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So it is well noted that the best way to get a guy in a trade for cheap is watching the organization they play for crumble and blow it up. These teams are usually looking to shed salaries and bring in picks/young cheap contracts.

The Blazers, with the addition of Nurkic, are mostly looking to shore up the role players and bench, but another star would be nice for sure.

So of the teams with these types of players, is there anyone specifically you think NO should chase?

Clips will blow it up after they get ousted by Utah.
Can we/Do we want/get Griffin? Is there anyone on their bench we should be looking at?

Toronto made trades this year to try to compete with Cleveland, but ended up dropping down to the 6th spot.
There is a good chance if they don't get out of the second round, they will be looking to make moves. Is there anyone on their roster we should go after?


Can anyone else think of any teams that are more than likely looking to make major changes/blow things up this off season? If so, who on those teams would you target?

I think I might go after Maurice Speights might be a perfect backup for Nurk on a good salary. I would target him from the clips.


How about Bruno Cabloco from Toronto? young Cheap and pretty impressive Per. Might not contribute big right away, but has decent potential.


Thoughts? Discuss?

remember, this is only for teams that we believe will be blowing it up. If the team is on the hunt to win, they they dot belong in this discussion. (Toronto is iffy, I know, but they have gotten worse as the years has gone buy, they must have real concerns about whether their roster can contend as constructed I think)
 
NY Knicks are another one. Lts of discussion about Melo and Porzingis, but are there anty less caliber, role player types on that roster we could benefit from?

Kuzminskas?
Hernangomez?
 
I would say any team looking to replace 2 of their 5 starters would be on the blowing up list.

So yes, the Blazers will be blowing up their roster.
 
Orion Bailey said:
NY Knicks are another one. Lts of discussion about Melo and Porzingis, but are there anty less caliber, role player types on that roster we could benefit from?

Kuzminskas?
Hernangomez?
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I don't think they will be shedding any of the younger guys. I am still hoping Chicago will be eliminated sooner than later and consider blowing it up.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I don't think they will be shedding any of the younger guys. I am still hoping Chicago will be eliminated sooner than later and consider blowing it up.
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I almost listed them because their season has been less than they wanted, but after taking game one and if they go deep ion to the playoffs, i'm not sure they do alot.
 
Griffin will be a free agent, so I dont see how we could get him.
 
God. I said Griffin? sorry I meant Paul Pierce. The money works and a vet with a ring on the bench.
 
Caboclo is a bust. He's not even good in the D- League.

I still wonder if Millsap could be attainable if Atlanta ever looks to do a true youth movement, but he's likely going to be a free agent. Marvin Williams is another veteran PF that might get moved after the Hornets had a pretty mediocre season.

Then there's Faried, but I am pretty sure that Denver won't be making any more deals with us for awhile
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
I would say any team looking to replace 2 of their 5 starters would be on the blowing up list.

So yes, the Blazers will be blowing up their roster.
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I hope we blow it up by getting rid of Meyers, Crabbe, and Turner. :)
 
Memphis.

LAC.

I could even see Toronto making some moves. I don't think that team is good enough to contend.

Pistons are perpetually a shitshow.
 
I really hope Charlotte blows it up while it's unlikely for anyone to trade for Batum with such a bad contract. I think getting Marvin would be great if we are in kind of win now situation!

And if there is any way we get Stanley Johnson I'd love it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Toronto made trades this year to try to compete with Cleveland, but ended up dropping down to the 6th spot.
There is a good chance if they don't get out of the second round, they will be looking to make moves. Is there anyone on their roster we should go after?
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Toronto got the third seed, not the sixth seed. They finished with the same record as the Cavaliers.

They'll face the Cavaliers in the second round (assuming they don't blow it in the first round, as they've begun to do). I think if they lose in the first round or have an uncompetitive series with Cleveland, they may let Lowry depart in free agency (it would be hard to commit in excess of $100M to two players for a core that can't contend) and try to retool.

If they play Cleveland close (or beat Cleveland, of course) I think they'll stick with this core.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I would say any team looking to replace 2 of their 5 starters would be on the blowing up list.

So yes, the Blazers will be blowing up their roster.
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That's one way to improve: try to get two starters and move Hark/Vonleh to the bench... it shores up the bench well, and gives us to players better than Hark/Vonleh.

But you're not doing that without trading CJ and, well, we're not trading CJ.
 
Whichever of George and Butler is available will go to Boston. If they get George, they will target Griffin in free agency. If they get Butler, they will target Hayward and free agency and try to move assets for Porzingis. They will be the ones in control of which star moves IMO.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
But you're not doing that without trading CJ and, well, we're not trading CJ.
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You don't know that! You don't know......

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Been toying around with the idea of Joakim Noah's contract in NY. Clearly that was a decision they regret. Basketball-reference has him making $17.765M next year. Meyers is set to make $9.9M and Mo is set to make $9.6 so that gets us pretty close...

Would taking his bad contract be worth maybe swapping Memphis' pick with theirs at 7?

Hard to imagine he's so run down that he couldn't at least provide a couple decent minutes off the bench, at least at Meyers' level of productivity. 7 and 15 could potentially allow us to be bigger players in acquiring more of a star-caliber player or moving up for a guy like Josh Jackson (who feels like the ideal fit, to me).

Just a thought...
 
Natebishop3 said:
I know that you're a massive CJ fan.... but if they dealt him for Butler or George or Porzingis you would be unhappy?
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A bit yeah because the point is to get better! Only Butler out of that list excites me any.

http://bkref.com/tiny/7Ex0a

Comparing all four players this season; CJ is right there with George and better than Porzingis right now. Butler is markedly better, but after CJ's playoff performance...? I really really don't want to trade our best player.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
A bit yeah because the point is to get better! Only Butler out of that list excites me any.
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My reasoning has always been this:

We have an abundance of shooting guards (Crabbe, Turner, Connaughton (maybe???)

We don't have a really solid small forward or power forward. If we can cash in CJ for a star caliber player at SF or PF, we can slide one of those other schlubs into the starting lineup. So basically my opinion is:

Dame
Crabbe
Butler or George
Vonleh
Nurk

Is better than

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Vonleh
Nurk

Or even more importantly, I think that Crabbe would be the more reliable option if I'm relying on one of Crabbe/Harkless/Vonleh to contribute. Long term Harkless and Vonleh might have a higher ceiling than Crabbe, but they're both still so raw. I think Crabbe could step into the starting lineup and put up 15-16 ppg no problem. His FG% and his 3pt% have improved markedly this season. If we could add a legit star player like Butler or George, to pair with Dame and Nurk, I think we're a top 3 or 4 team in the west next season.
 
Natebishop3 said:
My reasoning has always been this:

We have an abundance of shooting guards (Crabbe, Turner, Connaughton (maybe???)

We don't have a really solid small forward or power forward. If we can cash in CJ for a star caliber player at SF or PF, we can slide one of those other schlubs into the starting lineup. So basically my opinion is:

Dame
Crabbe
Butler or George
Vonleh
Nurk

Is better than

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Vonleh
Nurk

Or even more importantly, I think that Crabbe would be the more reliable option if I'm relying on one of Crabbe/Harkless/Vonleh to contribute. Long term Harkless and Vonleh might have a higher ceiling than Crabbe, but they're both still so raw. I think Crabbe could step into the starting lineup and put up 15-16 ppg no problem. His FG% and his 3pt% have improved markedly this season. If we could add a legit star player like Butler or George, to pair with Dame and Nurk, I think we're a top 3 or 4 team in the west next season.
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Trade our 3 draft picks for the #4 pick.

Trade the #4 pick and CJ for the #1 pick.

Trade the #1 pick for Lebron.

Profit.
 
Natebishop3 said:
My reasoning has always been this:

We have an abundance of shooting guards (Crabbe, Turner, Connaughton (maybe???)

We don't have a really solid small forward or power forward. If we can cash in CJ for a star caliber player at SF or PF, we can slide one of those other schlubs into the starting lineup. So basically my opinion is:

Dame
Crabbe
Butler or George
Vonleh
Nurk

Is better than

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Vonleh
Nurk

Or even more importantly, I think that Crabbe would be the more reliable option if I'm relying on one of Crabbe/Harkless/Vonleh to contribute. Long term Harkless and Vonleh might have a higher ceiling than Crabbe, but they're both still so raw. I think Crabbe could step into the starting lineup and put up 15-16 ppg no problem. His FG% and his 3pt% have improved markedly this season. If we could add a legit star player like Butler or George, to pair with Dame and Nurk, I think we're a top 3 or 4 team in the west next season.
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Maybe... I just feel like Crabbe is the SG version of Steve Blake... really good at the one thing he's good at, but not super exciting to me.
 
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