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Obviously not the time for trade talk, but after the Stephen Jackson talk in the Batum thread and Prince's name being brought up a lot, i thought this was an interesting nugget

There is a growing sense around the league, according to NBA front-office sources, that either Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince will be dealt before the league's annual trading deadline in February. Hamilton's name has come up often, given that Detroit's backcourt also features two other prominent scoring guards in Rodney Stuckey and free-agent signee Ben Gordon.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4602452&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

I don't know about you guys, but aside from Gerald Wallace or Caron Bulter, he is one of my biggest choices to upgrade the 3.
 
santeesioux said:
Obviously not the time for trade talk, but after the Stephen Jackson talk in the Batum thread and Prince's name being brought up a lot, i thought this was an interesting nugget



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4602452&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

I don't know about you guys, but aside from Gerald Wallace or Caron Bulter, he is one of my biggest choices to upgrade the 3.
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You have to look at that very seriously if he is available. He can defend, he is very efficient, he is almost a point forward in capabilities, but he doesn't demand too many shots. He has championship experience. What else can you ask for?
 
hasoos said:
You have to look at that very seriously if he is available. He can defend, he is very efficient, he is almost a point forward in capabilities, but he doesn't demand too many shots. He has championship experience. What else can you ask for?
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a 1st round pick with it? ;)
 
hasoos said:
You have to look at that very seriously if he is available. He can defend, he is very efficient, he is almost a point forward in capabilities, but he doesn't demand too many shots. He has championship experience. What else can you ask for?
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I would give up Blakey and one of TO or Webs along with a 1st rounder!
 
santeesioux said:
I would give up Blakey and one of TO or Webs along with a 1st rounder!
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I'd love for it to be either Outlaw/Bayless or Outlaw/Blake/1st, either way I think we'd be set to compete really hard this year for a championship and our IQ would raise a ton (with the net effect of losing Outlaw and getting Prince).
 
shamelessblazer said:
I'd love for it to be either Outlaw/Bayless or Outlaw/Blake/1st, either way I think we'd be set to compete really hard this year for a championship and our IQ would raise a ton (with the net effect of losing Outlaw and getting Prince).
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I like Outlaw and Blake for Prince. Maybe throw in Dante Cunningham as well...oh and maybe Mediocore Man too. :devilwink:
 
Jayps15 said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yghuxx4

Something like that would fix pretty much everything IMO, basically WCF or bust at that point.
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Fixes everything except eliminates our backup SF and backup PG. Adds an overpaid backup PF.

Miller/Rudy/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Prince/Roy/Rudy
Aldridge/Maxiell
Oden/Przybilla

Still going to be a really good lineup, but it puts a lot of minutes, IMO, on Roy. Rudy is experiencing back problems in the preseason. If he goes down, which is a decent possibility, we have nobody on the bench to backup the 1, 2, or 3 outside of Bayless. Ouch.
 
I WOULD have liked this a couple of years ago, but it just seems to me that Tayshaun's production has fallen off a cliff. Show me some recent stats that make him better than sub-average for his position. Go on--that's a challenge!

We all believe that one day Batum will be Prince-like. I think that they passed each other going in opposite directions sometime this Summer.
 
Jayps15 said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yghuxx4

Something like that would fix pretty much everything IMO, basically WCF or bust at that point.
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Looks good don't forget about Batum in the depth chart. I really like Maxiell as a hustle backup PF... One thing to remember is that Prince doesn't score as much as Outlaw so we will need to be sure that Rudy is ready to pick up his scoring into the high teen's.

Miller/Rudy/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Prince/Batum/Rudy
Aldridge/Maxiell
Oden/Przybilla
 
santeesioux said:
Obviously not the time for trade talk, but after the Stephen Jackson talk in the Batum thread and Prince's name being brought up a lot, i thought this was an interesting nugget



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4602452&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

I don't know about you guys, but aside from Gerald Wallace or Caron Bulter, he is one of my biggest choices to upgrade the 3.
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Your post inspired me. Why not move S-jax for Golden State, unload salary for Detroit and get Prince for Portland and only give up Blake, Przybilla, Outlaw and a rookie?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzz5mgkhttp://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzz5mgk

PG Miller/Bayless/Roy
SG Roy/Rudy/Martell
SF Prince/Martell/Roy
PF LMA/Wright/Turiaf/Howard
C Oden/Turiaf/LMA

You are essentially trading Przybilla (likely leaving after next season due to $$$) and Blake for Prince (I think that's fair) and Outlaw and Dante Cunningham + Cash and picks for Wright and Turiaf.

Not sure any party would go for it, but I like it. I'm sure I'll be crucified for hypothetically trading Przybilla again.
 
Prince used to be appealing. He seems to be losing a step.

I mean, last years playoffs he was atrocious!

3.8 PPG
1.3 RPG
26% from three
20% from the field
32.3 MPG

I'd pass.
 
Yeah.. I'd pass on Prince as well. I do wonder though if Battier could be had for cheap with Houston going in the tank. He'd be nice to come in off the bench as a defensive stopper.
 
15 PER last year, 110 DRTG, 2.5 DWS (Martell's was 1.7 in his last healthy season, just for comparison)

Shoots threes about as well as Batum and Webster so far. But he is 7 years older than Webster and 9 years older than Batum.
 
I am NOT saying Webster is better than Prince, just to clarify. I know he is not.
 
Prince is most valuable on very good teams. He played poorly because he was forced to step up and contribute after Sheed and Billups left. Just like Ariza, he's not meant to be a focal point of any offense. So that's why I think he'd be perfect here. Tayshaun is another of of those guys that does many things that don't show up on the statsheet and has high basketball IQ.
 
Prince and Battier are both nice role-players, as is Ariza. I generally have no problem with adding quality players, even if it is surplus at a position, but my problem with all three of them is that they aren't enough of an upgrade on Batum, if at all, to be worth trading away significant players at other positions. Granted, Batum's not available right now, but it seems reactionary to make a major trade to cover for a player who will quite possibly be back mid-season.

If Houston or Detroit would accept Outlaw or Webster for Prince or Battier, then I'd be all for it. Move one small forward for another that fits better and when Batum returns and if he develops as I think he will, then Prince or Battier can slide into the backup slot that Webster or Outlaw would have occupied. But I doubt Prince or Battier could be had for that low a price.

If Portland is going to make a major move at small forward, I'd rather they aimed for a clear upgrade...someone who's well above Batum now and can expect to be better than Batum for at least a few years. Someone like Caron Butler or Gerald Wallace.
 
I would have to agree. They're not worth upgrading for because Batum is still very young and has lots of upside, possibly more than we know, and he fits out championship window. I can see a trade being made for Tayshaun for a team that needs to "win now".
 
If we're trading for a wing then it had better be a guy at the Caron Butler/Gerald Wallace level of player and not these guys who have shown themselves to be losing a step and not a clear upgrade over any of the wings we currently have.
 
Prince would really help our second team, playing with Andre Miller. As long as he doesn't bother Roy, nested in his narcissistic cocoon.
 
jlprk said:
Prince would really help our second team, playing with Andre Miller. As long as he doesn't bother Roy, nested in his narcissistic cocoon.
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LMAO, damn tell us what you really think about Roy. I mean we're adults here, don't sugar coat it!
 
Caron Butler is suspiciously Rudy Gay-esque (volume scorer, little else). Does he play defense?

Wallace seems to be an obsession here. He's injury prone and a not-too-great shooter. Is his defense worth much? He's one of those guys who gets played at PF because he lacks the ball skills for SF. Can't say I'm enthused. Where are the young Scottie Pippens? (Besides Batum, of course...)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Caron Butler is suspiciously Rudy Gay-esque (volume scorer, little else). Does he play defense?
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Butler also has a strong Assist Rate (that is, percentage of possessions he uses that end in an assist) for a small forward. He scores, passes and rebounds a bit. I haven't watched tons of his games, but when I have seen him, he seemed a passable defender. I would say he's significantly better and more well-rounded than Rudy Gay.

Wallace seems to be an obsession here. He's injury prone and a not-too-great shooter. Is his defense worth much? He's one of those guys who gets played at PF because he lacks the ball skills for SF. Can't say I'm enthused.
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Gerald Wallace may not be much of a shooter, but he's a very good slasher, which is why he's a reasonably efficient scorer despite his lack of shooting skills. He gets played at power forward a lot because he's strong and defensively versatile and Charlotte lacks good big men, not because he lacks ball-handling skills. He's very good at handling the ball and attacking the rim. He's not the passer that Butler is, but he rebounds a bit better and is an excellent defender.
 
Minstrel said:
Butler also has a strong Assist Rate (that is, percentage of possessions he uses that end in an assist) for a small forward. He scores, passes and rebounds a bit. I haven't watched tons of his games, but when I have seen him, he seemed a passable defender. I would say he's significantly better and more well-rounded than Rudy Gay.



Gerald Wallace may not be much of a shooter, but he's a very good slasher, which is why he's a reasonably efficient scorer despite his lack of shooting skills. He gets played at power forward a lot because he's strong and defensively versatile and Charlotte lacks good big men, not because he lacks ball-handling skills. He's very good at handling the ball and attacking the rim. He's not the passer that Butler is, but he rebounds a bit better and is an excellent defender.
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Butler tends to defend a lot more when he knows he actually has a chance to win. You could tell after a while last year Washington was just wishing their dreadful season would end without injury.
 
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