TANK! (2 Viewers)

[hoopsjock]

Teague and Dieng would act as fillers.

You cant tank with a 30 years old Lillard. I'm talking about a new chapter.

Dude, understand the cap before you come back at me. I literally told you that Dame can't be traded this season. I'm not saying he won't be traded he physically can NOT be traded for one year after he signed his max extension which is July 2020.

Besides, that trade would be awful and that is putting it as polite as I can.

 

[hoopsjock]

CJ<Teague

You obviously haven't seen Teague play the last 2 seasons. The guy just isn't good anymore.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Dude, understand the cap before you come back at me. I literally told you that Dame can't be traded this season. I'm not saying he won't be traded he physically can NOT be traded for one year after he signed his max extension which is July 2020.

Besides, that trade would be awful and that is putting it as polite as I can.

I understand that part, i wanted to know if you'd do it regardless/if you'd do it in the summer.

You thinking it's awful is because you are not being objective. If we're going to start a rebuild there aren't a ton of young, talented players available.

A few years ago i said that if i were a GM then i would trade McLillard for AD and a bunch of people were furious at me lol. 2 years later AD kicked us out of the playoffs.

Small guards dont usually age well, KAT has room to grow alongside Simons,Little and the draft pick.

 

[hoopsjock]

I understand that part, i i wanted to know if you'd do it regardless/if you'd do it in the summer.

You thinking it's awful is because you are not being objective. If we're going to start a rebuild there aren't a ton of young, talented players available.

A few years ago i said that if i were a GM then i would trade McLillard for AD and a bunch of people were furious at me lol. 2 years later AD kicked us out of the playoffs.

Small guards dont usually age well, KAT has room to grow alongside Simons,Little and the draft pick.

It's awful because it's awful, objectivety aside.

It doesn't work in the summer because Teague will no longer be under contract.

I think almost everyone in here is talking about tanking for just this one season. Surely you can come up with something better than just KAT for Dame and CJ if you're being serious.

And if you think KAT is better than Dame or could lead a team to a championship then I think you should take Dame's picture off your avatar because you don't deserve to use it.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Fuck tanking. It's cowardly. I'd never advocate for it.

 

[noknobs]

Good to see nobody is overreacting.

3 games out of the playoffs with 67 games left and people not only want to tank they want trade Lillard and start over.

They really need another serviceable PF/C though. You can't have Skal as your second best big (likely our best big tonight) and expect to win much. That's just brutal.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

Lillard > KAT
CJ > Teague

what am I missing ?

You should have responded thusly:

“Thank you so much for your trade suggestion. Unfortunately due to significant differences in skill levels as well as the risk of alienating 98.3% of the Blazer fan base, I must respectfully decline engaging in the asinine trade talks you have so eloquently proposed.

Sincerely,

The Trade Janitor”

 

[Blazers Roy]

It's awful because it's awful, objectivety aside.

It doesn't work in the summer because Teague will no longer be under contract.

I think almost everyone in here is talking about tanking for just this one season. Surely you can come up with something better than just KAT for Dame and CJ if you're being serious.

And if you think KAT is better than Dame or could lead a team to a championship then I think you should take Dame's picture off your avatar because you don't deserve to use it.

You took the most annoying approach available.
Of course i like Lillard too blah blah blah. That's why i wrote "IF I WAS THE GM!
I DONT THINK KAT IS BETTER THAN DAME! its just a part of a rebuild process.

Im fine with you pointing out the technicalities, its always possible to tinker with salaries...the discussion was about the idea itself.

Like it or not, in 2-3 years Dame might be in a different place in his career. The Trail Blazers franchise will either lose him for nothing, will be forced to a shitty trade or watch him fade while a slower rebuild will be forced upon them.

And i did say Dame and CJ for AD 3 years ago, for Jokic and Murray 2 years ago, for Kawai 4 years ago. I was hit with that fanboy approach too back then.


We'll see who was right in 2 years my friend.

 

[Reep]

You obviously haven't seen Teague play the last 2 seasons. The guy just isn't good anymore.

I wasn't being serious with that, trying to be funny. In a vacuum CJ is clearly a better player. But, I would not bet money that the Blazers are a better team through 82 games with CJ over Teague. I honestly believe the Blazers would be better with a less offensively talented player next to Dame, as long as that player can play plus defense. Teague used to be like that, but not anymore.

 

[hoopsjock]

You took the most annoying approach available.
Of course i like Lillard too blah blah blah. That's why i wrote "IF I WAS THE GM!
I DONT THINK KAT IS BETTER THAN DAME! its just a part of a rebuild process.

Im fine with you pointing out the technicalities, its always possible to tinker with salaries...the discussion was about the idea itself.

Like it or not, in 2-3 years Dame might be in a different place in his career. The Trail Blazers franchise will either lose him for nothing, will be forced to a shitty trade or watch him fade while a slower rebuild will be forced upon them.

And i did say Dame and CJ for AD 3 years ago, for Jokic and Murray 2 years ago, for Kawai 4 years ago. I was hit with that fanboy approach too back then.


We'll see who was right in 2 years my friend.

What's dumb is anyone can say that about any player. Oh I thought we should've traded Oden for LeBron so I'm so smart! That doesn't mean any of those teams involved would've done that.

AD hasn't accomplished shit and forced his way to LA so you'd be stuck without Dame, CJ, and AD right now.

Dame and CJ beat Jokic and Murray in the playoffs last year and those guys haven't done shit either, even worse for KAT.

There's no way SA would've traded Kawhi before he refused to play with them 2 years ago so you saying you wanted to trade for him 4 years ago doesn't matter one bit.

Most of those guys would've left anyway, meanwhile you have a star that actually wants to stay here but no lets kick him to the curb in his prime because you think the grass is greener.

 

[tlongII]

Tanking is the answer and we’re doing a good job of it.

 

[fumanchu]

A) We've played 5 home games to 11 (soon to be 13) road games.
B) This team has a history of late season rallies.
C) Have yet to see what a Dame, CJ, Melo, Zach, Nurk lineup can do.

This shit aint over.

 

[MARIS61]

This is what happens when you blow up a strong contending team prematurely with no thought to their replacements.
Meyers Leonard and Enes Kanter for Whiteside and Melo appears to have been a disastrous downgrade at both ends of the court.

 

[MARIS61]

A) We've played 5 home games to 11 (soon to be 13) road games.
B) This team has a history of late season rallies.
C) Have yet to see what a Dame, CJ, Melo, Zach, Nurk lineup can do.

This shit aint over.

A) We are 1-4 at home.
B) This team has no history, mostly new guys.
C) Nurk’s career is pretty much over.

Not looking good, could be eliminated from playoff contention by Xmas.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

A) We are 1-4 at home.
B) This team has no history, mostly new guys.
C) Nurk’s career is pretty much over.

Not looking good, could be eliminated from playoff contention by Xmas.

Nurk's career is not over... I have worries about his long term health too, but if they reported the truth, then the break didn't do anything that should have long term effects.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You took the most annoying approach available.
Of course i like Lillard too blah blah blah. That's why i wrote "IF I WAS THE GM!
I DONT THINK KAT IS BETTER THAN DAME! its just a part of a rebuild process.

Im fine with you pointing out the technicalities, its always possible to tinker with salaries...the discussion was about the idea itself.

Like it or not, in 2-3 years Dame might be in a different place in his career. The Trail Blazers franchise will either lose him for nothing, will be forced to a shitty trade or watch him fade while a slower rebuild will be forced upon them.

And i did say Dame and CJ for AD 3 years ago, for Jokic and Murray 2 years ago, for Kawai 4 years ago. I was hit with that fanboy approach too back then.


We'll see who was right in 2 years my friend.

I understand what you're getting at, find a "young star" and rebuild. I think there are a few issues here. We'll throw out contract stuff or assume it's at the end of this year. You'll need to find a team for Dame that is in "win-now mode", because Dame will be getting close to the 30-year mark for a guard, teams that are young and building won't be looking. Teams that are in win-now mode will not be giving you a star in return. They'll be giving you packages closer to what New Orleans and OKC got for AD / PG13. Which may or may not be ok if you're looking to completely rebuild. Also, I think we have something special in Dame, a superstar that loves Portland wants to be here doesn't at all seem like he wants to ask out. Even if this year continues to suck, you have another 3-4 years of his prime to put the right pieces around him.

There may be a few young guys that on paper you'd trade him for, but the other teams wouldn't, and any trade of Dame will be for a long term rebuild.

 

[tlongII]

We’ll be fine. Just take a year off and come back healthy.

 

[Bruno_Sabino]

Delete this

 

[BonesJones]

This is what happens when you blow up a strong contending team prematurely with no thought to their replacements.
Meyers Leonard and Enes Kanter for Whiteside and Melo appears to have been a disastrous downgrade at both ends of the court.

Include Hood in that because we needed to get rid of Kanter to get Hood.

 

[BonesJones]

A) We are 1-4 at home.
B) This team has no history, mostly new guys.
C) Nurk’s career is pretty much over.

Not looking good, could be eliminated from playoff contention by Xmas.

What the fuck? Nurks career is over? Thats such a dumb thing to say...

 

[Blazers Roy]

What's dumb is anyone can say that about any player. Oh I thought we should've traded Oden for LeBron so I'm so smart! That doesn't mean any of those teams involved would've done that.

AD hasn't accomplished shit and forced his way to LA so you'd be stuck without Dame, CJ, and AD right now.

Dame and CJ beat Jokic and Murray in the playoffs last year and those guys haven't done shit either, even worse for KAT.

There's no way SA would've traded Kawhi before he refused to play with them 2 years ago so you saying you wanted to trade for him 4 years ago doesn't matter one bit.

Most of those guys would've left anyway, meanwhile you have a star that actually wants to stay here but no lets kick him to the curb in his prime because you think the grass is greener.

ok ok, everything i say is dumb, everything you say is smart.
Nothing was possible and even if it is - all those player wouldn't stay in Portland because you say so.

Jokic is not better than anyone we have because we beat his young team (that means we should keep CJ too right?)

The Raptors are lucky, if their front office had your mindset they would have never risked the all-star who wanted to finish his career there.

And it's not about the grass is being greener - it's about this team's hourglass about to expire.
I'm not the GM of this team, my job and reputation is not on the line here.

As a fan - why not, i like Lillard and i want to see him play for the Blazers even though i know we can't win a championship with him as our best player. Now where are my likes?

 

[Blazers Roy]

I understand what you're getting at, find a "young star" and rebuild. I think there are a few issues here. We'll throw out contract stuff or assume it's at the end of this year. You'll need to find a team for Dame that is in "win-now mode", because Dame will be getting close to the 30-year mark for a guard, teams that are young and building won't be looking. Teams that are in win-now mode will not be giving you a star in return. They'll be giving you packages closer to what New Orleans and OKC got for AD / PG13. Which may or may not be ok if you're looking to completely rebuild. Also, I think we have something special in Dame, a superstar that loves Portland wants to be here doesn't at all seem like he wants to ask out. Even if this year continues to suck, you have another 3-4 years of his prime to put the right pieces around him.

There may be a few young guys that on paper you'd trade him for, but the other teams wouldn't, and any trade of Dame will be for a long term rebuild.

Thank you for actually understanding the POV i was offering instead of disrespecting me for likes.
I just want to point out the the Pelicans did get Ingram,Hart and Lonzo. The Clippers did get SGA in their package and the Bulls did get the opportunity to pick Donovan Mitchell in exchange for Butler. There are young players switching teams in this trade, this trade i threw out there is over-the-top on purpose - losing KAT for 2 all-star caliber players would be more appealing for them.

Let's ride this out i guess...

 

[stampedehero]

We have not had a Dame with Melo game yet. Got to see that chemistry. If we hit 20 loses and say 8 wins then "tank" would certainly be a "fan option". Do NBA players want that?

 

[TBpup]

Now #6 in the Lottery. For the vast majority historically, to have a snowballs chance in hell, you need to have at least HCA advantage going into the Playoffs to be a true contender. That means Portland would have to jump 10 teams between now and the end of the season which includes 3 teams that so far have over double the winning percentage the Blazers currently have.

Impossible? No....but extremely unlikely given this roster and the injuries. The Clippers are currently the #4 team and are on pace for ~55 wins. They just got Paul George back so it seems very possible that winning percentage might even increase. So to pass the Clips to get into the top 4 and secure HCA, Portland would have to go 50-16 the rest of the season. Anyone see that happing? (Okay, anyone in their right mind? )

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Thank you for actually understanding the POV i was offering instead of disrespecting me for likes.
I just want to point out the the Pelicans did get Ingram,Hart and Lonzo. The Clippers did get SGA in their package and the Bulls did get the opportunity to pick Donovan Mitchell in exchange for Butler. There are young players switching teams in this trade, this trade i threw out there is over-the-top on purpose - losing KAT for 2 all-star caliber players would be more appealing for them.

Let's ride this out i guess...

Thats true those teams did receive players, but they were all young and for the most part unproven especially when compared to the stars they were being traded for. I wouldnt trade Dame unless he asked to be traded, thats my opinion. He’s going to hold most of the Blazer all time records by the time he’s done, even if last year was as far as they go, Id be good with it.

 

[Stumptown14]

The time to do that was when Luka Doncic was in the draft

Does any body remember all the crap the league and the media gave Mark Cuban a couple years ago for admitting early on in the season that they were tanking for a high lottery pick. That landed them Luka in the draft and an injured Porzingas via a lopsided trade. Now the two of them together look scary good and are going to be playoff contenders for years to come. I'm not saying that it's right or that i agree with tanking but as a small market team to make a big step forward sometimes that means losing some games and hoping to win the lottery. Otherwise you could be stuck in mediocrity forever. Just ask Mark Cuban how tanking a season worked out for him.

 

[tlongII]

We're tanking now. It doesn't matter that Dame would be against it. Our team is so bad Dame can't save us.

 

[Cugel]

welcome to Portland Ball family. we love you Lavar

 

[Reep]

welcome to Portland Ball family. we love you Lavar

No Balls. [take that as you wish].

 

[hoopsjock]

ok ok, everything i say is dumb, everything you say is smart.
Nothing was possible and even if it is - all those player wouldn't stay in Portland because you say so.

Jokic is not better than anyone we have because we beat his young team (that means we should keep CJ too right?)

The Raptors are lucky, if their front office had your mindset they would have never risked the all-star who wanted to finish his career there.

And it's not about the grass is being greener - it's about this team's hourglass about to expire.
I'm not the GM of this team, my job and reputation is not on the line here.

As a fan - why not, i like Lillard and i want to see him play for the Blazers even though i know we can't win a championship with him as our best player. Now where are my likes?

1) I never called you dumb. I said the idea that someone thought we should trade for a star player several years ago is dumb to bring up now like it has relevance. I respect your posts.

2) I have no idea what you are talking about with getting likes. I have never made a post with an inkling of thought as to doing so only to get likes. I couldn't care less how many likes I have.

3) On a previous forum there was a guy who for years claimed we could've traded Aldridge and Batum for Harden and Ibaka before Harden was traded to Houston. He'd bring it up every time in a conversation like this to prove how smart of a GM he'd be. Well that trade would've been impossible at the time he claims it was available and besides that the Thunder only wanted to trade Harden to get out of paying all four of Harden, Ibaka, Durant, and Westbrook. They wouldn't have traded him for two other players that got paid huge contracts. I know the CBA and know what's realistic and what's not. For example, if you say you would've traded Dame for Kawhi in the summer of 2018 when he was traded to Toronto then fine. I can think that would be stupid but you're welcome to your opinion on that. However, if you say you wanted to trade Dame for Kawhi 4 years ago (which you did) then that isn't a realistic opinion.