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hoopsjock said:
Once again, you can't just decide to tank when you have good players. If they lose all their games because they're bad then they can accomplish the same goal of a tank but that's not tanking. You still haven't answered why Dame and CJ would agree to lose on purpose in the middle of their primes.
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Correct. Tanking isn't asking your players to lose on purpose, it's building a team that has no realistic chance of winning games. We can't do that as long as we have CJ and Dame, we will still win here and there. With our lack of defense it's hard to imagine us going over .500 though, we will probably be a bottom 10 team anyway unless Nurkic returns ahead of schedule.
 
Sarni said:
Correct. Tanking isn't asking your players to lose on purpose, it's building a team that has no realistic chance of winning games. We can't do that as long as we have CJ and Dame, we will still win here and there. With our lack of defense it's hard to imagine us going over .500 though, we will probably be a bottom 10 team anyway unless Nurkic returns ahead of schedule.
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You cannot ask them to lose, but you might choose to not sacrifice any pieces to help them win. This team cannot do much as it is right now. It needs something good in the deadline. You don't do that and here is your top10 pick. Who knows maybe we even hit the jackpot with the new lottery draw setup.
 
Tanking isn't an option with Dame around. Blowing up the team is, though.

And I don't think it'll just be Whiteside made available. It wouldn't surprise me to see CJ, Little and/or Simons shipped. Portland needs to really shake things up, making CJ the obvious target. But it also needs veteran, established talent if we want to get the most out of Dame's peak years.

Other teams who are legitimately tanking and wanting to dump a star aren't going to want CJ.
 
Sarni said:
You could see Houston and Jazz were good teams though, just struggling to make things work at the beginning. Same can't be said about us, we look disjointed, we lack defense and we are honestly just not that good. It seems that defensive edge we lost by letting Harkless and Aminu go was more important than we understood.
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What? Aren’t we struggling to make things work? Those teams were veteran teams that should’ve come out of the gate swinging. Utah was same as us. They had a road heavy schedule and couldn’t win at home. All teams that are losing look bad.
 
tlongII said:
I feel our chance to make the playoffs is so remote that we should tank.
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I'm thinking they are in a tough stretch and they are still tinkering to get things right. They just opened up another roster spot so another pickup could help quite a bit. It's a long season. The games they have played they could easily be .500 at this point.
 
GDiama said:
You cannot ask them to lose, but you might choose to not sacrifice any pieces to help them win. This team cannot do much as it is right now. It needs something good in the deadline. You don't do that and here is your top10 pick. Who knows maybe we even hit the jackpot with the new lottery draw setup.
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Yeah mentioned this in another thread but my fear is trading picks and young players to get Griffin or Love. That'd be tragic.
 
hoopsjock said:
Once again, you can't just decide to tank when you have good players. If they lose all their games because they're bad then they can accomplish the same goal of a tank but that's not tanking. You still haven't answered why Dame and CJ would agree to lose on purpose in the middle of their primes.
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Probably because you never asked that specific question. The answer is "Load Management".
 
Sarni said:
It seems that defensive edge we lost by letting Harkless and Aminu go was more important than we understood.
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I call Bullshit. I say Zach and Nurk being hurt have way more to do with our defensive issues. I don't know why since our slow start everybody here is forgetting that Aminu and Harkless were literally unplayable against Denver
 
tlongII said:
Sure you can. Just like Popovich did in 97. This team is horrible right now. We need to restrict Dame’s minutes to protect him from himself. There won’t be enough time left when Zach and Nurk get back so limit them as well.
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Pop > Stotts....so there is that.

This team has to hide Melo', CJ and Dame for the most part on defense. 55 wins....lol. This team could still make the Playoffs but it will be as a low seed with no HCA and likely be cannon fodder to a large market LA team and another wasted year of Dame's prime. Big picture, if this team is going to make a big step forward to real contender status, this needs to be a reset year.

Develop the heck out of Little, Simons, even Hoard and Moses just to see what you have.
Use Whiteside, Bazemore and even CJ to get legit pieces coming back that are here for the next 2-4 years.
Get a good Lottery pick that can either be an impact right away or that can be used as an asset for another piece.

Nurkic
Collins
OPJ (throwing that in because salary fits with some of our large contracts, in this case CJ) 40% career 3-pt shooter, versatile, long defender.
Hood
Lillard

Simons
Little
Asset from Whiteside trade
Asset from Bazemore trade
Lottery pick/asset obtained
Skal or maybe Brown
Trent Jr if he is not included in a trade
Hoard as a #13-15

That is a very dangerous team with way more defense, better shooting, Simons and Little would have had a year of development and you should be able to get solid pieces out of 3 huge contracts in Hassan, Baze and CJ. It makes Hood more of a mismatch as he moves to the '2'. That roster causes a lot of match up problems for a lot of teams.
 
tlongII said:
It is TIME! We are one of the worst teams in the league now. We might as well go for the gusto and get a top 3 pick. It will make Summer League much more interesting!
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They might not have deliberately tank due to there defense is that bad right now.
 
tlongII said:
Probably because you never asked that specific question. The answer is "Load Management".
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Load management is a way to keep your best players fresher for the playoffs, not an answer for tanking. If you think this team will ask Dame to fake an injury or make him not play if he's not hurt then you don't know anything about your favorite team.
 
Shaboid said:
How have we gotten this far in the thread without the epic Tank GIF?
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...did someone say tank?! :dunno:

blazers-tanking.gif
 
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mook said:
Other teams who are legitimately tanking and wanting to dump a star aren't going to want CJ.
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I disagree....Cleveland or the Knicks need a franchise player even if they lose...something to build around....Spurs are below us in the standings...they'd love CJ ...I don't think Neil moves him but I think half a dozen teams would line up if he was on the block to obtain him...CJ got a lot of love from major sports networks even when he was slumping.
 
Would anyone here do KAT and Teague for Lillard and CJ?

I never checked KAT's advanced stats, but those are ok i might go for it as GM.
 
I know we joke about "tanking", which isn't realistic at this point in the season. But, I really would like to see Dame's minutes limited until Nurkic and Collins get back. I don't want Dame busting his ass trying to make up for the other deficiencies on the team and then shorten his career or be dead for the playoffs anyway.

Right now:
keep Dame under 30 min/game,
keep CJ under 18 shots/game,
Sit Tolliver,
Split C minutes equally between Whiteside and Labissiere,
Let Hood do exactly what he is doing, but at least 12 shots/game,
continue to test Baze and Hezonja until trade time,
make Ant shoot at least 15 shots/game,
give Little as many minutes as possible,
play Hoard, Trent Jr, Brown as you can.
 
Reep said:
I know we joke about "tanking", which isn't realistic at this point in the season. But, I really would like to see Dame's minutes limited until Nurkic and Collins get back. I don't want Dame busting his ass trying to make up for the other deficiencies on the team and then shorten his career or be dead for the playoffs anyway.

Right now:
keep Dame under 30 min/game,
keep CJ under 18 shots/game,
Sit Tolliver,
Split C minutes equally between Whiteside and Labissiere,
Let Hood do exactly what he is doing, but at least 12 shots/game,
continue to test Baze and Hezonja until trade time,
make Ant shoot at least 15 shots/game,
give Little as many minutes as possible,
play Hoard, Trent Jr, Brown as you can.
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Any restrictions on Melo? Not that he would follow them anyway.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Any restrictions on Melo? Not that he would follow them anyway.
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If I'm keeping CJ then I would waive him or give him backup 3/4 minutes to see if he could help the second unit score--but keep his minutes and shot attempts in check. I would prefer just to waive his because I do believe he could provide valuable scoring toward the end of the year, but by that point the team will either be out of the playoffs completely, or will be fighting for 8th seed with Nurkic and Collins back, where I would rather put a defensive 3 next to them--hoping it would be Little.
 
Reep said:
I know we joke about "tanking", which isn't realistic at this point in the season. But, I really would like to see Dame's minutes limited until Nurkic and Collins get back. I don't want Dame busting his ass trying to make up for the other deficiencies on the team and then shorten his career or be dead for the playoffs anyway.

Right now:
keep Dame under 30 min/game,
keep CJ under 18 shots/game,
Sit Tolliver,
Split C minutes equally between Whiteside and Labissiere,
Let Hood do exactly what he is doing, but at least 12 shots/game,
continue to test Baze and Hezonja until trade time,
make Ant shoot at least 15 shots/game,
give Little as many minutes as possible,
play Hoard, Trent Jr, Brown as you can.
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I don't think under 30 minutes is realistic for Dame but the rest of your post is good. The problem is the team still believes it can turn this around so you're never going to convince Dame, Stotts, and probably even Jody given how much money she's paying for this team that this is the answer.

I've been saying every game Dame has played why he has to play the whole 1st and 3rd quarters. Take him out with about 4 minutes to go in each quarter. If the team maintains or builds a lead then you don't even need to bring him back in the 2nd quarter. If they're up by a certain amount or getting their ass kicked in the 4th then you don't have to bring him back either. That probably won't happen very often but even if 1/10 of the games he only plays about 20 minutes it will help keep his overall minutes down.
 
hoopsjock said:
First of all, Dame can't be traded this season and Teague is a free agent after this season anyway.

Second of all, FUCK NO.
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Teague and Dieng would act as fillers.

You cant tank with a 30 years old Lillard. I'm talking about a new chapter.
 
SIeepwalker said:
How is he a good piece to start a rebuild when he shares a position with the best young player we would have left on the roster
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He can play alongside Nurkic and i dont trust Nurk's health even though I love his game.
 
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