Teams blowin' it up

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Who are the teams blowin' it up?

Orlando probably will....JJ Redick would be a nice target later near the trade deadline.

:MARIS61:

Mavs are another one now that they've lost out on Deron and are losing Kidd probably.

 

[PapaG]

Atlanta already is in the process.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

After Hibbert: target a SG!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Atlanta already is in the process.

Horford is the only one available but I think they only trade for an ending contract, which we don't really have.

 

[PapaG]

I'm a bit surprised the Spurs are giving it one last chance with their current team, but I suppose they really don't have an option because of the contracts of Parker, Manu, and Duncan.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If he's not dealt with D12, I wouldn't mind J-rich either.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If he's not dealt with D12, I wouldn't mind J-rich either.

Gross.

 

[PapaG]

Horford is the only one available but I think they only trade for an ending contract, which we don't really have.

If the Blazers don't get Hibbert and don't match Batum, that leaves more than enough cap space to absorb Horford's contract for something as simple as cash or a future 2nd-round pick. Not sure if that still works under the new CBA, but there have been trades like that in the past for teams blowing things up and dealing a player to a team with cap space to burn.

 

[RR7]

I don't see Atlanta totally blowing it up. I think they go forward with Smith and Horford. If you get a chance to dump a deal like Johnson's, on a team stuck in neutral, you have to take it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If the Blazers don't get Hibbert and don't match Batum, that leaves more than enough cap space to absorb Horford's contract for something as simple as cash or a future 2nd-round pick. Not sure if that still works under the new CBA, but there have been trades like that in the past for teams blowing things up and dealing a player to a team with cap space to burn.

Yeah, they would be in tank mode all next season to get a lotto pick so they'd probably want crappy players.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't see Atlanta totally blowing it up. I think they go forward with Smith and Horford. If you get a chance to dump a deal like Johnson's, on a team stuck in neutral, you have to take it.

uhh...they'll have space next year to offer CP3 and D12 max contracts I believe. Smith would stay on because he is good friends with D12. Horford, just eats away at the available cap room. they should trade for an unprotected first round draft pick for next year or the year after from a projected shit team.

:MARIS61:

lets see...Horford + Smith...
or

Lotto pick + CP3 + D12 + Smith.

 

[PapaG]

I don't see Atlanta totally blowing it up. I think they go forward with Smith and Horford. If you get a chance to dump a deal like Johnson's, on a team stuck in neutral, you have to take it.

Atlanta just got rid of their leading scorer and got a bunch of scrubs in return. Contract aside, there is no way that team is better right now than it was with Joe Johnson on the roster.

 

[Haakzilla]

After Hibbert: target a SG!

...why not Brandon Rush?! We can finally get him back

 

[RR7]

uhh...they'll have space next year to offer CP3 and D12 max contracts I believe. Smith would stay on because he is good friends with D12. Horford, just eats away at the available cap room. they should trade for an unprotected first round draft pick for next year or the year after from a projected shit team.

:MARIS61:

lets see...Horford + Smith...
or

Lotto pick + CP3 + D12 + Smith.

bird in the hand. They can easily trade Horford for pure cap space, I am sure teams would love to take him. You don't make that deal now, and hope maybe next season, CP3 and Dwight sign. You do it next offseason when you get commitment from them. Or, you use Horford to trade for Dwight now. Thinking we can get him for cap space is ridiculous.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah, they would be in tank mode all next season to get a lotto pick so they'd probably want crappy players.

They could sign a bunch of 1-year players. The real question is whether Josh Smith would go along with such an obvious tank job. If he has a 'friendly' agreement from Howard, and Howard reached out to Paul, I could see those three together in Hotlanta. It's not a great basketball town, but it's a great city to live in, and as we've seen elsewhere, winning with superstar players brings out fans like nothing else does.

 

[RR7]

Atlanta just got rid of their leading scorer and got a bunch of scrubs in return. Contract aside, there is no way that team is better right now than it was with Joe Johnson on the roster.

I didn't say the team on the floor will be better. I just said I don't think they're blowing it up in that they're willing to dump Horford or Smith. They moved 2 bad contracts. Most in their situation would, especially for expirings and a 1st. I am not saying they will be better, just that they're not going into trade everyone for cap space mode.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

bird in the hand. They can easily trade Horford for pure cap space, I am sure teams would love to take him. You don't make that deal now, and hope maybe next season, CP3 and Dwight sign. You do it next offseason when you get commitment from them. Or, you use Horford to trade for Dwight now. Thinking we can get him for cap space is ridiculous.

yeah, which is why i said previously we don't have the assets to get it done really. its already been blown up. there is one attractive asset in horford available but i don't think we have what it would take to get it.

 

[PapaG]

bird in the hand. They can easily trade Horford for pure cap space, I am sure teams would love to take him. You don't make that deal now, and hope maybe next season, CP3 and Dwight sign. You do it next offseason when you get commitment from them. Or, you use Horford to trade for Dwight now. Thinking we can get him for cap space is ridiculous.

I don't disagree with that, but I was just pointing out it as a possibility. Plus, the worse Atlanta is this year, the better their chances to add a great lottery pick to a potential core of Paul/Howard/Josh Smith/maybe even Teague. Horford and Smith make Atlanta a likely playoff team as a low seed even without Johnson. Smith and a bunch of scrubs is a lottery team, probably a Top 4-5 pick.

 

[RR7]

yeah, which is why i said previously we don't have the assets to get it done really.

you said ending contract, we have cap space, which is better. I think there's no chanc in hell, on a favorable deal, they'd move Horford for expirings or cap space.

 

[RR7]

sure, a possibilty. Trading for Dwight and signing deron was a possibility as well.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

you said ending contract, we have cap space, which is better. I think there's no chanc in hell, on a favorable deal, they'd move Horford for expirings or cap space.

Atlanta would need the cap space NEXT summer. sure they could have that and save it, but why when they can get future draft picks to go with a potential superteam.

 

[PapaG]

Atlanta would need the cap space NEXT summer. sure they could have that and save it, but why when they can get future draft picks to go with a potential superteam.

...and be much worse next year without Horford, meaning a likely Top 5 pick as opposed to either low-lottery or out of the lottery.

If you're going to tank, just fucking tank now while teams have cap space and unload a big contract to a team with the space to absorb it.

That won't happen, but it's not like it wouldn't be a more effective way to improve a lottery pick for next season. In terms of tanking, it makes complete sense. NYK did basically the same thing during the LeBron Sweepstakes.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

they should just sign a bunch of AND1 ballers to get people in attendance.

 

[PapaG]

they should just sign a bunch of AND1 ballers to get people in attendance.

Da Professor would add an extra 3000 white kids alone a night.

It's an interesting marketing strategy, being serious, though. We're going to save up money for summer 2013 (you can't name players, but Smith can name players), and although we may suck next year, we're going to play a brand of basketball that will be up and down the court, and will be the closest thing to Paul Westhead/LMU that the NBA has seen since Paul Westhead flamed out in Denver.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

shit would be dope. or basically have a bunch of scrubs feed J-smooth all day everyday so he averages 40ppg.

 

[PapaG]

shit would be dope. or basically have a bunch of scrubs feed J-smooth all day everyday so he averages 40ppg.

The more likely scenario would be a Howard/Horford-and-filler trade after Howard signs the 5-year max, though.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Maybe the Mavs don't blow it up. They sign Nash + Roy...do kind of a swan song for Dirk and Nash...get a few more old guys and they are the Celtics-West.

 

[PapaG]

Maybe the Mavs don't blow it up. They sign Nash + Roy...do kind of a swan song for Dirk and Nash...get a few more old guys and they are the Celtics-West.

I'd love to watch that team play, but the defense would be absolutely horrendous.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

well they will stockpile old guys. Marcus Camby anyone? hah

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Horford is the only one available but I think they only trade for an ending contract, which we don't really have.

We have cap space. If they want people on one-year-contracts, they can sign them into the cap space that we give them.