Teams that will be blowing it up this off season

[Natebishop3]

Maybe... I just feel like Crabbe is the SG version of Steve Blake... really good at the one thing he's good at, but not super exciting to me.

He's definitely not exciting..... but neither is Danny Green. We need Crabbe to be our Danny Green. We need him to shoot threes and spread the floor. He can be our Dennis Scott.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

He's definitely not exciting..... but neither is Danny Green. We need Crabbe to be our Danny Green. We need him to shoot threes and spread the floor. He can be our Dennis Scott.

Yeah, I bluster about losing CJ, but I can see where he might be a person that a very bold GM would trade. I'd be VERY upset though, and might have two favorite teams for a while.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah, I bluster about losing CJ, but I can see where he might be a person that a very bold GM would trade. I'd be VERY upset though, and might have two favorite teams for a while.

The thing is, the main argument in favor of trading CJ for someone like Butler or George is that Dame and CJ's mutual defensive liabilities make them an untenable backcourt pairing for a prospective contender. However, if CJ is beginning to turn the corner defensively (as is suggested by his performance in game 1), then that argument may not hold water for long. A bold GM should consider trading a talented offensive player for a comparably talented offensive player who is also vastly superior defensively. But where CJ is concerned, that may not be the case much longer.

Long story short; I'd be upset too.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, I bluster about losing CJ, but I can see where he might be a person that a very bold GM would trade. I'd be VERY upset though, and might have two favorite teams for a while.

I really like CJ, and it would be tough to see him go somewhere else and thrive, which is why it would be crucial that if he is traded, it's for someone that isn't gonna LaMarcus' us. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we traded for George and he left after one year? I would actually lean towards trying to pry Porzingis away from New York because at least you'd have him for 6 years. Trade for Porzingis and then try to find a decent small forward in trade.

It would be interesting to see if Charlotte would trade Batum for Harkless/Davis/pick.

Dame
Crabbe
Batum
Porzingis
Nurk

 

[Orion Bailey]

Memphis.

LAC.

I could even see Toronto making some moves. I don't think that team is good enough to contend.

Pistons are perpetually a shitshow.

Who from them would help us that we can afford?

Toronto got the third seed, not the sixth seed. They finished with the same record as the Cavaliers.

They'll face the Cavaliers in the second round (assuming they don't blow it in the first round, as they've begun to do). I think if they lose in the first round or have an uncompetitive series with Cleveland, they may let Lowry depart in free agency (it would be hard to commit in excess of $100M to two players for a core that can't contend) and try to retool.

If they play Cleveland close (or beat Cleveland, of course) I think they'll stick with this core.

You are right. They had the 6th best record overall not in the East. My fault read that wrong from an article. Either way,m I still don't think they are a contender.

Dallas may be wanting to move on from Wes this summer, I'd be up for trading Turner for him if that was possible.

Id rather have Turner. He brings play making to the table by being able to drive inside and dish. I also think he is a better defender of larger guards and small forwards. Wes is not. Wes has body,m but not length or quickness to keep up with SF's.
That seems like a lateral move at best.


Alot of you are bringing into the mix guys on pricey salaries. How do you pay for them, how do you get them? They guys I mentioned would help our cap

 

[BlazerCaravan]

My reasoning has always been this:

We have an abundance of shooting guards (Crabbe, Turner, Connaughton (maybe???)

We don't have a really solid small forward or power forward. If we can cash in CJ for a star caliber player at SF or PF, we can slide one of those other schlubs into the starting lineup.

I'm no longer excited about Butler. Why?

His FT Rate is a ridiculously high .540... there's no way on God's green earth that Butler will get that kind of respect as a Blazer. None. No chance. He's more dependent on FTs for his offense than DeRozan. No way in HELL am I going to trade for that guy expecting him to get to the line like he does as a Bull.

 

[GDiama]

If Butler or Porzingis were available for CJ i'd do the trade in half a sec.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If Butler or Porzingis were available for CJ i'd do the trade in half a sec.

Expecting a player to be as good as a Blazer as he was with his former team is the curse of Blazers fans. Harvey Grant and Shareef Abdur Rahim on Lines 1 and 2.

 

[GDiama]

Expecting a player to be as good as a Blazer as he was with his former team is the curse of Blazers fans. Harvey Grant and Shareef Abdur Rahim on Lines 1 and 2.

Butler doesn't have to go to the line so many times to be a better player than CJ. He is a mich better passer and defender. I can accept a little less scoring. He ll still get 20 minimum.

We are talking about a player that is better than Lillard and of course CJ in PER, winshares, value over replacement, plusminus etc.

 

[Natebishop3]

Expecting a player to be as good as a Blazer as he was with his former team is the curse of Blazers fans. Harvey Grant and Shareef Abdur Rahim on Lines 1 and 2.

SAR was just a horrible fit. We tried to plug him in next to ZBO after he had been playing power forward in ATL. It was doomed from the start.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Butler doesn't have to go to the line so many times to be a better player than CJ. He is a mich better passer and defender. I can accept a little less scoring. He ll still get 20 minimum.

We are talking about a player that is better than Lillard and of course CJ in PER, winshares, value over replacement, plusminus etc.

CJ gets 20 minimum now. His PER is astronomical because he gets to the line at a ridiculous rate. If that doesn't happen, his PER tanks. He's a worse shooter than CJ in every aspect, so you better be getting him for his defense, because his offense will suffer as a Blazer.

 

[GDiama]

He has a very good midrange game, its not that he cannot shoot because you present it like he cannot shoot. And going to the line is an offensive ability. He is still one very gifted offensive guy, although CJ is bettet there. But i get him for his overall play which is really better. I think undoubtedly better, at least for non Blazers fans.

And he costs less!

I also laugh at PER tanks! Talk about exaggeration!!

 

[BBert]

Expecting a player to be as good as a Blazer as he was with his former team is the curse of Blazers fans. Harvey Grant and Shareef Abdur Rahim on Lines 1 and 2.

Anyone remember Walter Davis? Played for Phoenix, then Denver. He used to KILL us. Then we traded none other than Drazen Fucking Petrovic for him. And Walter Davis of course SUCKED as a Trail Blazer.

I'm going to crawl into a corner and cry now.

 

[Natebishop3]

Anyone remember Walter Davis? Played for Phoenix, then Denver. He used to KILL us. Then we traded none other than Drazen Fucking Petrovic for him. And Walter Davis of course SUCKED as a Trail Blazer.

I'm going to crawl into a corner and cry now.

Was this back before the Great War?

 

[BBert]

Was this back before the Great War?

We used to run Henry Weinhards down around Saragosa. They was long horns...Or was it short horns...kind of medium sized horns??

 

[Orion Bailey]

Anyone remember Walter Davis? Played for Phoenix, then Denver. He used to KILL us. Then we traded none other than Drazen Fucking Petrovic for him. And Walter Davis of course SUCKED as a Trail Blazer.

I'm going to crawl into a corner and cry now.

But then Nurk sucked at Denver and we traded for him and he became a beast.

I really think situations play a much larger part in performance than actual skill set.

NBA players are all skilled or they wouldn't have made it. But if in the wrong situation, they will fail no matter how good of a skill set. Look at DMC in Sac. Fail.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The Greyhound. Walter Davis. look at his stats one very underrated offensive player for his career. Good pull @BBert

 

[BBert]

Was this back before the Great War?

You mean Desert Storm? Yeah. Before that.

 

[Natebishop3]

You mean Desert Storm? Yeah. Before that.

Is that the one where the North Koreans bombed Pearl Harbor, or the one where the Germans blew up the Maine?

 

[PDXFonz]

Pretty sure The Truth is retiring after this season.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Pretty sure The Truth is retiring after this season.

I know. And I doubt he would go anywhere without Doc.
But man a vet like him on our bench would be great in my opinion.

 

[Schilly]

We have the youngest team in a league that is currently in transition as the last "generation" (30+ yo guys fade) we shouldn't be looking to be closer to that fading generation. The guys we need to look away from IMO are Crabbe and Leonard. This sounds goofy, but I actually would feel more confident with Pat in the game than Crabbe right now. Crabbe is more proven and has 2 seasons of doing so, but Pat does so many more things than Crabbe.

Personally I'm fine with these 6 guys, Dame, CJ, ET, Hark, Vonleh and Nurk. Everyone else is subject for upgrade.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Dame for PorzinGod

Oo

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Dame for PorzinGod

Oo

 

[Natebishop3]

Dame for PorzinGod

Oo

I think you meant to say "CJ".

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think you meant to say "CJ".

Dame for CJ?

I'd make that trade.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Thaddeus Young?

That dude gets traded so often that if Olshey wanted him I'd think he would have had him already.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dame for CJ?

I'd make that trade.

You would trade Dame for CJ if CJ was on another team??!?!?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You would trade Dame for CJ if CJ was on another team??!?!?

No, only if they were both on our team. That would take one of their salaries off our cap because they were traded.

 

[Denny Crane]

Anyone remember Walter Davis? Played for Phoenix, then Denver. He used to KILL us. Then we traded none other than Drazen Fucking Petrovic for him. And Walter Davis of course SUCKED as a Trail Blazer.

I'm going to crawl into a corner and cry now.

Davis was 36 years old by the time he was a Blazer.

The guy was a remarkable shooter and scorer. Along with Westphal, those Phoenix teams had two guys who'd hit 50% of their field goals, which was rare for guards and forwards back then.