don't know for sure. do YOU know for sure dame wants to stay? Of course you don't; maybe he is lying... There was a rumor a few weeks ago about the lakers wanting dame.
This is a forum for opinions. By definition 99.999% of the shit on here is an opinion
 
of course I don't know for sure. do YOU know for sure dame wants to stay? Of course you don't; maybe he is lying... There was a rumor a few weeks ago about the lakers wanting dame.
This is a forum for opinions. By definition 99.999% of the shit on here is an opinion
Like I said, no snark intended. Just wondered if there was a reporter who was sharing their opinion that no one else would give up anything for Dame or more than that Lakers package. You thinking that is the best and maybe only offer out there seems reasonable to me.
 
You people complaining are assuming the trade happens against his will. Clear it with him first, then! For all you know he just hates complaining in public but would actually be okay with going to a contender.

Anyway, it's moot, because as I said, there's essentially no overlap between (a) teams that would want him, and (b) teams that have assets we would think close to fair exchange.

The best I can come up with off the top of my head: Miami might do another of their go-for-broke trades and figure that a threesome of Jimmy Butler, Dame and Bam is a contender.
They send Kyle Lowry to us (this is the bad part - he's got a stupid contract for someone so old), and send Tyler Herro to the Spurs. The Spurs (a) have a shitton of cap space, so can absorb Herro's Poison Pill salary, and (b) have a shitton of picks - second only to OKC, who somehow have no capspace, probably because the way they acquired so many picks was eating other people's castoffs and then waiving them.

BUT:
We end up with Lowry's contract, and
Would the Spurs really want Herro?

You gave up on dame. You can't spin that. :)
 
Like I said, no snark intended. Just wondered if there was a reporter who was sharing their opinion that no one else would give up anything for Dame or more than that Lakers package. You thinking that is the best and maybe only offer out there seems reasonable to me.

This organization just cannot/will not find a way to support Dame and give him a strong supporting cast that fits together. I dunno why.
 
This organization just cannot/will not find a way to support Dame and give him a strong supporting cast that fits together. I dunno why.
I do. Our ownership, probably one of the wealthiest, is worried about staying out of the tax, I guess because the Vulcans need a pristine business model.
Does it really matter?
Spend like a drunken Whitsitt Jody. It's our last hope for Dame.
 
This organization just cannot/will not find a way to support Dame and give him a strong supporting cast that fits together. I dunno why.
If you are going to do the logical thing and learn from history... shit!

I hold onto hope that Cronin reads about what Einstein defines as insanity and can generalize that concept and that he won't let other teams strong arm him just because we're in dire straits otherwise we're all just spending our money for nothing.
 
You gave up on dame. You can't spin that. :)
For 40 years as a Blazer fan I've rooted for the laundry over any player (Go Blazers!) and pretty clearly the current mix is, and has not been, working. Congratulations on continuing to cross your fingers, but whats the definition of insanity?

STOMP
 
This organization just cannot/will not find a way to support Dame and give him a strong supporting cast that fits together. I dunno why.
They pissed away Dame's prime under Olshey and now are in a talent deficit. Every single off season I was flabbergasted with the silly patchwork personnel moves that this board cheered. YEAH! We've got Derrick Jones! Championship here we come! YEAH! We've traded away our future to land... 30 year old Robert F'n Covington! ...and those duds were after the absolute disastrous 2016 when Olshey gave away the farm for Evan Turner and Alan Crabbe. Here's some salt to rub around in that old wound...

Evan Turner said:
“I want to tell that story because when I got the seventy-million, like, no flex, but I remember listening, calling my agent, and my agent is like, ‘Yo, Portland wants to give you seventy. Like, seventy-million.’ I’m like, ‘Seventeen?’ And he was like, ‘No, seventy.’ I’m like, ‘No, seventeen?’ And he’s like, ‘No, like seventeen a year.’ And I’m like, ‘Wait, like dollars?! Seventy-million DOLLARS?!’ You know what I mean? And he’s like, ‘Yeah.’ And I’m like, ‘Damn, bruh, this is wild.’

“So, I called my mom. I said, ‘Mom, I’ma sign to Portland. You got to keep it on the low but it’s going to be for seventy.’ And she’s like, ‘Seventeen?’ And I’m like, ‘No, seventy.’ And she’s like, ‘Seventeen?’ And I’m like, ‘No, like a seven and a D. Seven-D. Seven-D.’ And she just literally said, ‘Oh my God.’ And I’m like, ‘Yeah, we supposed to go to Portland in three days. I just can’t die. I got to get there, sign that paper, and we good.’”

https://www.blazersedge.com/2022/12...e-agent-portland-trail-blazers-video-contract

So here we are in mediocre land as Dame's career begins to sunset. What to do? Admire the sunset and reflect back, or accept reality & plan for tomorrow?

STOMP
 
Here's some salt to rub around in that old wound...
Ouch. So we laugh at Memphis because they signed Chandler Parsons (and he yucks it up on All The Smoke about it) and then we turn around and give the money to Turner.

We signed Turner because he looked great in Boston. Seems to me Josh Hart looks pretty similar to Boston Evan Turner, is on a MUCH smaller contract, and everybody wants to trade him "in case" he leaves for nothing or gets (horrors!) a bigger contract.
 
and everybody wants to trade him "in case" he leaves for nothing or gets (horrors!) a bigger contract.
that's not the only reason at all.

1. we desperately need to add height. he's a SG playing PF on many nights. this is also by design because Chauncey insists on playing Grant against any PG on defense.
2. we have Shaedon who will start to warrant more minutes next year.
3. we (foolishly) signed another SG while hard capping ourselves who also needs minutes and also plays PF while being diminutive.
4. because of our current roster construction, his 12 mil contract is the only one of the only ones we can feasibly trade and get back commensurate (or better) value.

we will miss the intangibles that Hart brings, but on this roster, he is the most obvious trade candidate on the team. if it were up to me, i'd much rather deal Payton, but Cronin/Billups probably value his potential to be a point of attack defender more than i do. and i doubt he has the value that Hart does on the open market.
 
I like Hart a lot, but agree that he's the obvious trade candidate to try to improve the mix of what talent they have to put around Dame. I wanted them the poach Looney not Payton from the W's.

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that's not the only reason at all.

1. we desperately need to add height. he's a SG playing PF on many nights. this is also by design because Chauncey insists on playing Grant against any PG on defense.
So are you suggesting we start Grant at PG once we get our magic PF?

2. we have Shaedon who will start to warrant more minutes next year.
Hope springs a turtle. I see Shaedon as more of a SF. He doesn't have the handle or passing skills to play guard. Unlike Hart.

3. we (foolishly) signed another SG while hard capping ourselves who also needs minutes and also plays PF while being diminutive.
"We signed a worse SG than the one we have, so let's keep the worse guy and trade the better one"

4. because of our current roster construction, his 12 mil contract is the only one of the only ones we can feasibly trade and get back commensurate (or better) value.
But that's the problem, you CAN'T get back commensurate value. Hart is better than his contract.

we will miss the intangibles that Hart brings, but on this roster, he is the most obvious trade candidate on the team.
No he isn't. He's the player another team might want most BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S GOOD (and cheap). The most obvious trade candidate is Anfernee or Damian because they're the two player that duplicate each other and push everybody else out of position. Your position amounts to: "our front office won't do the obvious trade, but I want SOME trade, so Hart makes sense!"
 
So are you suggesting we start Grant at PG once we get our magic PF?


Hope springs a turtle. I see Shaedon as more of a SF. He doesn't have the handle or passing skills to play guard. Unlike Hart.


"We signed a worse SG than the one we have, so let's keep the worse guy and trade the better one"


But that's the problem, you CAN'T get back commensurate value. Hart is better than his contract.


No he isn't. He's the player another team might want most BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S GOOD (and cheap). The most obvious trade candidate is Anfernee or Damian because they're the two player that duplicate each other and push everybody else out of position. Your position amounts to: "our front office won't do the obvious trade, but I want SOME trade, so Hart makes sense!"
I see this as Nurk needs to go but I'm not real educated on the way that all works.
 
No he isn't. He's the player another team might want most BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S GOOD (and cheap). The most obvious trade candidate is Anfernee or Damian because they're the two player that duplicate each other and push everybody else out of position. Your position amounts to: "our front office won't do the obvious trade, but I want SOME trade, so Hart makes sense!"

I don't know why this isn't obvious to everyone. Ant is a really good young player... in fact he reminds me of a young Dame as far as skills, just doesn't have the intangibles. I know that you and I are on the opposite side of this as far as which one we think should go but it is so similar to watching Dame and CJ playing together that it's torture. I just hope Joe can see this and finally put us out of the misery of the two small scoring guards that aren't great defenders especially out of position and only one is a good passer. We've been watching that shit not work for half a decade, can we please try something different?
 
For 40 years as a Blazer fan I've rooted for the laundry over any player (Go Blazers!) and pretty clearly the current mix is, and has not been, working. Congratulations on continuing to cross your fingers, but whats the definition of insanity?

STOMP

You don't think our approach under Joe/Chauncey is different than Neil/Terry?
 
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