Taurean Prince? Rumor (2 Viewers)

[hoopsjock]

Im just going to assume Swanigan has zero trade value, but yes I would trade him first.

Maybe one of the games in summer league when we played Atlanta their GM took a liking to Swanigan! They probably wouldn't want Baldwin because then Trae Young would sit out every practice.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/1/...portland-trail-blazers-draft-picks-jeremy-lin

 

[hoopsjock]

https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/1/...portland-trail-blazers-draft-picks-jeremy-lin

I'm a little biased but I think the people of this forum have done a much better job of hashing out these rumors than Dave or Blazersedge does.

 

[BBert]

Trent and Swanigan for Prince! Too good to be true most likely.

Haha

 

[jlprk]

I'm basically just talking in circles at this point... it seems like you're then packing in a lot of bodies...And it's a lot of mediocre bodies at the SF position, with none being head and shoulders above the other...Is that any better than we are now?

That's what I was thinking. Prince is a Stotts-style player. But lacking the talent to make a consolidation trade, Olshey runs in circles year after year, adding players with middle-level potential, coaching them to improve, then giving them away. He never catches the cheese. Study this article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamster_wheel

 

[jlprk]

Sorry for rambling and going nowhere with all of that

No problem; it's inevitable. When you describe Olshey's one step forward, one step backward, you have to talk in circles. (That's an LSD-type geometric insight.)

 

[wizenheimer]

(That's an LSD-type geometric insight.)

 

[Scalma]

Another reason Prince makes sense? His contract. Considering the uncertainty surrounding ownership, it’d make sense to target someone that wouldn’t require taking on any real money. There should be more clarity in a year when his contract expires, and it also lines up with the expirings of Turner, Moe, and Meyers. Then if they wanted to blow it up, they could do that. If they wanted to pay him, they could also do that.

 

[Scalma]

Since I think a first for Prince is an overpay, how about we add Swanigan (and Baldwin or Stauskas) to it, with the pick? Makes the deal a lot more cost effective and opens up a roster spot.

 

[BonesJones]

Since I think a first for Prince is an overpay, how about we add Swanigan (and Baldwin or Stauskas) to it, with the pick? Makes the deal a lot more cost effective and opens up a roster spot.

We could also take back their early 2nd round pick (which would be at 35 right now). They also have 2nd round picks at 47 and 48. Maybe we could get on of those?

Essentially, Swanigan, Baldwin and a 1st for Prince, #35, & #47.

 

[hoopsjock]

This would have to wait until the day before the deadline but I've seen Bucks fans very interested in getting Dedmon this year...

Bucks get Dedmon and Swanigan

Hawks get Turner, Jason Smith, Stauskas, a 2019 Portland 1st (lottery protected or a future protected one if they prefer), and a 2020 Milwaukee 2nd round pick (via Washington)

Blazers get Jeremy Lin, Thon Maker, and Prince

 

[BigGameDamian]

I feel like we can do better.

Jeremy Lin would bring a bigger fan base and that might mean more all star votes.

 

[Sarni]

Since I think a first for Prince is an overpay, how about we add Swanigan (and Baldwin or Stauskas) to it, with the pick? Makes the deal a lot more cost effective and opens up a roster spot.

Our first this year for Prince is not an overpay at all. We aren’t going to get a player as good as him where we are likely to be drafting (which will be in 20s again).

We need to add a player for salaries to work.

 

[hoopsjock]

Our first this year for Prince is not an overpay at all. We aren’t going to get a player as good as him where we are likely to be drafting (which will be in 20s again).

We need to add a player for salaries to work.

Technically we could use our Trade Exception and waive someone. I really like the idea of getting Prince and dumping salary though.

 

[Sarni]

Technically we could use our Trade Exception and waive someone. I really like the idea of getting Prince and dumping salary though.

If we could get Atlanta to take some of our contracts it would be perfect but Prince alone is worth our first, we would need to give them more to take on Meyers, Turner or Harkless.

Why are Atlanta even considering letting Prince go?

 

[RR7]

If we could get Atlanta to take some of our contracts it would be perfect but Prince alone is worth our first, we would need to give them more to take on Meyers, Turner or Harkless.

Why are Atlanta even considering letting Prince go?

Because they don't want him as a starter, and would get to the point of having to overpay soon. Like many have mentioned, best to cash in now, instead of dealing with next year.

They have 2 picks this year, I imagine they prefer one later, and I don't want to be tied up in the distance. Hesitant to offer 2020 for him. Start with baldwin and swanigan for him.

 

[hoopsjock]

Of course each team values taking on salary differently, but if we use the recent Bucks/Cavs trade as a barometer the Bucks basically dumped $20 million in contracts next year on the Cavs for a future lottery protected 1st. Plus they got back George Hill who can actually help them this season too.

To me that is about equal to giving Atlanta Turner, Swanigan, and a 1st for Lin and Prince. If we're going to give up a 1st we might as well clean up our books a little bit this summer too.

 

[BonesJones]

4-team trade that gets players that make sense for all teams, IMO. Who says no?

POR GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
ATL GETS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / S. Johnson / 2019 POR 1st* / 2019 DET 2nd / Cash from MIL
DET GETS: S. Curry
MIL GETS: D. Dedmon, D. Hamilton

*Lottery Protected

PORTLAND SENDS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / S. Curry / 2019 POR 1st
PORTLAND GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
PORTLAND SAVES: Apx. $8.0M (Gets under Luxury Tax)
- Gets rotation upgrades in Lin and Prince, and a vet in Carter while getting under the luxury tax. Clears $26M in salary for next season as well. Cuts Baldwin or Swanigan.

Lillard (36) / Lin (12)
McCollum (35) / Lin (13)
Prince (30) / Layman (18)
Aminu (30) / Harkless (18)
Nurkic (32) / Collins (18)

ATLANTA SENDS: J. Lin / T. Prince / D. Dedmon / V. Carter / D. Hamilton
ATLANTA GETS: E. Turner / S. Johnson / M. Leonard / 2019 POR 1st / 2019 DET 2nd / Cash from MIL

- Atlanta gets a young former lotto pick in Johnson who might need a fresh start, as well as a future 1st round pick. They might need a little more, but they have Turner and Leonard lined up to expire with Bazemore, and they add their third 1st and fourth 2nd in this upcoming draft which could help them trade up. This helps them tank as well.

DETROIT SENDS: S. Johnson, 2019 DET 2nd
DETROIT GETS: S. Curry

- Detroit needs some help at the guard spots, and could definitely use more shooting. With them pushing for the playoffs, they would likely swap out the ineffective Johnson and a 2nd for a lethal shooter at the guard spot.

MILWAUKEE SENDS: J. Smith, Cash
MILWAUKEE GETS: D. Dedmon, W. Baldwin IV

- Milwaukee upgrades their C spot without giving up anything of value.

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The only team I could see saying "no" is Atlanta. But that's not a bad haul at all for them.

 

[BonesJones]

Of course each team values taking on salary differently, but if we use the recent Bucks/Cavs trade as a barometer the Bucks basically dumped $20 million in contracts next year on the Cavs for a future lottery protected 1st. Plus they got back George Hill who can actually help them this season too.

To me that is about equal to giving Atlanta Turner, Swanigan, and a 1st for Lin and Prince. If we're going to give up a 1st we might as well clean up our books a little bit this summer too.

How about we clean up our books this year as well? (Look above)

 

[hoopsjock]

4-team trade that gets players that make sense for all teams, IMO. Who says no?

POR GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
ATL GETS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / S. Johnson / 2019 POR 1st* / 2019 DET 2nd / Cash from MIL
DET GETS: S. Curry
MIL GETS: D. Dedmon, D. Hamilton

*Lottery Protected

PORTLAND SENDS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / S. Curry / 2019 POR 1st
PORTLAND GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
PORTLAND SAVES: Apx. $8.0M (Gets under Luxury Tax)
- Gets rotation upgrades in Lin and Prince, and a vet in Carter while getting under the luxury tax. Clears $26M in salary for next season as well. Cuts Baldwin or Swanigan.

Lillard (36) / Lin (12)
McCollum (35) / Lin (13)
Prince (30) / Layman (18)
Aminu (30) / Harkless (18)
Nurkic (32) / Leonard (15) / Collins (3)

ATLANTA SENDS: J. Lin / T. Prince / D. Dedmon / V. Carter / D. Hamilton
ATLANTA GETS: E. Turner / S. Johnson / M. Leonard / 2019 POR 1st / 2019 DET 2nd / Cash from MIL

- Atlanta gets a young former lotto pick in Johnson who might need a fresh start, as well as a future 1st round pick. They might need a little more, but they have Turner and Harkless lined up to expire with Bazemore, and they add their third 1st and fourth 2nd in this upcoming draft which could help them trade up. This helps them tank as well.

DETROIT SENDS: S. Johnson, 2019 DET 2nd
DETROIT GETS: S. Curry

- Detroit needs some help at the guard spots, and could definitely use more shooting. With them pushing for the playoffs, they would likely swap out the ineffective Johnson and a 2nd for a lethal shooter at the guard spot.

MILWAUKEE SENDS: J. Smith, Cash
MILWAUKEE GETS: D. Dedmon, W. Baldwin IV

- Milwaukee upgrades their C spot without giving up anything of value.

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The only team I could see saying "no" is Atlanta. But that's not a bad haul at all for them.

Atlanta says no to that.

Edit: You keep changing it so it's all messed up anyway.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

4-team trade that gets players that make sense for all teams, IMO. Who says no?

POR GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
ATL GETS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / S. Johnson / 2019 POR 1st* / 2019 DET 2nd / Cash from MIL
DET GETS: S. Curry
MIL GETS: D. Dedmon, D. Hamilton

*Lottery Protected

PORTLAND SENDS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / S. Curry / 2019 POR 1st
PORTLAND GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
PORTLAND SAVES: Apx. $8.0M (Gets under Luxury Tax)
- Gets rotation upgrades in Lin and Prince, and a vet in Carter while getting under the luxury tax. Clears $26M in salary for next season as well. Cuts Baldwin or Swanigan.

Lillard (36) / Lin (12)
McCollum (35) / Lin (13)
Prince (30) / Layman (18)
Aminu (30) / Harkless (18)
Nurkic (32) / Leonard (15) / Collins (3)

ATLANTA SENDS: J. Lin / T. Prince / D. Dedmon / V. Carter / D. Hamilton
ATLANTA GETS: E. Turner / S. Johnson / M. Leonard / 2019 POR 1st / 2019 DET 2nd / Cash from MIL

- Atlanta gets a young former lotto pick in Johnson who might need a fresh start, as well as a future 1st round pick. They might need a little more, but they have Turner and Harkless lined up to expire with Bazemore, and they add their third 1st and fourth 2nd in this upcoming draft which could help them trade up. This helps them tank as well.

DETROIT SENDS: S. Johnson, 2019 DET 2nd
DETROIT GETS: S. Curry

- Detroit needs some help at the guard spots, and could definitely use more shooting. With them pushing for the playoffs, they would likely swap out the ineffective Johnson and a 2nd for a lethal shooter at the guard spot.

MILWAUKEE SENDS: J. Smith, Cash
MILWAUKEE GETS: D. Dedmon, W. Baldwin IV

- Milwaukee upgrades their C spot without giving up anything of value.

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The only team I could see saying "no" is Atlanta. But that's not a bad haul at all for them.

I'm not sure if ATL does that, but I could see the argument in favor of it for all the teams.

 

[BonesJones]

Atlanta says no to that.

Edit: You keep changing it so it's all messed up anyway.

Literally only swapped Harkless for Leonard. And that's basically what you're proposing to Atlanta anyway.

 

[hoopsjock]

Literally only swapped Harkless for Leonard. And that's basically what you're proposing to Atlanta anyway.

You had both of them in the rotation though and Detroit getting different players. In my trade above where they get Stauskas and Jason Smith both are expiring so Turner is the only one they're taking on for next year.

 

[hoopsjock]

So I asked Bucks fans if they'd trade Thon Maker and Jason Smith for Dedmon and Swanigan and the only response back I've gotten is "Yes instantly".

BTW, I was wrong about having to wait to execute the trade (Jason Smith can't be combined with anyone until Feb 6th). Dedmon for Smith straight up works so from Milwaukee's end they could split it up into two trades Smith for Dedmon and Maker for Swanigan.

 

[BonesJones]

You had both of them in the rotation though and Detroit getting different players. In my trade above where they get Stauskas and Jason Smith both are expiring so Turner is the only one they're taking on for next year.

Yeah I forgot to fix the rotation. Should be 100% correct now. I think that's a great trade.

I think Atlanta would value Meyers Leonard and Stanley Johnson as much as Stauskas and Smith. They'd need a C to replace Dedmon and could see what they have in Leonard. Johnson is a young player they'd probably like to take a chance at and see if they could get something out of him Detroit didn't. They're unlikely to use up all their cap space next summer so a $10M hit from Leonard doesn't matter too much.

 

[BonesJones]

So I asked Bucks fans if they'd trade Thon Maker and Jason Smith for Dedmon and Swanigan and the only response back I've gotten is "Yes instantly".

BTW, I was wrong about having to wait to execute the trade (Jason Smith can't be combined with anyone until Feb 6th). Dedmon for Smith straight up works so from Milwaukee's end they could split it up into two trades Smith for Dedmon and Maker for Swanigan.

And if that's the case, have Maker going to Atlanta. They'd definitely do that trade then:

ORL GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
ATL GETS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / T. Maker / S. Johnson / 2019 POR 1st / 2019 DET 2nd
DET GETS: S. Curry
MIL GETS: D. Dedmon, J. Anderson

Smith is under $6.3M so can be used to match salary at 175%+100K ($5.5M x 1.75 + 100K = $9.725M)
Dedmon + Anderson = $9.716M < $9.725M, so Smith matches Dedmon and Anderson by himself, so they can trade Maker to since he's not need to match salary.

I think Atlanta would definitely do that.

 

[TBpup]

Thon Maker was originally a Blazer draft prospect of interest.....FWIW.

 

[Scalma]

Our first this year for Prince is not an overpay at all. We aren’t going to get a player as good as him where we are likely to be drafting (which will be in 20s again).

We need to add a player for salaries to work.

Define “good.” Look at the players that have fetched firsts. They’re all better than Prince. Numbers suggest Prince is a below average starter, above average bench player. He falls in that Oubre/Harkless category where your buying what he theoretically could become rather than what he actually is.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

And if that's the case, have Maker going to Atlanta. They'd definitely do that trade then:

ORL GETS: J. Lin / T. Prince / V. Carter / J. Smith
ATL GETS: E. Turner / M. Leonard / T. Maker / S. Johnson / 2019 POR 1st / 2019 DET 2nd
DET GETS: S. Curry
MIL GETS: D. Dedmon, J. Anderson

Smith is under $6.3M so can be used to match salary at 175%+100K ($5.5M x 1.75 + 100K = $9.725M)
Dedmon + Anderson = $9.716M < $9.725M, so Smith matches Dedmon and Anderson by himself, so they can trade Maker to since he's not need to match salary.

I think Atlanta would definitely do that.

I think they may do it for the Draft picks, but I think they are mainly hoping for really young players and hoping to hit in the draft. You’re probably more dialed into ATL than I am, thats kind of just my perspective from very far away.

I m not sure ML or ET would fit their vision of trying to build a young talent base around Young and JCollins. I could be wrong completely about what their plans are.

 

[BonesJones]

I think they may do it for the Draft picks, but I think they are mainly hoping for really young players and hoping to hit in the draft. You’re probably more dialed into ATL than I am, thats kind of just my perspective from very far away.

I m not sure ML or ET would fit their vision of trying to build a young talent base around Young and JCollins. I could be wrong completely about what their plans are.

They'd get two young players to gamble on in Maker and Johnson as well as a 1st and a 2nd. Pretty good haul for Prince and two expiring veteran role players.

They have Bazemore as a bad contract expiring at the same time as Leonard and Turner. They're not going to be players in free agency. Obviously, they probably don't want those contracts but I don't think it's really going to affect them.