Ten reasons why we don't want to trade for DeMarcus Cousins

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BonesJones said:
He was consistent all of last year when he shot 42% from three, way better efficiency than any of Lillards years.
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You speak as if it's certain, without offering evidence. The field of statistics has ways to measure consistency. Do you have one to show, or is this just your subjective feeling? I know of no site that does this for basketball, but if you have one, I'm interested.
 
Dougnsalem said:
You have a valid point, after watching our game against the Clippers. I don't enjoy watching players act like that though. I want to see them man up, and earn their millions by playing hard, and being accountable if they foul someone. Not get touched, and then flop.



If they're on our team, or not....
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It's that what plays during labitch's introductions
 
I have no problem with a guy being emotional and passionate. My problem with Cousins is that I have seen him a couple times when he just seems to quit midgame.
 
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I don't give a crap how good the guy is....
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Alot of poeple think its because he is on a perenial losing teasm with a shit management. If I had the talents he does and they were being wasted away on a shit team like this, I would throw fits until they trade me too.

Sometimes, when a player has had it, they have had it.

There are also some pics of him sitting next to Dame and small talking. There are also clips and pics of him standing up to the likes of the cp3's of the NBA.

I dont know for sure, but I think he might be the most disgruntled/missunderstood player in the NBA.
I would certainly sit him down and have a few long conversations to see where his head is at prior to going deep into a trade offer though.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I have no problem with a guy being emotional and passionate. My problem with Cousins is that I have seen him a couple times when he just seems to quit midgame.
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Hard to keep playing hard for an organization when you feel like they have already quit on you though
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I have no problem with a guy being emotional and passionate. My problem with Cousins is that I have seen him a couple times when he just seems to quit midgame.
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Orion Bailey said:
Hard to keep playing hard for an organization when you feel like they have already quit on you though
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yea when a team sucks that bad, and equally so does the organization, its gotta be a hard thing to deal with. you guys act like you have never had a shit job, or just hated your job no matter how good it might be in other peoples eyes. your surroundings severely effect your performance.
 
Taking a chance that we can change his habits is no riskier than drafting a top-3 college player, hoping to bring him up to speed in a year.
 
BonesJones said:
DeAndre's a whiner partly because of the team he plays for. And I think we need more whiners because we seem to just allow refs to fuck us with no complaint.
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Sigh... This notion really needs to die.
Complaining gets you nowhere. It only annoys the refs. Newsflash:

Referees don't want ANY conversation about their call.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
For me it not about having DMC on the team, it'a about what you give up to get him. He would make us better if we still had a team left to surround him. I think he would thrive in a winning environment with Dame AND CJ. But he has also showed he is no super star. He can't carry a team on his own. Not many centers can these days. So any trade offers for him has to make sense on our end. Don't gamble away our future for him or it will bite us in the ass. He is not dependable enough. In other words No CJ or Dame in the trade. If Sac laughs at us......so be it.
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I've been on the DMC train for a while, but I 100% agree with this and would even take it a step further. I wouldn't include Vonleh in the trade at this point.

I like DMC, but he's not as great as we make him out to be. He's a C with all sorts of offensive skills, but has never cracked 50% FG%. For me, 50% is kind of a threshold for players who are supposedly elite PFs/Cs. In this regard he's a little to LA for my taste. I don't really like advanced stats all that much, as there's too much mud in the water, but his DRTG is only nominally better than Plumlee's. So, it's not like DMC is truly an elite player on either end of the floor. With that said, I do think his efficiency would improve if he were ever on a good team - but to date he's never shown that he can be an efficient player.

For those reasons, and many more, I would only make a limited trade package for him. And as I've said in other threads, I don't think we'd be bidding against very many teams. SAC will have to trade him for a mediocre package or lose him for nothing. I think a mediocre package of Aminu/Meyers/Turner/pick for DMC/Gay would be fair value at this point. Perhaps the Lakers beat that bid with Randle, or BOS beats it with whatever it is they have, but there really aren't many realistic suitors that we need to worry about. I certainly wouldn't increase our bid by decimating our roster for DMC. Not when there's the possibility of getting Noel on the cheap, or just waiting to see how we fare as Vonleh develops and Ezeli gets back on the floor.

So, count me in for DMC - but only at a limited price.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I have no problem with a guy being emotional and passionate. My problem with Cousins is that I have seen him a couple times when he just seems to quit midgame.
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Exhale. Breathe. I'll try to be gentle....

Year after freaking year, DMC has gotten almost no help. They've obtained hasbeens on the cheap, and it hasn't worked. I think he's been WAY, WAY more patient than I would have, and probably you, too.

You think the he's quit on the franchise? I think the franchise has quit on him - over and over again.

Don't believe me? Here's the current Kings roster:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/2017.html

There are FOUR listed centers, and that doesn't count Skal and Tolliver. WTF? Now, after clicking on the link, click near the top on "Previous Year" - do it several times, each time saying to yourself "which of Boogie's teammates would start on the current Blazers team?" Answer: probably zero (MAYYYYYBE Gay) - and we're talking about a team that has had lottery picks each year, for-practically-ever. All those lottery picks, and you still can't identify a guy clearly better than Aminu?

The Kings Really Suck. Vlade Really, Really Sucks. The Owner? We need exponential notation to explain how much he sucks - probably Really^4 Sucks. They've had some good coaches and second guessed each one. The players they've drafted suck. The players they've traded for suck.

Thank you for letting me get that out of my system. I am SOOOOOOOOO happy that I am a Blazer fan, right now - especially if the alternative is being a Kings fan.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
In the real world you would be correct, but in the NBA it is proven to be effective.

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Orion Bailey said:
This call may just force a few changes...and shows it is OBVIOUS that complaining works.
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I'm sure it's effective on some refs, but certainly not all.
She made a mistake on that play regardless what happened earlier in the game.
(I believe being a basketball fan that she was horrible the whole game... missing obvious calls on both sides. Calls that were technically her calls to make...)
I personally don't want to watch Blazer players or coaches complain the whole game. Off and on sure. But especially during the Clipper game Portland complained too much. Stotts wants to run miss or make... couldn't do that because players were complaining bringing the ball up the court. Stotts was complaining instead of doing his patented windmill.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
There are FOUR listed centers, and that doesn't count Skal and Tolliver. WTF? Now, after clicking on the link, click near the top on "Previous Year" - do it several times, each time saying to yourself "which of Boogie's teammates would start on the current Blazers team?" Answer: probably zero (MAYYYYYBE Gay) - and we're talking about a team that has had lottery picks each year, for-practically-ever. All those lottery picks, and you still can't identify a guy clearly better than Aminu?
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Yeah 4 centers certainly gives the impression they are preparing for life after Boogie. Unless they see him as a scoring PF.
And yes they went young again by trading Bellinelli for rookie Malachi Richardson. I can see why he was frustrated.
No way Boogie stays with Sac long term. If they are out of it by February they need to move him and Gay. PF and SF seem to be their biggest needs.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Hard to keep playing hard for an organization when you feel like they have already quit on you though
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This is his 7th season in the league. It's not like these problems just started showing up after years of losing. He's been a head case from day 1. Back then the excuse was he's young and immature. He'll grow out of it. Well, seven years later, same old shit. Already fined $25K this season for his latest temper tantrum. Couldn't even make it through three games without a meltdown.

Yeah, SAC is a fucked up organization, but at some point, when your team underachieves year after year, under different owners, different GMs, different coaches and differenct teammates, and you're the best player on the team, the franchise cornerstone, you need to look in the mirror and get your shit together. He constantly butts heads with his coaches, the refs, his GMs and throws his teammates under the bus.

Would a change of scenery do him good? Probably, if he goes to the right situation, with the right leader. He'd be great in CLE, because LeBron wouldn't put up with his shit. Same in SAS with Pop. Could Lillard rein him in? Hard to say, but I would not blow up the entire team to get a chronic malcontent. Cousins is clearly not a leader. The question is, can he be a good follower? It's yet to be seen.

BNM
 
Jordan punched teammates, Rodman was enigmatic at best, Kobe was a general pain in the azz, Draymond Green kicks people in the Nic Batum's, ....the list is endless of high performing stars doing things fans (or other team's fans) didn't like.

But do they wan to win? That is the over riding question. Some people would throw their grandma from a train for a title. Not the most social acceptable way of dealing with one's elderly relatives but certainly the attitude you want when trying to reach an elusive title. Tim Duncan never rarely agreed with a foul call and was often whining or giving a total disbelief face to the refs. (If he did rarely agree, he just raised his hand and walked away). LeBron James got in his coaches face multiple times.....again, not desirable but you have to like the outcome.

I'm no looking for a choir boy and for me, too many Blazer fans want a team of super nice guys who all get along and are friendly with their kids at every turn while being a spotless role model. Personally, I think this team could use a little attitude. Someone that wouldn't take crap from teams like the Clippers, Rockets Thunder and Warriors.

Sounds right up DMC's alley.
 
Boob-No-More said:
This is his 7th season in the league. It's not like these problems just started showing up after years of losing. He's been a head case from day 1. Back then the excuse was he's young and immature. He'll grow out of it. Well, seven years later, same old shit. Already fined $25K this season for his latest temper tantrum. Couldn't even make it through three games without a meltdown.

Yeah, SAC is a fucked up organization, but at some point, when your team underachieves year after year, under different owners, different GMs, different coaches and differenct teammates, and you're the best player on the team, the franchise cornerstone, you need to look in the mirror and get your shit together. He constantly butts heads with his coaches, the refs, his GMs and throws his teammates under the bus.

Would a change of scenery do him good? Probably, if he goes to the right situation, with the right leader. He'd be great in CLE, because LeBron wouldn't put up with his shit. Same in SAS with Pop. Could Lillard rein him in? Hard to say, but I would not blow up the entire team to get a chronic malcontent. Cousins is clearly not a leader. The question is, can he be a good follower? It's yet to be seen.

BNM
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Read above ^^^^^ ;)
 
To be fair, it is very difficult to judge anything that comes out of the dysfunctional franchise that is the Kings. Outside of Petrie/Adelman, it has been a disaster since they moved from Kansas City.
 
TBpup said:
Jordan punched teammates, Rodman was enigmatic at best, Kobe was a general pain in the azz, Draymond Green kicks people in the Nic Batum's, ....the list is endless of high performing stars doing things fans (or other team's fans) didn't like.

But do they wan to win? That is the over riding question. Some people would throw their grandma from a train for a title. Not the most social acceptable way of dealing with one's elderly relatives but certainly the attitude you want when trying to reach an elusive title. Tim Duncan never rarely agreed with a foul call and was often whining or giving a total disbelief face to the refs. (If he did rarely agree, he just raised his hand and walked away). LeBron James got in his coaches face multiple times.....again, not desirable but you have to like the outcome.

I'm no looking for a choir boy and for me, too many Blazer fans want a team of super nice guys who all get along and are friendly with their kids at every turn while being a spotless role model. Personally, I think this team could use a little attitude. Someone that wouldn't take crap from teams like the Clippers, Rockets Thunder and Warriors.

Sounds right up DMC's alley.
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How many of those players were suspended by their own team for conduct detrimental to the team? Cousins has been multiple times, under different coaches and GMs.

Wanting to win and behaving like a petulant child are not one and the same.

BNM
 
TBpup said:
To be fair, it is very difficult to judge anything that comes out of the dysfunctional franchise that is the Kings. Outside of Petrie/Adelman, it has been a disaster since they moved from Kansas City.
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After seven years, with different owners, different coaches, different GMs, different teammates, different referees, you have to ask: is DeMarcus Cousins a victim or part of that dysfunction?

DeMarcus Cousins seems to be the one common denominators in all of DeMarcus Cousins' problems. Instead of constantly blaming others for his failures, maybe he should grow up and start accepting his share of that responsibility.

BNM
 
Rodman was suspended multiple times. Whether that was by the team or the league doesn't really matter to me. Also, back then it wasn't such a PC world where everything offended everyone else. Green was also suspended and cost his team a title.

I'm not saying I advocate such behavior but I'm not against someone being on the team that has a little attitude. It's one of the big things missing on this team.
 
I think Dame could rein DC in, so I'd love DC in Portland.

Man, wouldn't a Sheed look so good on this team right now? An unselfish (as far as the ball goes) top-tier PF that can't be stopped if he doesn't want to be.
 
TBpup said:
Rodman was suspended multiple times. Whether that was by the team or the league doesn't really matter to me. Also, back then it wasn't such a PC world where everything offended everyone else. Green was also suspended and cost his team a title.

I'm not saying I advocate such behavior but I'm not against someone being on the team that has a little attitude. It's one of the big things missing on this team.
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To me, there's a fundamental difference between being suspended by the league and being suspended by your own team. The league suspends you because you harm others with your behavior (Rodman kicking a photographer, Green for groping an opponent). When your own team suspends you, that means they think your behavior is harming your own team.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
This is his 7th season in the league. It's not like these problems just started showing up after years of losing. He's been a head case from day 1. Back then the excuse was he's young and immature. He'll grow out of it. Well, seven years later, same old shit. Already fined $25K this season for his latest temper tantrum. Couldn't even make it through three games without a meltdown.

Yeah, SAC is a fucked up organization, but at some point, when your team underachieves year after year, under different owners, different GMs, different coaches and differenct teammates, and you're the best player on the team, the franchise cornerstone, you need to look in the mirror and get your shit together. He constantly butts heads with his coaches, the refs, his GMs and throws his teammates under the bus.

Would a change of scenery do him good? Probably, if he goes to the right situation, with the right leader. He'd be great in CLE, because LeBron wouldn't put up with his shit. Same in SAS with Pop. Could Lillard rein him in? Hard to say, but I would not blow up the entire team to get a chronic malcontent. Cousins is clearly not a leader. The question is, can he be a good follower? It's yet to be seen.

BNM
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His problems are fantastic because they're an opportunity. You think we could get Anthony Davis? No Freaking Way. Do you think we could get Cousins? Maybe, just maybe. That's how you win in this league. You augment your good team with players who some have question marks about, and capitalize. This is how we got:
Wes
Rolo
Robinson
CJ
Aminu
Harkless,
and more.
Even players we drafted like Batum and Roy, really.

There are plenty who know more about the Bulls than I do, but they underpaid for Rodman, Pippen, and Kerr, off the top of my head. I'm sure Denny could add more names. They were notorious for being cheap.

The only players we really paid full price on were LMA, Oden, Crabbe, ET.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
His problems are fantastic because they're an opportunity. You think we could get Anthony Davis? No Freaking Way. Do you think we could get Cousins? Maybe, just maybe. That's how you win in this league. You augment your good team with players who some have question marks about, and capitalize. This is how we got:
Wes
Rolo
Robinson
CJ
Aminu
Harkless,
and more.
Even players we drafted like Batum and Roy, really.

There are plenty who know more about the Bulls than I do, but they underpaid for Rodman, Pippen, and Kerr, off the top of my head. I'm sure Denny could add more names. They were notorious for being cheap.

The only players we really paid full price on were LMA, Oden, Crabbe, ET.
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^This guy gets it.
Look at GSW too with Livingston,Barbosa,Speights.
 
Lillard is a fantastic leader, that's part of the value that he brings to the Blazers. It's not just stats, it's also being the alpha. Carmello puts up great stats but he's not a leader like Lillard. Cousins is similar to Rodman, without a strong leader he's a nut case, with a strong leader he's a great player and teammate.

I would trade for Cousins because I believe in Lillard.
 
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