Terry: I would like to freshen up offense

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dviss1 said:
Not on defense...
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Possibly. He'd likely be expending less energy on the offensive end, potentially allowing him to increase his defensive intensity. Still, if he were as effective as he currently is on offense, plus a 5+ apg passer, I'd live with CJ's defensive deficiencies.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Possibly. He'd likely be expending less energy on the offensive end, potentially allowing him to increase his defensive intensity. Still, if he were as effective as he currently is on offense, plus a 5+ apg passer, I'd live with CJ's defensive deficiencies.
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Driving the lane, drawing and kicking uses the same energy as driving and shooting. If not, the difference in energy expenditure is negligible. I'm not sure how that's going to increase the amount of energy he'll have on defense.
 
It's good to know that Terry recognizes some of the problems we have on offense. I wasn't sure if he did or not. While I agree with his assessment I think it will be difficult to fix without personnel changes. Zach needs to step up and improve the 4 spot. Moe needs to be consistently good at the 3. If those things happen our offense will improve.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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That was such a fun day...
 
So basically everything I've been asking for for years... haha.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
I would still look at team assists since the statistical assist is flawed.

Example, say CJ draws a double team. Noticing there is a mismatch he passes but it takes a couple more passes until the easy basket is made. Cj should get credit (and does in the Blazer internal stats) for drawing the double team as well as passing. The ordinary assist only recognizes the last person to pass.
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Then you use the eye test. The eye test says that CJ's eyes have tunnel vision.
 
It's not even about "more assists for player A"... It's about more passing as a team, less dribbling. Passing creates open threes and driving lines (which collapse the defense and creates passing lanes to open guys who have open 3s or driving lan3s, etc.).

Last year, we had a ton of isolation resulting in contested mid-range jumpshots. A Turner fall away mid range jumper with a hand in his face and more than 5 seconds on the shotclock is a horrible shot. Too much of it from CJ and Shabazz, as well as Dame a little bit. Even Aminu isolated at times, which should never, EVER happen.
 
Reading the tea leaves here after listening to Stotts--the one guy who wasn't mentioned at all was Evan Turner. Even Meyers Leonard got a mention, and yet our leading bench player, who put in over 2000 minutes last year, who was the 4th leading mpg guy in our first round sweep, who is our 3rd highest paid player, wasn't discussed at all.

I really think the disastrous flameout in the playoffs will put a nail in the coffin of Evan Turner as a key bench guy. It wasn't just last year--he's at .377 FG% for his career in the playoffs. 2.7 assists/game in the playoffs on 29mpg, vs 3.5 in the regular season on 28 mpg. That's over 47 playoff games, so the sample size is pretty valid. Defenses don't have to respect him, and when you have a seven game series you game plan for him not to score, which is one reason Dame was swarmed so much. We just can't afford to make him a key part of our regular season just to see him fall apart in the playoffs like he has every year of his career.

I think he's a lot like Meyers Leonard in this respect. He no longer has skills that fit into the modern NBA. He's a massive contract guy who you throw in situationally, but you have to move on with your team playing style. We owe him $36m for the next two years, so he's not going anywhere. But it seems like the front office brought in four guys who can all shoot (Baldwin, Curry, Grant, Simons), which Terry did address in the interview. The handwriting is on the wall for Turner.
 
Adding on to my point, the key item that seemed to weigh most on Stotts' mind was maintaining defensive quality while improving the offense. He specifically cited Nurkic as the linchpin for our defensive improvement. I wonder if he unintentionally spilled a little of his own thought process here: "Turner is a decent, experienced defender, and Harkless has provided quality defense too. But both guys left me high and dry in the playoffs, and if it happens again I'm almost certainly out of a job. Can I give up on those two and throw more minutes at the new guys, who almost certainly aren't as good at defending, and hope Nurk and maybe Collins clean up the messes? Between these 4 guys and Dame and CJ, we might even compete with the Rockets on who shoots the most threes per game. But I don't get there with Mo and Turner."

I'm probably reading too much into this interview. But I hope not.
 
mook said:
Reading the tea leaves here after listening to Stotts--the one guy who wasn't mentioned at all was Evan Turner. Even Meyers Leonard got a mention, and yet our leading bench player, who put in over 2000 minutes last year, who was the 4th leading mpg guy in our first round sweep, who is our 3rd highest paid player, wasn't discussed at all.

I really think the disastrous flameout in the playoffs will put a nail in the coffin of Evan Turner as a key bench guy. It wasn't just last year--he's at .377 FG% for his career in the playoffs. 2.7 assists/game in the playoffs on 29mpg, vs 3.5 in the regular season on 28 mpg. That's over 47 playoff games, so the sample size is pretty valid. Defenses don't have to respect him, and when you have a seven game series you game plan for him not to score, which is one reason Dame was swarmed so much. We just can't afford to make him a key part of our regular season just to see him fall apart in the playoffs like he has every year of his career.

I think he's a lot like Meyers Leonard in this respect. He no longer has skills that fit into the modern NBA. He's a massive contract guy who you throw in situationally, but you have to move on with your team playing style. We owe him $36m for the next two years, so he's not going anywhere. But it seems like the front office brought in four guys who can all shoot (Baldwin, Curry, Grant, Simons), which Terry did address in the interview. The handwriting is on the wall for Turner.
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I think there's a chance Trent beats him out for minutes.
 
mook said:
Reading the tea leaves here after listening to Stotts--the one guy who wasn't mentioned at all was Evan Turner. Even Meyers Leonard got a mention, and yet our leading bench player, who put in over 2000 minutes last year, who was the 4th leading mpg guy in our first round sweep, who is our 3rd highest paid player, wasn't discussed at all.

I really think the disastrous flameout in the playoffs will put a nail in the coffin of Evan Turner as a key bench guy. It wasn't just last year--he's at .377 FG% for his career in the playoffs. 2.7 assists/game in the playoffs on 29mpg, vs 3.5 in the regular season on 28 mpg. That's over 47 playoff games, so the sample size is pretty valid. Defenses don't have to respect him, and when you have a seven game series you game plan for him not to score, which is one reason Dame was swarmed so much. We just can't afford to make him a key part of our regular season just to see him fall apart in the playoffs like he has every year of his career.

I think he's a lot like Meyers Leonard in this respect. He no longer has skills that fit into the modern NBA. He's a massive contract guy who you throw in situationally, but you have to move on with your team playing style. We owe him $36m for the next two years, so he's not going anywhere. But it seems like the front office brought in four guys who can all shoot (Baldwin, Curry, Grant, Simons), which Terry did address in the interview. The handwriting is on the wall for Turner.
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Man, I hope you're right!
 
mook said:
Reading the tea leaves here after listening to Stotts--the one guy who wasn't mentioned at all was Evan Turner. Even Meyers Leonard got a mention, and yet our leading bench player, who put in over 2000 minutes last year, who was the 4th leading mpg guy in our first round sweep, who is our 3rd highest paid player, wasn't discussed at all.

I really think the disastrous flameout in the playoffs will put a nail in the coffin of Evan Turner as a key bench guy. It wasn't just last year--he's at .377 FG% for his career in the playoffs. 2.7 assists/game in the playoffs on 29mpg, vs 3.5 in the regular season on 28 mpg. That's over 47 playoff games, so the sample size is pretty valid. Defenses don't have to respect him, and when you have a seven game series you game plan for him not to score, which is one reason Dame was swarmed so much. We just can't afford to make him a key part of our regular season just to see him fall apart in the playoffs like he has every year of his career.

I think he's a lot like Meyers Leonard in this respect. He no longer has skills that fit into the modern NBA. He's a massive contract guy who you throw in situationally, but you have to move on with your team playing style. We owe him $36m for the next two years, so he's not going anywhere. But it seems like the front office brought in four guys who can all shoot (Baldwin, Curry, Grant, Simons), which Terry did address in the interview. The handwriting is on the wall for Turner.
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Is it? Since then Stotts or NO (can’t remember) said they wanted to play through Turner more. I think the heavy guard acquisition is more or less they need bench scoring and they want to find someone to make it so they can trade CJ.

I hope you’re right but I think we’re stuck seeing a lot of ET until the contract is up.
 
BonesJones said:
It's not even about "more assists for player A"... It's about more passing as a team, less dribbling. Passing creates open threes and driving lines (which collapse the defense and creates passing lanes to open guys who have open 3s or driving lan3s, etc.).

Last year, we had a ton of isolation resulting in contested mid-range jumpshots. A Turner fall away mid range jumper with a hand in his face and more than 5 seconds on the shotclock is a horrible shot. Too much of it from CJ and Shabazz, as well as Dame a little bit. Even Aminu isolated at times, which should never, EVER happen.
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CJ over dribbles a lot though. Our rule on offense is 2 dribbles to score. CJ screws that up regularly. If he would move the ball after his second dribble he'd get more assists.
 
dviss1 said:
CJ over dribbles a lot though. Our rule on offense is 2 dribbles to score. CJ screws that up regularly. If he would move the ball after his second dribble he'd get more assists.
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My coach back at George Middle school a long freaking time ago, told me you dribble with purpose. If they don’t fall for the first move you pass the ball, you’ll eventually get it back to try again. Now I have my doubts he was prepping us for NBA basketball, but the odd times I played off the ball the rest of my life that’s how I’ve played.
 
Did any of the Celtics from that team go on to be decent players somewhere else?

Avery Bradley was worse in Detroit.

Isaiah Thomas was a disaster in Cleveland and LA.

Evan Turner is..... well...... we already know.

Jared Sullinger is out of the league.

Crowder was significantly worse.

I think Brad Stevens is some kind of magician or something.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did any of the Celtics from that team go on to be decent players somewhere else?

Avery Bradley was worse in Detroit.

Isaiah Thomas was a disaster in Cleveland and LA.

Evan Turner is..... well...... we already know.

Jared Sullinger is out of the league.

Crowder was significantly worse.

I think Brad Stevens is some kind of magician or something.
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My buddy and I were talking about this. Stevens gets players paid.
 
mook said:
Reading the tea leaves here after listening to Stotts--the one guy who wasn't mentioned at all was Evan Turner. Even Meyers Leonard got a mention, and yet our leading bench player, who put in over 2000 minutes last year, who was the 4th leading mpg guy in our first round sweep, who is our 3rd highest paid player, wasn't discussed at all.

I really think the disastrous flameout in the playoffs will put a nail in the coffin of Evan Turner as a key bench guy. It wasn't just last year--he's at .377 FG% for his career in the playoffs. 2.7 assists/game in the playoffs on 29mpg, vs 3.5 in the regular season on 28 mpg. That's over 47 playoff games, so the sample size is pretty valid. Defenses don't have to respect him, and when you have a seven game series you game plan for him not to score, which is one reason Dame was swarmed so much. We just can't afford to make him a key part of our regular season just to see him fall apart in the playoffs like he has every year of his career.

I think he's a lot like Meyers Leonard in this respect. He no longer has skills that fit into the modern NBA. He's a massive contract guy who you throw in situationally, but you have to move on with your team playing style. We owe him $36m for the next two years, so he's not going anywhere. But it seems like the front office brought in four guys who can all shoot (Baldwin, Curry, Grant, Simons), which Terry did address in the interview. The handwriting is on the wall for Turner.
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Buyout?

Possible?

#letuspray
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think we already established that Dame is better than Kyrie :smiley-195517897341
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Think Kyrie has more skill. He's got the best handle in the game, but Dame is more methodical and efficient in his movement. He doesn't waste any dribbles either. Dame has the better intangibles too, but overall I see their impact as very comparable.

But you bring up a good point. 7th year for Dame with Terry-- I wonder if we've maxed the duo. I'd like to see Dame under a diff coach.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Think Kyrie has more skill. He's got the best handle in the game, but Dame is more methodical and efficient in his movement. He doesn't waste any dribbles either. Dame has the better intangibles too, but overall I see their impact as very comparable.

But you bring up a good point. 7th year for Dame with Terry-- I wonder if we've maxed the duo. I'd like to see Dame under a diff coach.
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I get that Paul's money isn't really a huge advantage anymore with the CBA, but I have never understood why we don't have literally the best staff money can buy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I get that Paul's money isn't really a huge advantage anymore with the CBA, but I have never understood why we don't have literally the best staff money can buy.
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Well for one, Paul is no longer the richest owner. And he clearly is no longer spending like mad.

My biggest gripe with the coaching thing is our big man coaches. They're all terrible and have a shit track record.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Well for one, Paul is no longer the richest owner. And he clearly is no longer spending like mad.

My biggest gripe with the coaching thing is our big man coaches. They're all terrible and have a shit track record.
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It's pretty meaningless when you're a billionaire 21 times over.

Spending money on great staff would be easy for him.
 
dviss1 said:
It's pretty meaningless when you're a billionaire 21 times over.

Spending money on great staff would be easy for him.
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He could purchase Ford, GM & Chrysler with pocket change.
 
I think he watch the summer league team how they play up tempo and how the ball movement and they was successful in it by winning the championship. But the question is can Stotts get Dame and CJ play that kind of ball.
 
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