Taurean Prince? Rumor

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yuyuza1 said:
We can replace Lin with Bazemore and take out Simons.

So it would be ET and our pick for Baze + Prince. That any better? Not really sure why ATL would do that.
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I don't see them interested in sending Bazemore. You add a better player in the deal from them and take away one of the better pieces for them.
 
We need insurance for Moe as well, that's probably what is driving this more than anything.

I don't want him landing in OKC. Their wing spot was kinda lacking, but if they land Prince, they can move PG down a slot and run a lineup of Russ-PG-Prince-Grant-Adams that would be a nightmare to stop or score against.
 
Found this excerpt from an interview with their GM over on the Hawks' forum: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=71740024#p71740024

The Athletic: Taurean (Prince) has been out for a few weeks now, but when he was healthy, he was near the bottom of the league in assist-to-turnover ratio. We’ve seen ball movement is a priority for you on offense. How do you see him fitting into the team when he does get back, not only this season but moving forward?
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Schlenk: I think Taurean came into the year with a great summer of working out. We had to deal with a lot of young players coming in and having to learn a new system. He was trying to learn on the fly. One of the things that he’s been able to do (since his injury) is have a better idea of what Lloyd is looking for.

The past few days, Lloyd has been working with him personally.

Taurean is getting closer. Hopefully, in the next seven to 10 days, he’ll be back. We’re just excited to get him back out there. Again, just because it was two months, that’s a really short time to have strong opinions about someone.



The Athletic: Did you feel, when he was healthy, and from looking at the stats, it looks like his defense regressed a bit. What did you see out of him on that end?
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Schlenk: It wasn’t just Taurean. We weren’t a very good defensive team for those first two months. Everyone’s numbers were down. You can’t just look at the box scores for this. One of the things about Taurean, when we drafted him, was because of his defense. He has it in him to be a good defensive player. Maybe we have to redirect the focus there a little bit, but again, I don’t have any concerns about him. Taurean is one of the best catch-and-shoot players in this league. He’s a valuable commodity and has the ability to be a very good defensive player. As he gets accustomed to a new defensive system and understand what Lloyd is trying to accomplish in a team setting — I’m not worried about Taurean at all.
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yuyuza1 said:
We need insurance for Moe as well, that's probably what is driving this more than anything.

I don't want him landing in OKC. Their wing spot was kinda lacking, but if they land Prince, they can move PG down a slot and run a lineup of Russ-PG-Prince-Grant-Adams that would be a nightmare to stop or score against.
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I'm really hoping that the interest in Lin (if true) is because we're ready to move on from Turner's role and contract.
 
If Atlanta isn't willing to add salary for more picks that is where Sacramento could come into play. Send ET and our 1st to Sacramento. Atlanta gets Swanigan, Labissiere, and one of Sacramento's expiring deals like Randolph. Blazers get Lin and Prince?
 
yuyuza1 said:
How so? I think it's actually a pretty good deal. Lin is a better backup PG than Turner and we shed a year off his salary in the summer. And Price would be our mainstay SF of the future still on a rookie deal.

Hell, we'd be players for the full MLE in the summer as @hoopsjock et al have been pushing.
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Why does Atlanta take on a huge salary for an extra year? They could likely get a as good of a deal for Prince without Linn attached and then let Linn expire. If they wanted Turners huge contract they could save money by signing Prince.
 
CupWizier said:
Why does Atlanta take on a huge salary for an extra year? They could likely get a as good of a deal for Prince without Linn attached and then let Linn expire. If they wanted Turners huge contract they could save money by signing Prince.
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I'm not sure what Atlanta's mindset is. They've certainly made some weird moves since last season. If I had to guess I would think that they aren't going to be major free agent players this summer but could load up on more draft picks and then by the summer of 2020 you could have a super young talented roster with tons of cap space since everyone would be expired or on rookie deals.
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm not sure what Atlanta's mindset is. They've certainly made some weird moves since last season. If I had to guess I would think that they aren't going to be major free agent players this summer but could load up on more draft picks and then by the summer of 2020 you could have a super young talented roster with tons of cap space since everyone would be expired or on rookie deals.
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I know you are aware of this, but another angle would be to get below the cap and rather than sign a free agent, search out a team that is in the luxury tax to acquire a player with little to nothing in return.
 
CupWizier said:
I know you are aware of this, but another angle would be to get below the cap and rather than sign a free agent, search out a team that is in the luxury tax to acquire a player with little to nothing in return.
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Even with Turner added to the mix, they could have as much as $29 million in cap space. Factoring in their draft picks still puts them well below the cap. It just comes down to whether or not they'd rather have another 1st round pick and push their cap space into 2020 or if they really need like $40 million in cap space this summer. As long as Bazemore and Plumlee are on their books next year I would guess that they'd be fine punting a year for more young talent, but that is just a guess.
 
Prince should go to the Wolves or Kings....imagine how many purple Prince jerseys they would sell! Probably the Wolves since no Prince wants to be surrounded by Kings.
 
Prince definitely would be up grade in our small forward position. Especially with Harkless knee problem.
 
hoopsjock said:
Even with Turner added to the mix, they could have as much as $29 million in cap space. Factoring in their draft picks still puts them well below the cap. It just comes down to whether or not they'd rather have another 1st round pick and push their cap space into 2020 or if they really need like $40 million in cap space this summer. As long as Bazemore and Plumlee are on their books next year I would guess that they'd be fine punting a year for more young talent, but that is just a guess.
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Their GM said as much: They're definitely playing the long game, as they should.

7. He's not looking to acquire anymore 2019 picks (we have 5, 2 1s and 3 2nds). He did make a good point on 2nd rounders which I didn't think about - they usually sign a 2 year deal, if they outplay the contract you have no bird rights and you are limited in what you can pay them, some other team can swoop in and nab them.

9. He wants future 1sts, so 2020 and beyond.
10. He always wants to have assest and financial flexibility.
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riverman said:
Prince should go to the Wolves or Kings....imagine how many purple Prince jerseys they would sell! Probably the Wolves since no Prince wants to be surrounded by Kings.
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Imagine how many Chinese all-star votes Dame would get if we landed Lin!
 
I love studying other team's situations cap wise. I know what I think doesn't matter but if I was the GM of the Hawks I'm absolutely looking to add picks for contracts as long as they end in 2020.

Assuming they trade Prince, this is what their books look like for the summer of 2020:

Total guaranteed Salary of just $15,459,302 with...
John Collins
Trae Young
Kevin Huerter
Omari Spellman

Plus add in their 1st round pick in 2019 (currently 5th), Dallas 2019 1st (currently 10th), and 3 2nd rounders (currently 35th, 41st, and 48th). Then their 1st rounder in 2020 which will likely be another lottery pick. They have the Cavs 1st rounder this year or next year but it's top-10 protected so they might not get it. Factoring in these draft picks lets say that adds about $20 or so million to their cap in 2020 then that leaves them in the summer of 2020 with a loaded roster of rookie deal talent (still stupid of them to trade Doncic but that can't be changed) and only about $36 million for about 10 players. The cap is expected to be $118 million so that would be about $80 million in pure legit cap space with all those young players for what should be an up and coming team at that point. Other than the Doncic mess up, that is a near perfect rebuild set up.
 
hoopsjock said:
I love studying other team's situations cap wise. I know what I think doesn't matter but if I was the GM of the Hawks I'm absolutely looking to add picks for contracts as long as they end in 2020.

Assuming they trade Prince, this is what their books look like for the summer of 2020:

Total guaranteed Salary of just $15,459,302 with...
John Collins
Trae Young
Kevin Huerter
Omari Spellman

Plus add in their 1st round pick in 2019 (currently 5th), Dallas 2019 1st (currently 10th), and 3 2nd rounders (currently 35th, 41st, and 48th). Then their 1st rounder in 2020 which will likely be another lottery pick. They have the Cavs 1st rounder this year or next year but it's top-10 protected so they might not get it. Factoring in these draft picks lets say that adds about $20 or so million to their cap in 2020 then that leaves them in the summer of 2020 with a loaded roster of rookie deal talent (still stupid of them to trade Doncic but that can't be changed) and only about $36 million for about 10 players. The cap is expected to be $118 million so that would be about $80 million in pure legit cap space with all those young players for what should be an up and coming team at that point. Other than the Doncic mess up, that is a near perfect rebuild set up.
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Yup, I viewed them as a perfect place to dump a contract. I just don’t know if Olshey would seriously consider trading Turner considering where we are in the playoff race. Fans might not like him but he’s a big part of what they do, and is an influence in the locker room. Meyers and now maybe even Moe (especially if we’re getting Prince) could be options though.
 
Scalma said:
Yup, I viewed them as a perfect place to dump a contract. I just don’t know if Olshey would seriously consider trading Turner considering where we are in the playoff race. Fans might not like him but he’s a big part of what they do, and is an influence in the locker room. Meyers and now maybe even Moe (especially if we’re getting Prince) could be options though.
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I'm worried that Moe's knee would make him impossible to trade this season.
 
Dreaming if Moe was able to be traded despite his knee injury...

Sacramento gets Harkless, 2019 2nd round pick from Atlanta (worse of their 3)

Atlanta gets Meyers, Swanigan, and a future 1st from Portland (lottery protected)

Portland gets Prince, Lin, and Koufos

We dump a ton of money this summer while adding Prince for next year and getting two vets to help us this year. I could definitely get behind something like this.
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm worried that Moe's knee would make him impossible to trade this season.
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I wouldn't trade him this season for that reason and also that I think he's a great bench SF for the future..I have no problem keeping Mo through his current contract....there are other guys who have gained trade value this season that could bring in a player. Teams will balk at Mo...unless they are the Knicks...I'd love to build this team keeping Mo and Chief with the second unit.
 
yuyuza1 said:
If we wasn't hurt, we'd probably keep him.
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True, but the last few years with the Blazers every player traded away was made because of cap reasons. Switching Moe for Prince is almost an $8 million difference for next season plus if they add a vet like Lin that could help the 2nd unit this year it is definitely something they'd consider.
 
Scalma said:
Yup, I viewed them as a perfect place to dump a contract. I just don’t know if Olshey would seriously consider trading Turner considering where we are in the playoff race. Fans might not like him but he’s a big part of what they do, and is an influence in the locker room. Meyers and now maybe even Moe (especially if we’re getting Prince) could be options though.
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I can't gauge how much he means for the locker room; not sure that's a big factor with Dame around

his measurables on the court are not good when compared to the team. 9th in PER; 11th in winshares/48; 9th in box plus/minus; 9th in value over replacement; and a defensive rating worse than the team. He may appear to have a bigger impact because he has the ball in his hands so much. Lin could replace that though

but, you may be right about Olshey's POV though.
 
yuyuza1 said:
The other thing is that he's actually about 5 months older than Nurk, so I'm not sure there is much room for improvement. ATL is a wing factory so he might not be much better than he is now.
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Wouldn't this indicate the exact opposite of what you said?

He's only 25...
 
wizenheimer said:
I can't gauge how much he means for the locker room; not sure that's a big factor with Dame around

his measurables on the court are not good when compared to the team. 9th in PER; 11th in winshares/48; 9th in box plus/minus; 9th in value over replacement; and a defensive rating worse than the team. He may appear to have a bigger impact because he has the ball in his hands so much. Lin could replace that though

but, you may be right about Olshey's POV though.
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Yeah I know he can be replaced and I don’t care too much about the locker room stuff, but I’m trying to look at it through that morons eyes.
 
dviss1 said:
Wouldn't this indicate the exact opposite of what you said?

He's only 25...
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That's pretty old for a guy in only his third year in the league. Dame is one of the exceptions, but players usually peak by then. No contradictions.
 
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