Ted Cruz, so whaddya think?

[barfo]

Candidate for president. Discuss.

barfo

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

He's CANADIAN! :MARIS61:

 

[barfo]

He's CANADIAN! :MARIS61:

Eh?

barfo

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Eh?

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

He looks greasy, like a nerdy teenager.

 

[santeesioux]

Nope.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

His last name sounds Mexican so illegals will vote for him.

:MARIS61:

 

[jlprk]

Separated at birth? Ted Cruz looks just like David Ferrie. That pasty washed-out look.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ted+cruz&FORM=HDRSC2

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=david+ferrie&FORM=HDRSC2

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not going to vote for him.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Me neither

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He reminds me of Frank "Ferret Face" Burns from MASH.

 

[donkiez]

I demand to see his birth certificate.

 

[MarAzul]

If my choice is Hillary or Ted Cruz, Teddy is my man! The though of that woman's performance with Benghazi would force me to Attila as a reasonable alternative.
I can't stand the thought of that lady as Commander in Chief.

 

[Denny Crane]

If my choice is Hillary or Ted Cruz, Teddy is my man! The though of that woman's performance with Benghazi would force me to Attila as a reasonable alternative.
I can't stand the thought of that lady as Commander in Chief.

Attila is to the left of you.

 

[speeds]

He's CANADIAN! :MARIS61:

Yeah, sorry about that.

 

[speeds]

The world is on fire!

 

[MarAzul]

I demand to see his birth certificate.

And right you would be, we all should.

"Cruz's parents worked in the oil industry in Calgary, Canada, when he was born. His mother was born in the United States. His father was born in Cuba, but later became a U.S. resident. Cruz argues that because his mother was born in Delaware, he is, in fact, a "natural-born citizen."

"The U.S. Constitution says presidential candidates have to be "natural-born citizens." But the Supreme Court has never weighed in with a definition, leaving it open to interpretation."

However, in my humble opinion, I believe Cruz is a "Natural Born" citizen. The only definition of that term, that I know of, is in The Law of Nation, referred to often by the founders.
The only legislation that uses the term was the 1794 immigration act which would imply that the definition in the Law of Nations was the definition in use. and therefore Canada is the place of
Cruz's birth, not his citizenship. Cruz's father is also a long term US resident. So Natural born he is but not so for Obama who's place of birth is Hawaii as his father never was a resident of the US
long enough to ever be considered a citizen. The Law of Nations would define Obama as a Kenyan born in the US as did British law, a Kenyan by right of decent. A Natural born citizen of Kenya not the US.

The 14th amendment that made all people born in the US, citizens of the US, is rather dumb, but it is the current law. However, it did not endeavor to redefine the term Natural Born Citizen, and
since the courts have never rule on the use of this term, where else could they turn but to the source of the term?

Actually I think Obama's performance in office to date, illustrates precisely why the requirement to be a Natural Born Citizen was specified for the holder of the office of President. The holder of that office must be a citizen with natural feelings of loyalty to this nation and to no other. This is not possible where a person is or also is a citizen of another nation.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...uz-allowed-to-run-since-he-was-born-in-canada

 

[barfo]

So, to sum up, Cruz was born in Canada to a US mother and a foreign father. Therefore you consider him Natural Born.
Obama was born in the US to a US mother and a foreign father. Therefore you consider him not Natural Born.

Interesting.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

So, to sum up, Cruz was born in Canada to a US mother and a foreign father. Therefore you consider him Natural Born.
Obama was born in the US to a US mother and a foreign father. Therefore you consider him not Natural Born.

Interesting.

barfo

Did you read the subject matter in the Law of Nations?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I don't even like Obama but he was born in Hawaii... Which is a US state...Making him a full fledged American. Cruz was born in another country (Not even a US territory). He doesn't deserve to run IMHO.

 

[barfo]

Did you read the subject matter in the Law of Nations?

Yes. If you want to apply the rules as they were in the 1700s, it's simpler. Obama is not a natural born citizen because he's black.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

I don't even like Obama but he was born in Hawaii... Which is a US state...Making him a full fledged American. Cruz was born in another country (Not even a US territory). He doesn't deserve to run IMHO.

full fledged American

The constitution doesn't call for "full fledged" it specifies "Natural Born Citizen".

Here is the quote;
"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President" The only exception to the Natural born was given to the citizen of the US in place before 1787.

So now you need to look the meaning of Natural born. Hint, Birth by Cesarean section is not a disqualifying happenstance.

 

[MarAzul]

black

Wrong, the term Black was not in use yet. No, we are looking to what the Constitutions says, it has not been amended in this area. Nor in this day does it need to be amended
for a Black person to meet requirements for the office if indeed a Natural born citizen of the US.

But you might have deduced this on your own, if you had read the Law of Nations.

 

[e_blazer]

Cruz is the only Repub to announce so far. Can't stand him & won't vote for him.
Hillary hasn't announced, but is the presumptive Dem candidate. Can't stand her and won't vote for her.
So far it sounds like the presidential box may go unmarked on my ballot...assuming Obama doesn't make it mandatory, of course.

 

[MarAzul]

Cruz is the only Repub to announce so far. Can't stand him & won't vote for him.
Hillary hasn't announced, but is the presumptive Dem candidate. Can't stand her and won't vote for her.
So far it sounds like the presidential box may go unmarked on my ballot...assuming Obama doesn't make it mandatory, of course.

Ha! I can't quite see Cruz getting the nod. Just too many people like yourself for him to get though the primary.
Wish I could say the same about Hillary. I think she is it for the Left unless she starts taking so much flack, she quits on her own, for health reasons or what ever.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Ha! I can't quite see Cruz getting the nod. Just too many people like yourself for him to get though the primary.
Wish I could say the same about Hillary. I think she is it for the Left unless she starts taking so much flack, she quits on her own, for health reasons or what ever.

I think Republicans should want Hilary to be the Democrats nominee, she has tons of baggage and she is about as likeable as al-Baghdadi. If the Republicans put out an actually decent candidate it should be an easy victory. A POTUS/VP mix of the following should easily get a Republican in the WH: Walker, Rubio, Paul, Kasich. Just have to avoid the dumbasses like Bush, Perry, Trump, Huckabee, Palin or Santorum like the plague.

 

[barfo]

Wrong, the term Black was not in use yet. No, we are looking to what the Constitutions says, it has not been amended in this area. Nor in this day does it need to be amended
for a Black person to meet requirements for the office if indeed a Natural born citizen of the US.

But you might have deduced this on your own, if you had read the Law of Nations.

I didn't suggest the term Black was in use in the 1700s. I said 'because he's black'.

The discussion is not about what the constitution says (we all agree what words it contains). The discussion we are having is the meaning of 'Natural born'. You claim that we should look to the intent of the framers to decide who is 'natural born'. The intent of the framers was certainly to exclude blacks and women from being president (and probably jews, catholics, irishmen, indians, gays, and who knows what else).

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Exclude pirates for sure.

 

[Further]

Personally I would have no problem with the rules being changed to allow non-natural born citizens to be be pres, but as it stands now I would consider Cruz to be non-naturalized. I don't like him, I wont vote for him, but I would support an amendment which would allow him to run, like 35 years as a citizen or something like that. And then I'd vote for someone else.

 

[MarAzul]

The intent of the framers was certainly to exclude blacks and women from being president (and probably jews, catholics, irishmen, indians, gays, and who knows what else).

Well, I don't understand the meaning of Natural Born to make any of the exclusions you seem to suggest. Perhaps the meaning as defined in the Law of Nations would not be the popular
choice with today's population, but there is no other unless someone pull one out of no where. My take is that an amendment should be made to clarify just what the requirement is for President.